"Jim" wrote in message news:qVAgc.1828
Poll results

The Progress Report asked its readers (you may recall) to help President
Bush name his biggest national security mistake since taking office.
22,000
responses later, the results a

This "poll" shows nothing more than the power of repetitive media
pronouncements to influence public opinion.



1. Invading Iraq without a plan for the aftermath, 34.09%

Insisting that there was "no plan" is foolish and presumptuous. Of course
there was a plan. Neither does observing that the original plan has not
worked particularly well require a great degree of astutness.

2. Focusing on missile defense while ignoring repeated warnings of an
imminent al Qaeda attack before 9/11, 32.55%

There were no "...repeated warnings of an imminent al Qaeda attack before
9/11..."


3. Telling the American people that Iraq definitely possessed WMD, 26.34%

Iraq *did* possess B & C weapons, and *did* have a nuclear program aborning.


4. Failing to send U.S. troops into Tora Bora to capture Osama bin Laden
in
November 2001, 5%

This truly was a tactical mistake -- no way around that. Telling that only
5% recognize it as such.

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:57:41 -0400, John Gaquin
wrote:


"Jim" wrote in message news:qVAgc.1828
Poll results

The Progress Report asked its readers (you may recall) to help President
Bush name his biggest national security mistake since taking office.
22,000
responses later, the results a

This "poll" shows nothing more than the power of repetitive media
pronouncements to influence public opinion.

Did you respond?



1. Invading Iraq without a plan for the aftermath, 34.09%

Insisting that there was "no plan" is foolish and presumptuous. Of
course
there was a plan. Neither does observing that the original plan has not
worked particularly well require a great degree of astutness.

Yep as I recall the "plan?" was that our guys would be greated with food
and flowers -- Bushes wet dream

2. Focusing on missile defense while ignoring repeated warnings of an
imminent al Qaeda attack before 9/11, 32.55%

There were no "...repeated warnings of an imminent al Qaeda attack before
9/11..."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...d=513&ncid=716

Excerpt:
The CIA warned as early as 1995 that Islamic extremists were likely to
attack U.S. aviation,
Washington landmarks or Wall Street and by 1997 had identified Osama bin
Laden as an
emerging threat on U.S. soil, a senior intelligence official said
Thursday.

The report specifically warned that civil aviation, Washington landmarks
such as the White House
and Capitol and buildings on Wall Street were at the greatest risk of a
domestic terror attack
by Muslim extremists, the official said.


3. Telling the American people that Iraq definitely possessed WMD,
26.34%

Iraq *did* possess B & C weapons, and *did* have a nuclear program
aborning.

All past tense.


4. Failing to send U.S. troops into Tora Bora to capture Osama bin Laden
in
November 2001, 5%

This truly was a tactical mistake -- no way around that. Telling that
only
5% recognize it as such.

You forgot #5
5. Disparaging Army Gen. Eric K. Shinseki when he said more troops would be
needed in Iraq, 1.71%

So now he (bush) has extended to duty of 20,000 troops




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Jim

"Jim" wrote in message

Yep as I recall the "plan?" was that our guys would be greated with food
and flowers -- Bushes wet dream

No, that's not, and never was, "the plan". That's a high-school level
attempt at clever snideness. And it doesn't work.



http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...on_go_ot/sept_
11_cia_warnings&cid=513&ncid=716

Excerpt:
The CIA warned as early as 1995

Two or three generic warnings, several years ago and some years apart, that
some or particular muslim terrorists might, at some time or other, want to
attack highly symbolic American targets, or hijack American airplanes, does
*not* constitute "...repeated warnings of an imminent al Qaeda attack...".
That level of prescience can be had at any working-man's breakfast coffee
shop.




3. Telling the American people that Iraq definitely possessed WMD,
26.34%

Iraq *did* possess B & C weapons, and *did* have a nuclear program
aborning.

All past tense.

So what? The last best intelligence is all anyone can go by. We know they
had them. We know they used them. These are documented facts, and they are
incontrovertible.


You forgot #5
5. Disparaging Army Gen. Eric K. Shinseki when he said more troops would
be needed in Iraq, 1.71%

I didn't forget, I ignored. Less than 2% thought it was a big mistake, and
I agree. Shinseki shouldn't have publicly dissed his boss, and W shouldn't
have publicly dealt with it.


So now he (bush) has extended to duty of 20,000 troops

Shinseki had a 50% chance of being right. No one really knew. Remember
Winston Churchill's quote.

last item. in future, please respond on the NG only.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"Jim" wrote in message

Yep as I recall the "plan?" was that our guys would be greated with
food
and flowers -- Bushes wet dream

No, that's not, and never was, "the plan". That's a high-school level
attempt at clever snideness. And it doesn't work.

OK -- Since YOU seem to be privy to "THE PLAN" -- educate us as to Just what
it was/is please.




http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...on_go_ot/sept_
11_cia_warnings&cid=513&ncid=716

Excerpt:
The CIA warned as early as 1995

Two or three generic warnings, several years ago and some years apart,
that
some or particular muslim terrorists might, at some time or other, want to
attack highly symbolic American targets, or hijack American airplanes,
does
*not* constitute "...repeated warnings of an imminent al Qaeda attack...".
That level of prescience can be had at any working-man's breakfast coffee
shop.

Umnnnnn -- lots more than 2-3 -- sometimes more than that per day -- didn't
you watch Fr. Rice?




3. Telling the American people that Iraq definitely possessed WMD,
26.34%

Iraq *did* possess B & C weapons, and *did* have a nuclear program
aborning.

All past tense.

So what? The last best intelligence is all anyone can go by. We know
they
had them. We know they used them. These are documented facts, and they
are
incontrovertible.

We knew he had them because we sold them to him (wonder if the check was
good?) He was ordered to get rid of them, and all evidence to date indicates
that he did


You forgot #5
5. Disparaging Army Gen. Eric K. Shinseki when he said more troops would
be needed in Iraq, 1.71%

I didn't forget, I ignored. Less than 2% thought it was a big mistake,
and
I agree. Shinseki shouldn't have publicly dissed his boss, and W
shouldn't
have publicly dealt with it.


So now he (bush) has extended to duty of 20,000 troops

Shinseki had a 50% chance of being right. No one really knew. Remember
Winston Churchill's quote.

Shinseki was in the field risking his ass -- Bush was probably golfing or
fishing or something. Who has a better picture?

last item. in future, please respond on the NG only.

"Jim" wrote in message news:cfEgc.2026

OK -- Since YOU seem to be privy to "THE PLAN" -- educate us as to Just
what
it was/is please.

I never said I was privy to any plan. I merely pointed out that the notion
that an army of 150,000 would have no plan for occupying captured territory
is ludicrous on its face, notwithstanding what you read in The Guardian.
The fact that a plan is not working is not prima facie evidence that no plan
exists.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"Jim" wrote in message news:cfEgc.2026

OK -- Since YOU seem to be privy to "THE PLAN" -- educate us as to Just
what
it was/is please.

I never said I was privy to any plan. I merely pointed out that the
notion
that an army of 150,000 would have no plan for occupying captured
territory
is ludicrous on its face, notwithstanding what you read in The Guardian.
The fact that a plan is not working is not prima facie evidence that no
plan
exists.


So if I understand you, There was a plan nobody knows what it is, but it's
not working?

Yep -- sounds like Bush

"Jim" wrote in message news:Q9Mgc.1907

So if I understand you, There was a plan nobody knows what it is, but it's
not working?


Not *quite* right. Take out your spin, and you have "There was a plan, but
it's
not working". They are improvising and adapting. This is not at all
unusual in combat. Most often it is the norm.

John Gaquin wrote:

That's a high-school level
attempt at clever snideness. And it doesn't work.

Didn't work for you 4 days ago in this same thread.
You must have missed the second link in the original post.

Help him remember by voting here.
http://www.americanprogress.org/site...RJ8OVF&b=45639

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John Gaquin wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message news:qVAgc.1828

Poll results

The Progress Report asked its readers (you may recall) to help President
Bush name his biggest national security mistake since taking office.

22,000

responses later, the results a


This "poll" shows nothing more than the power of repetitive media
pronouncements to influence public opinion.

this poll and others show that the public finally is beginning to
realize Bush is full of crap, naive and liar.





1. Invading Iraq without a plan for the aftermath, 34.09%


Insisting that there was "no plan" is foolish and presumptuous. Of course
there was a plan. Neither does observing that the original plan has not
worked particularly well require a great degree of astutness.


What was that plan? Oh...our troops would be met with gifts of flowers
and virgins, or some nonsense.




2. Focusing on missile defense while ignoring repeated warnings of an
imminent al Qaeda attack before 9/11, 32.55%


There were no "...repeated warnings of an imminent al Qaeda attack before
9/11..."


Hehehe. Ignoring everything that has been revealed to date, eh? Wait,
there is more to come.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c5us59


What was that plan? Oh...our troops would be met with gifts of flowers
and virgins, or some nonsense.


There were no "...repeated warnings of an imminent al Qaeda attack
before
9/11..."


Hehehe. Ignoring everything that has been revealed to date, eh? Wait,
there is more to come.


See my response to Jim, above.