I was told by a Werner rep about the glass change as I was applying for
warranty coverage on padddle break # 1. Something about "S" glass and "E"
glass. Remember the old werners with the all white blades, pre freestyle
etc? They were just about indestructable. You are correct however about a
paddle taking a hit then delaminating or snapping at a later time.
"Courtney" wrote in message
nk.net...
Werner didn't go to a cheaper glass. Who told you that? They're using
the
same glass for the Freestyle that they use on the other paddles, just a
different lay-up for each design. As for breaking 2 paddles, you can
stress
a paddle and not know it by hitting it on a rock or throwing it on the
shore
or prying your boat off with it, etc... Then later on down the road it
breaks for no apparent reason; just a small hit on something will do it.
This is with all paddles, not just Werner. Some people are harder on
paddles than others and all paddles will break. They're not
indestructible.

To the original poster and your question, I have absolutely no idea.

Courtney

"Grip" wrote in message
...
THese are white water paddles you're talking of I believe. I have broken
two
Werner Freestyles, Werner went to a cheaper glass some years ago ( the
kind
you can fix your car with from Pep Boy's etc.) As far as dripping, it is
a
wet sport! Lightning paddles are pretty tough, and wear symetrically,
last
a long time of you put edging around the blades. I have an older Riot
crank
shaft with nylon blades, shaft made by Lendle, toughest thing I've ever
owned.
"Bill Tuthill" wrote in message
...
wrote:
As long as some of the regulars are still hanging around,
contributing
trip reports and their years of accumulated knowledge I refuse to
give
up on rbp's potential.

Then let me ask a question I posted on Boatertalk.com, so far
unanswered.

On a recent trip I compared my Lightning Freeride to
a Carlisle RS Magic (drips most), a Werner freestyle
of unknown type (drips more) and a Lightning symmetric.
With Freeride there's virtually no dripping down the shaft.
I have no idea why. Drip rings are unnecessary!

The Lightning Freeride isn't as good as a Werner dihedral
for backstroking, but it's fine going forward.

In 2005 I see that Werner has two basic lines of non-black
paddles. (I refuse to buy black because it's easy to lose.)
There are ones with downturned blades, and ones with the
typical "freestyle" asymmetric blade shape, not downturned.

Does anyone know if the downturned models (Twist, Player,
Sidekick, in order of size) drip less down the shaft and
shed water as well as a Lightning Freeride?

That's interesting. For the past 10 years I used to be a Werner rep and
before that work in paddling stores. I don't recall anything on a material
change. Maybe I just don't remember it or it was before I came into the
industry. By the way the white blades are just resin color. Werner still
had the Quest in white until just about 3 years ago.

Courtney

"Grip" wrote in message
...
I was told by a Werner rep about the glass change as I was applying for
warranty coverage on padddle break # 1. Something about "S" glass and "E"
glass. Remember the old werners with the all white blades, pre freestyle
etc? They were just about indestructable. You are correct however about a
paddle taking a hit then delaminating or snapping at a later time.
"Courtney" wrote in message
nk.net...
Werner didn't go to a cheaper glass. Who told you that? They're using
the
same glass for the Freestyle that they use on the other paddles, just a
different lay-up for each design. As for breaking 2 paddles, you can
stress
a paddle and not know it by hitting it on a rock or throwing it on the
shore
or prying your boat off with it, etc... Then later on down the road it
breaks for no apparent reason; just a small hit on something will do it.
This is with all paddles, not just Werner. Some people are harder on
paddles than others and all paddles will break. They're not
indestructible.

To the original poster and your question, I have absolutely no idea.

Courtney

"Grip" wrote in message
...
THese are white water paddles you're talking of I believe. I have
broken
two
Werner Freestyles, Werner went to a cheaper glass some years ago ( the
kind
you can fix your car with from Pep Boy's etc.) As far as dripping, it
is
a
wet sport! Lightning paddles are pretty tough, and wear symetrically,
last
a long time of you put edging around the blades. I have an older Riot
crank
shaft with nylon blades, shaft made by Lendle, toughest thing I've
ever
owned.
"Bill Tuthill" wrote in message
...
wrote:
As long as some of the regulars are still hanging around,
contributing
trip reports and their years of accumulated knowledge I refuse to
give
up on rbp's potential.

Then let me ask a question I posted on Boatertalk.com, so far
unanswered.

On a recent trip I compared my Lightning Freeride to
a Carlisle RS Magic (drips most), a Werner freestyle
of unknown type (drips more) and a Lightning symmetric.
With Freeride there's virtually no dripping down the shaft.
I have no idea why. Drip rings are unnecessary!

The Lightning Freeride isn't as good as a Werner dihedral
for backstroking, but it's fine going forward.

In 2005 I see that Werner has two basic lines of non-black
paddles. (I refuse to buy black because it's easy to lose.)
There are ones with downturned blades, and ones with the
typical "freestyle" asymmetric blade shape, not downturned.

Does anyone know if the downturned models (Twist, Player,
Sidekick, in order of size) drip less down the shaft and
shed water as well as a Lightning Freeride?

Courtney wrote:
That's interesting. For the past 10 years I used to be a Werner rep and
before that work in paddling stores. I don't recall anything on a material
change. Maybe I just don't remember it or it was before I came into the
industry. By the way the white blades are just resin color. Werner still
had the Quest in white until just about 3 years ago.

I think the multilayer-fiberglass blades were more than 10 years ago.
E.g. Wenatchee. They were thicker and heavier than current models.

These are the ones I saw a horse step on and break, so I don't believe
they are really any stronger than current blades, just heavier.

After a horse stepped on my Wenatchee, I patched it with epoxy and
fiberglass fabric, and continued using it until a friend lost it
on the Eel Pillsbury run. Odd, it just disappeared into Double Drop,
and even at ultra low flows we couldn't see it!

Thanks both of you for the help on rim rubber edging.

No problem. Hope it works for you. Thanks for the good laugh with the
horse story. I'm surprised it held up at all after a horse stepped on it.

Courtney

"Bill Tuthill" wrote in message ...
Courtney wrote:
That's interesting. For the past 10 years I used to be a Werner rep and
before that work in paddling stores. I don't recall anything on a
material
change. Maybe I just don't remember it or it was before I came into the
industry. By the way the white blades are just resin color. Werner
still
had the Quest in white until just about 3 years ago.

I think the multilayer-fiberglass blades were more than 10 years ago.
E.g. Wenatchee. They were thicker and heavier than current models.

These are the ones I saw a horse step on and break, so I don't believe
they are really any stronger than current blades, just heavier.

After a horse stepped on my Wenatchee, I patched it with epoxy and
fiberglass fabric, and continued using it until a friend lost it
on the Eel Pillsbury run. Odd, it just disappeared into Double Drop,
and even at ultra low flows we couldn't see it!

Thanks both of you for the help on rim rubber edging.

Courtney wrote:

No problem. Hope it works for you. Thanks for the good laugh with the
horse story. I'm surprised it held up at all after a horse stepped on it.

I'd be surprised if it didn't. My old Harmony survived being run over by
a Grand Cherokee.

Steve

"Bill Tuthill" wrote in message ...

Courtney wrote:

That's interesting. For the past 10 years I used to be a Werner rep and
before that work in paddling stores. I don't recall anything on a

material

change. Maybe I just don't remember it or it was before I came into the
industry. By the way the white blades are just resin color. Werner

still

had the Quest in white until just about 3 years ago.

I think the multilayer-fiberglass blades were more than 10 years ago.
E.g. Wenatchee. They were thicker and heavier than current models.

These are the ones I saw a horse step on and break, so I don't believe
they are really any stronger than current blades, just heavier.

After a horse stepped on my Wenatchee, I patched it with epoxy and
fiberglass fabric, and continued using it until a friend lost it
on the Eel Pillsbury run. Odd, it just disappeared into Double Drop,
and even at ultra low flows we couldn't see it!

Thanks both of you for the help on rim rubber edging.






--
Steve Cramer
Athens, GA