On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:08:19 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"NOYB" wrote in message
om...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message

OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other
tricks)


OK, you've completely lost me on this one. I'm looking up the
spelling
of
"tangential".

I don't recall ever seeing that quote, I have no idea of the
context --
which is crucial with a GW quote, as you're well aware -- and I can't
see
any way that it is relevant to my comments. maybe it's the Easter
ham.



I don't celebrate Easter, so no ham today. I had fresh trout for dinner,
baked with a sprinkling of fresh wild garlic from alongside the stream
where
I caught the fish. If my mother was right, all that fish makes me a
genius
for another day.

Here's the quote you say you never saw. I provided it for you 3 messages
back:

"Those of us who spent time in the agricultural sector and in the
heartland,
we understand how unfair the death penalty is." George Bush, Omaha,
Neb.,
Feb. 28, 2001

I can appreciate how context may affect the meaning of words. So,
enlighten
me. Provide a LIKELY context in which this statement would NOT sound
like
GWB was pandering to the audience in front of him at the moment.


OK Doug. In typical liberal fashion, a portion of that quote was removed
to
fool liberals into believing Bush was pandering to an audience.

Here's the original quote:
"And those of us who have spent some time in the agricultural sector and
in
the heartland, understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the death tax
is, and we need to get rid of it. "

He misspoke...and then corrected himself. The quote was about the "death
tax"...not the "death penalty".

Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0010228-4.html

Feel stupid now that you were duped so easily by the liars on the
Democratic
websites?


OK. Let's try this hypothetical version:
"And those of us who have spent some time in the automotice manufacturing
sector, understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the death tax is, and
we need to get rid of it. "

Or this:
"And those of us who have spent some time in the commercial fishing sector,
understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the death tax is, and we need
to get rid of it. "

Pandering.


Could the death tax on a farm be a bit more than that on a Ford? I think so.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message

OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other

tricks)


OK, you've completely lost me on this one. I'm looking up the spelling

of

"tangential".

I don't recall ever seeing that quote, I have no idea of the context --
which is crucial with a GW quote, as you're well aware -- and I can't

see

any way that it is relevant to my comments. maybe it's the Easter ham.



I don't celebrate Easter, so no ham today. I had fresh trout for dinner,
baked with a sprinkling of fresh wild garlic from alongside the stream

where

I caught the fish. If my mother was right, all that fish makes me a
genius
for another day.

Here's the quote you say you never saw. I provided it for you 3 messages
back:

"Those of us who spent time in the agricultural sector and in the

heartland,

we understand how unfair the death penalty is." George Bush, Omaha,
Neb.,
Feb. 28, 2001

I can appreciate how context may affect the meaning of words. So,

enlighten

me. Provide a LIKELY context in which this statement would NOT sound
like
GWB was pandering to the audience in front of him at the moment.



OK Doug. In typical liberal fashion, a portion of that quote was
removed to
fool liberals into believing Bush was pandering to an audience.

Here's the original quote:
"And those of us who have spent some time in the agricultural sector and
in
the heartland, understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the death
tax
is, and we need to get rid of it. "

He misspoke...and then corrected himself. The quote was about the
"death
tax"...not the "death penalty".

Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0010228-4.html

Feel stupid now that you were duped so easily by the liars on the
Democratic
websites?



Uh-huh...making excuses for the Presidunce again, eh?

They're not excuses when they're the truth.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
m...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message

OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among
other
tricks)


OK, you've completely lost me on this one. I'm looking up the
spelling
of
"tangential".

I don't recall ever seeing that quote, I have no idea of the
context --
which is crucial with a GW quote, as you're well aware -- and I
can't
see
any way that it is relevant to my comments. maybe it's the Easter
ham.



I don't celebrate Easter, so no ham today. I had fresh trout for
dinner,
baked with a sprinkling of fresh wild garlic from alongside the stream
where
I caught the fish. If my mother was right, all that fish makes me a
genius
for another day.

Here's the quote you say you never saw. I provided it for you 3
messages
back:

"Those of us who spent time in the agricultural sector and in the
heartland,
we understand how unfair the death penalty is." George Bush, Omaha,
Neb.,
Feb. 28, 2001

I can appreciate how context may affect the meaning of words. So,
enlighten
me. Provide a LIKELY context in which this statement would NOT sound
like
GWB was pandering to the audience in front of him at the moment.


OK Doug. In typical liberal fashion, a portion of that quote was
removed
to
fool liberals into believing Bush was pandering to an audience.

Here's the original quote:
"And those of us who have spent some time in the agricultural sector and
in
the heartland, understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the death
tax
is, and we need to get rid of it. "

He misspoke...and then corrected himself. The quote was about the
"death
tax"...not the "death penalty".

Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0010228-4.html

Feel stupid now that you were duped so easily by the liars on the
Democratic
websites?


OK. Let's try this hypothetical version:
"And those of us who have spent some time in the automotice manufacturing
sector, understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the death tax is,
and
we need to get rid of it. "

Or this:
"And those of us who have spent some time in the commercial fishing
sector,
understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the death tax is, and we
need
to get rid of it. "

Pandering.

Here's what you said about the quote (when you thought he was talking about
the death penalty):

"OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other tricks)
implies that farmers have special knowledge about death penalty issues."

Now that you've been given the evidence that your source purposely distorted
the quote, do you still feel that farmers don't have special knowledge about
the "death tax" issue?

Pandering means catering to the lowest tastes or desires of others in order
to exploit their weaknesses. I doubt anybody who's a farmer considers the
abolition of the "death tax" as their "lowest desire".

Why don't you just dmit it. You bought into a lie posted on a liberal
website, and got burned.

Honestly, Jim, harry lies so much that we can't tell the difference between
the honest stories and the lies...so we just assume it's all lies.

This time, he tried a rope-a-dope by citing Fox News as the source.


"Jim" wrote in message
ink.net...
Harry, you go too far sometimes. The right wing guys now have this
lousy post of yours to prove "The left" is "full of liars".

Let them do the lying, they are the best at it.
Harry Krause wrote:


Rice, Administration: Bin Laden Telephoned Us on 10 September, We Didn't
Listen
Fox News 10 Apr 2004 17:12 GMT


Phone Call from Terrorist Leader Warning of Next Day's Attacks "Just
Seemed Like More Background Chatter," and "Not Actionable Information"

Rice, Administration: Bin Laden Telephoned Us on 10 September, We Didn't
Listen

Phone Call from Terrorist Leader Warning of Next Day's Attacks "Just
Seemed Like More Background Chatter," and "Not Actionable Information"

National Security Adviser Condaleeza Rice and other Bush administration
officials downplayed the significance of a telephone call received the
afternoon of September 10th, 2001, from Osama bin Laden.

In the telephone call to Rice's office, Osama bin Laden reportedly
advised the Bush administration that the next day, September 11th, in
the morning, he was intending to have commercial airliners ("we want a
couple of 767s") hijacked and flown into the World Trade Center ("you
know, big big ones in New York"), the Pentagon ("your big military
headquarters"), the White House ("where Mr. Bush live"), and the US
Congress ("that one with big dome, kind of mosque-looking").

The events would take place the next morning sometime around 7:30 or
8:00 am, "depending on how well our guys do schedule."

Bin Laden, reports say, then faxed to Rice's office hand-drawn
illustrations of airliners crashing into large buildings and maps of the
airport terminals where the hijackers would be departing. In addition a
bicycle messenger delivered a decorated cake to the NSC offices which
showed a crudely drawn, frosting-based map of the USA with starry
explosion markers in New York and Washington.

Rice, however, has dismissed reports of these contacts. The information
received was "indistinct" and not "definite indicators" of any actual
threat. Administration officials also reported "great frustration" that
such "armchair quarterbacking" was being performed so long after the
fact. "Ancient history," said another, adding that "it's not like bin
Laden e-mailed us a 3-D computer simulation of their hijackers cutting
the pilots throats, which they easily could have done, given todays PC
power."

FNP reports indicated that, in fact, bin Laden did e-mail NSC offices a
3D simulation of the September 11th attacks, complete with an
English-language translation and an accompanying PowerPoint slide
presentation illustrating the timeline of the planned hijackings.
Officials on hearing the correction expressed surprise and were
impressed at the quality of the PowerPoint presentation and vowed to
learn from bin Laden's skilled use of fonts and color schemes.

Rice reiterated, however, that she would have "moved heaven and earth"
to have acted on September 11th, 2001, to protect the USA, had only
there have been some way to foresee what was about to have taken place.

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
m...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message

OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among
other
tricks)


OK, you've completely lost me on this one. I'm looking up the
spelling
of
"tangential".

I don't recall ever seeing that quote, I have no idea of the
context --
which is crucial with a GW quote, as you're well aware -- and I
can't
see
any way that it is relevant to my comments. maybe it's the Easter
ham.



I don't celebrate Easter, so no ham today. I had fresh trout for
dinner,
baked with a sprinkling of fresh wild garlic from alongside the
stream
where
I caught the fish. If my mother was right, all that fish makes me a
genius
for another day.

Here's the quote you say you never saw. I provided it for you 3
messages
back:

"Those of us who spent time in the agricultural sector and in the
heartland,
we understand how unfair the death penalty is." George Bush, Omaha,
Neb.,
Feb. 28, 2001

I can appreciate how context may affect the meaning of words. So,
enlighten
me. Provide a LIKELY context in which this statement would NOT sound
like
GWB was pandering to the audience in front of him at the moment.


OK Doug. In typical liberal fashion, a portion of that quote was
removed
to
fool liberals into believing Bush was pandering to an audience.

Here's the original quote:
"And those of us who have spent some time in the agricultural sector
and
in
the heartland, understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the death
tax
is, and we need to get rid of it. "

He misspoke...and then corrected himself. The quote was about the
"death
tax"...not the "death penalty".

Source:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0010228-4.html

Feel stupid now that you were duped so easily by the liars on the
Democratic
websites?


OK. Let's try this hypothetical version:
"And those of us who have spent some time in the automotice
manufacturing
sector, understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the death tax is,
and
we need to get rid of it. "

Or this:
"And those of us who have spent some time in the commercial fishing
sector,
understand how unfair the death penalty is -- the death tax is, and we
need
to get rid of it. "

Pandering.

Here's what you said about the quote (when you thought he was talking
about
the death penalty):

"OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other
tricks)
implies that farmers have special knowledge about death penalty issues."

Now that you've been given the evidence that your source purposely
distorted
the quote, do you still feel that farmers don't have special knowledge
about
the "death tax" issue?

Pandering means catering to the lowest tastes or desires of others in
order
to exploit their weaknesses. I doubt anybody who's a farmer considers the
abolition of the "death tax" as their "lowest desire".

Why don't you just dmit it. You bought into a lie posted on a liberal
website, and got burned.

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...


Pandering.

Here's what you said about the quote (when you thought he was talking
about
the death penalty):

"OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other
tricks)
implies that farmers have special knowledge about death penalty issues."

Now that you've been given the evidence that your source purposely
distorted
the quote, do you still feel that farmers don't have special knowledge
about
the "death tax" issue?

Pandering means catering to the lowest tastes or desires of others in
order
to exploit their weaknesses. I doubt anybody who's a farmer considers the
abolition of the "death tax" as their "lowest desire".

Why don't you just dmit it. You bought into a lie posted on a liberal
website, and got burned.



The key word is "us", NOYB. He included himself in a group in which he is
not a member. He implied that he "spent time in the heartland", sharing the
experiences of his audience. It would not matter if it were farmers,
automobile workers or commercial fishermen. He owns a ranch which is nothing
but a suburban home with extra land. To suggest that he shares ANYTHING with
an audience is pure hypocrisy.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...


Pandering.

Here's what you said about the quote (when you thought he was talking
about
the death penalty):

"OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other
tricks)
implies that farmers have special knowledge about death penalty issues."

Now that you've been given the evidence that your source purposely
distorted
the quote, do you still feel that farmers don't have special knowledge
about
the "death tax" issue?

Pandering means catering to the lowest tastes or desires of others in
order
to exploit their weaknesses. I doubt anybody who's a farmer considers
the
abolition of the "death tax" as their "lowest desire".

Why don't you just dmit it. You bought into a lie posted on a liberal
website, and got burned.



The key word is "us", NOYB. He included himself in a group in which he is
not a member. He implied that he "spent time in the heartland",

He *does* have a place in the heartland, Doug.


sharing the
experiences of his audience. It would not matter if it were farmers,
automobile workers or commercial fishermen.

....or sons of ex-Presidents. If your parents have any substantial wealth,
land, possessions, etc., the death tax sucks.

John Gaquin wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message

"Get all the fools on your side and you can be elected to anything."


You are absolutely correct, John.


Well, I knew as I wrote that that someone with a brain would be able to turn
it around. That's half the fun of debate. :-)

Here's the rub, though. Common sense would indicate that the republic would
benefit by increasing the general education and awareness level of the
populace as a whole. But the demographic fact remains that the Democrat
Party actually benefits by *increasing* the number of ignorant, indigent,
and irresponsible voters.


What a giggle. The majority of ignorant, irresponsible votes are on your
side of the aisle.

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:08:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...


Pandering.

Here's what you said about the quote (when you thought he was talking
about
the death penalty):

"OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other
tricks)
implies that farmers have special knowledge about death penalty issues."

Now that you've been given the evidence that your source purposely
distorted
the quote, do you still feel that farmers don't have special knowledge
about
the "death tax" issue?

Pandering means catering to the lowest tastes or desires of others in
order
to exploit their weaknesses. I doubt anybody who's a farmer considers the
abolition of the "death tax" as their "lowest desire".

Why don't you just dmit it. You bought into a lie posted on a liberal
website, and got burned.



The key word is "us", NOYB. He included himself in a group in which he is
not a member. He implied that he "spent time in the heartland", sharing the
experiences of his audience. It would not matter if it were farmers,
automobile workers or commercial fishermen. He owns a ranch which is nothing
but a suburban home with extra land. To suggest that he shares ANYTHING with
an audience is pure hypocrisy.


You don't see a relationship between a ranch, a farm, and death taxes? Like,
large pieces of land, worth lots of money, for which a percent must be paid in
taxes upon the owner's death. The taxes must be paid up front. For many folks
the money isn't there, unless the property is sold.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"John H" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:08:32 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...


Pandering.

Here's what you said about the quote (when you thought he was talking
about
the death penalty):

"OK...let me get this straight: We have a president who (among other
tricks)
implies that farmers have special knowledge about death penalty
issues."

Now that you've been given the evidence that your source purposely
distorted
the quote, do you still feel that farmers don't have special knowledge
about
the "death tax" issue?

Pandering means catering to the lowest tastes or desires of others in
order
to exploit their weaknesses. I doubt anybody who's a farmer considers
the
abolition of the "death tax" as their "lowest desire".

Why don't you just dmit it. You bought into a lie posted on a liberal
website, and got burned.



The key word is "us", NOYB. He included himself in a group in which he is
not a member. He implied that he "spent time in the heartland", sharing
the
experiences of his audience. It would not matter if it were farmers,
automobile workers or commercial fishermen. He owns a ranch which is
nothing
but a suburban home with extra land. To suggest that he shares ANYTHING
with
an audience is pure hypocrisy.


You don't see a relationship between a ranch, a farm, and death taxes?
Like,
large pieces of land, worth lots of money, for which a percent must be
paid in
taxes upon the owner's death. The taxes must be paid up front. For many
folks
the money isn't there, unless the property is sold.

Of course there's a relationship. But, there is NO connection between GWB's
life experiences, and those of a farmer. The "I know exactly how you feel"
thing can only be taken so far before it becomes an obvious ploy.