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I know that aspects of this have been posted previously, but I thought
I would provide an update I saw in today's newspapers and a release by
the Associated Press.

According to several articles in the news, "Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa.,
the U.S. Senate's third-ranking Republican, stirred up a growing storm
with a bill introduced on April 14 that would restrict the availability
of weather information provided now by the National Weather Service for
free to the general public. Among the products removed from public
access would be weather data and radar through the National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration's Web sites. Though Santorum claims the NWS
would compete unfairly with such commercial sites as AccuWeather and
the Weather Channel, both for-profit services use basic data provided
by the NWS as well as other information from other sources and
repackage it for target markets."

According to a release by the Associated Press, "Two days before Sen.
Rick Santorum introduced a bill that critics say would restrict the
National Weather Service, his political action committee received a
$2,000 donation from the chief executive of AccuWeather Inc., a leading
provider of weather data."

If you use NOAA weather information to plan sailing events, you might
want to contact the senators from your state.


If you use NOAA weather information to plan *any* day out on the water,
then you know
what it's like to be frustrated by inaccurate forecasting. NOAA sucks.


NOAA is reasonable accurate up here, but for predicting Bay wave heights.
Up to a point, I just double NOAA's predicted wave heights, especially
when the prediction is 1' or less.

You're in a much tougher area for forecasting. Using data that is not
generated by NOAA, who is giving you the best predictions of ocean
conditions?


The day of any trip, I use Weatherbug to get current windspeed and
direction. snip


A far better program without the spyware is Weather Pulse
http://tropicdesigns.net/weatherpulse.php

Give it a go and see if you agree.

On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:22:52 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
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If you use NOAA weather information to plan *any* day out on the water,
then you know
what it's like to be frustrated by inaccurate forecasting. NOAA sucks.

I agree. Especially on reporting and forecasting wave heights.

I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about - they are
pretty accurate up in my area.

Later,

Tom

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On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:22:52 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
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~~ snippage ~~

If you use NOAA weather information to plan *any* day out on the water,
then you know
what it's like to be frustrated by inaccurate forecasting. NOAA sucks.

I agree. Especially on reporting and forecasting wave heights.

I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about - they are
pretty accurate up in my area.

Later,

Tom


Perhaps a regional issue Tom.

Very common....wave heights of 1-2 reported by NOAA on the western and
central basin of Lake Erie when the Lake was capping at at least 3-5.
Thankfully I am within a mile of the Lake and can easily drive to confirm
conditions before we headed out.

I can report more inaccurate wave height reports of Lake conditions than I
can of accurate reports over my 25+ years of boating on the Great Lakes.

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On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:22:52 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
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~~ snippage ~~

If you use NOAA weather information to plan *any* day out on the water,
then you know
what it's like to be frustrated by inaccurate forecasting. NOAA sucks.

I agree. Especially on reporting and forecasting wave heights.

I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about - they are
pretty accurate up in my area.


Not by me.

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On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:22:52 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
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~~ snippage ~~

If you use NOAA weather information to plan *any* day out on the water,
then you know
what it's like to be frustrated by inaccurate forecasting. NOAA sucks.

I agree. Especially on reporting and forecasting wave heights.

I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about - they are
pretty accurate up in my area.


Not by me.




I have yet to find a consistently reliable source for weather forecasting.
Have you?

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On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:22:52 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
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~~ snippage ~~

If you use NOAA weather information to plan *any* day out on the
water,
then you know
what it's like to be frustrated by inaccurate forecasting. NOAA
sucks.

I agree. Especially on reporting and forecasting wave heights.

I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about - they are
pretty accurate up in my area.


Not by me.




I have yet to find a consistently reliable source for weather forecasting.
Have you?

This is the one I use for wave height predictions for my area:
https://www.navo.navy.mil/cgi-bin/gr...336/21/0-0-1/2

On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 19:23:55 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


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On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:22:52 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
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~~ snippage ~~

If you use NOAA weather information to plan *any* day out on the water,
then you know
what it's like to be frustrated by inaccurate forecasting. NOAA sucks.

I agree. Especially on reporting and forecasting wave heights.

I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about - they are
pretty accurate up in my area.

Not by me.

I have yet to find a consistently reliable source for weather forecasting.
Have you?

Why, I'm glad you asked - me. :)

After years of experience with the different areas that I travel in, I
can look at the data and pretty much tell if I'm going to have a good
time or a bad time of it.

Later,

Tom

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On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:22:52 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
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~~ snippage ~~

If you use NOAA weather information to plan *any* day out on the
water,
then you know
what it's like to be frustrated by inaccurate forecasting. NOAA
sucks.

I agree. Especially on reporting and forecasting wave heights.

I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about - they are
pretty accurate up in my area.

Not by me.

I have yet to find a consistently reliable source for weather forecasting.
Have you?

Why, I'm glad you asked - me. :)

After years of experience with the different areas that I travel in, I
can look at the data and pretty much tell if I'm going to have a good
time or a bad time of it.

Later,

Tom

There is an exhaust stack (steam from a processing mill) near the entrance
to the Huron River (from Lake Erie) that obviously shows the direction (and
severity if you know how to read the angle of the exhaust) of the wind. The
steam plume can be seen in all directions for at least 15 miles on a clear
day. It always gave me a reading of the direction and intensity of the wind
(waves) without even having to leave our dock at it is within a mile of the
marina, or if we were in a protected area of the Lake within range of the
stack plume.

I would rather base my judgment of the conditions of the Lake on my
observations, including the stake plume, rather than some NOAA report.

My past experience with NOAA and their wave height reports has been fairly
negative.

On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:25:19 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:

My past experience with NOAA and their wave height reports has been fairly
negative.

Interesting.

Later,

Tom