On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:09:35 +0000, John Smith wrote:

What about the past presidents, including Bill Clinton and the majority of
congressman, including democrats and republicans who strongly believe Iraq
had WMD? Where all of them incompetent?

If they had invaded Iraq, yes they would have been incompetent. There is
a major difference in having a belief, and acting on that belief. Before
one puts lives at risk, it is prudent to be sure. Going to war is not an
"Ooops, sorry!" proposition. To paraphrase, how would *you* ask a man to
be the last to die for a mistake?

"thunder" wrote in message

....There is
a major difference in having a belief, and acting on that belief.

Yes -- that difference is called "courage".


Before one puts lives at risk, it is prudent to be sure.

In a shooting war, one often does not have the luxury of being sure. You go
with the best intelligence available, and calculate risk. No one ever won a
war with a good defensive posture; a battle, perhaps, from time to time,
but not the war.

John Gaquin wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message

....There is
a major difference in having a belief, and acting on that belief.


Yes -- that difference is called "courage".

Not in Bush's case. In his case, it was pigheadedness, stupidity, and
politics.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

John Gaquin wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message

....There is
a major difference in having a belief, and acting on that belief.


Yes -- that difference is called "courage".

Not in Bush's case. In his case, it was pigheadedness, stupidity, and
politics.

Harry, I think you are going to find that your type of anti-Bush rhetoric
will be the downfall of your and your party's attempts to oust him in the
coming election. Personal attacks on people usually result in a backlash of
support for them, particularly when they are perceived by many as an average
guy trying to do his best in a very difficult situation. Harry Truman
comes to mind.

A better argument would include the identification of specific differences
in policies and ideas for dealing with our global problems. Unfortunately,
John Kerry has yet to identify any, other than to hand the problems back to
the UN. If you recall, Bush tried this to no significant avail.

Eisboch

In article , thunder wrote:

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:09:35 +0000, John Smith wrote:

What about the past presidents, including Bill Clinton and the majority of
congressman, including democrats and republicans who strongly believe Iraq
had WMD? Where all of them incompetent?

If they had invaded Iraq, yes they would have been incompetent. There is
a major difference in having a belief, and acting on that belief. Before
one puts lives at risk, it is prudent to be sure. Going to war is not an
"Ooops, sorry!" proposition. To paraphrase, how would *you* ask a man to
be the last to die for a mistake?

Armchair quarterbacks are a dime a dozen.

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:59:55 +0000, Henry Blackmoore wrote:


Armchair quarterbacks are a dime a dozen.

LOL, and lying politicians? A rare breed, I suppose.