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Identify Ship On TV Show?

I was wondering if any of y'all could identify the style and
era of a wooden sailing ship shown on the TV show "Lost"?;

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...lbum=469&pos=1

http://tinyurl.com/837qs

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...lbum=469&pos=2

http://tinyurl.com/8hr8c

In particular, we'd like to know when a ship of this type
was being built and approximately how long these types of
ships were in use.

Also, what are the odds that a ship like this would survive
in the condition shown up until 2004 on a tropical island,
factoring in that it's possible that people may have been
using the ship as a home and maintaining it for X number
of years?

By the way, are there any historical references to a ship
named "Black Rock", possibly out of Portsmouth England?

Ed Stasiak wrote:
I was wondering if any of y'all could identify the style and
era of a wooden sailing ship shown on the TV show "Lost"?;

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...lbum=469&pos=1

http://tinyurl.com/837qs

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...lbum=469&pos=2

http://tinyurl.com/8hr8c

In particular, we'd like to know when a ship of this type
was being built and approximately how long these types of
ships were in use.

It's pretty generic... looks almost like something built as a stage set
for a pirate movie ;)

The picture doesn't show enough of the hull & rigging to really say what
type of ship. Looks square rigged on one mast, transom stern, four
straps/gugdeons on the rudder (which would be appropriate for a much
bigger vessel)... if it were a real ship, I couldn't guess any closer
than ~1800 up to ~1920. The things that date a ship more accurately are
things like rig & steering details which of course aren't shown.

Also, what are the odds that a ship like this would survive
in the condition shown up until 2004 on a tropical island,
factoring in that it's possible that people may have been
using the ship as a home and maintaining it for X number
of years?

How about factoring in that it would have taken some type of pretty
extreme event (tidal wave? hurricane?) to put the ship up into the
jungle in the first place, likely resulting in serious damage.

A ship on dry land would not be a very good dwelling... very
inconvenient, and it's more likely to trap water and keep it in than to
keep it off. Also to maintain it as a dwelling (such as keeping the deck
(now become a roof) reasonably water tight) would be likely to take
tools & materials not easily available in a jungle.

By the way, are there any historical references to a ship
named "Black Rock", possibly out of Portsmouth England?

Oh sure, "Black Rock" was a famous clipper ship that mysteriously
disappeared... sorry, just kidding...

DSK

On 20 May 2005 05:56:46 -0700, "Ed Stasiak" wrote:

In particular, we'd like to know when a ship of this type
was being built and approximately how long these types of
ships were in use.

It's hard to say because this is obviously a set and done more for
artistic reasons that sailing reasons. It's a composite ship with
various types of rigging and steering - Doug mentioned that the rudder
system is really something for a much larger vessel - and the sail
plan, based on the picture you provided, makes no sense in particular
for a ship of it's size.

There are a couple of tip offs that this isn't "real". For one, no
copper bottom which was common for ships that plied the tropics.
Assuming that the white part is the water line, there isnt' any tar
below the water line which was also common on small ships of that era
- think of the tar as a precursor to bottom paint.

The other thing is the lack of barnacles or other growth which you
would have seen regardless.

Also there isnt' any tumble home - the ship is pretty much slab sided
which is unlikely in a sea going vessel of it's purported vintage.

Thus, it's a set.

Also, what are the odds that a ship like this would survive
in the condition shown up until 2004 on a tropical island,
factoring in that it's possible that people may have been
using the ship as a home and maintaining it for X number
of years?

Not long. Even with the jungle growth hanging very dramatically off
the gunwales, it would trap water and being in the tropics probably
subject to torpedo worms.

Also, ships aren't meant to "sit" on land for long period of time
without collapsing. Based on the angle of the vessel it wouldn't be
long before it fell in on itself.

Consider that it would have been one hell of a storm to place this
ship in that position, it's pretty remarkable that the topsides
managed to stay in place - unlikely.

By the way, are there any historical references to a ship
named "Black Rock", possibly out of Portsmouth England?

Probably not. It's possible, but as to records, unlikely. You'd have
to use a pay service to find out and most likely they would have to
search Lloyd's of London data base.

If I had to guess, it's a back handed swipe at CBS which is also known
as Black Rock and the analogy would be ratings wreck that is CBS. Not
that it is, I don't know - just speculating. :)

Later,

Tom

what are the words under "black rock"?

"Ed Stasiak" wrote in message
oups.com...
I was wondering if any of y'all could identify the style and
era of a wooden sailing ship shown on the TV show "Lost"?;

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...age&meta =top
n&album=469&pos=1

http://tinyurl.com/837qs

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...age&meta =top
n&album=469&pos=2

http://tinyurl.com/8hr8c

In particular, we'd like to know when a ship of this type
was being built and approximately how long these types of
ships were in use.

Also, what are the odds that a ship like this would survive
in the condition shown up until 2004 on a tropical island,
factoring in that it's possible that people may have been
using the ship as a home and maintaining it for X number
of years?

By the way, are there any historical references to a ship
named "Black Rock", possibly out of Portsmouth England?

On Fri, 20 May 2005 11:22:34 -0400, "Harry.Krause"
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 20 May 2005 05:56:46 -0700, "Ed Stasiak" wrote:

There are a couple of tip offs that this isn't "real". For one, no
copper bottom which was common for ships that plied the tropics.
Assuming that the white part is the water line, there isnt' any tar
below the water line which was also common on small ships of that era
- think of the tar as a precursor to bottom paint.

I just got off the phone with your Contender dealer, fella. Because of
the sharp deal you cut on the price, you're getting tar on the bottom
instead of bottom paint.

Enjoy!

Wouldn't surprise me any. :)

Later,

Tom

In article ,
"jojo" wrote:

what are the words under "black rock"?

"Portsmouth"

On Fri, 20 May 2005 15:18:43 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

If I had to guess, it's a back handed swipe at CBS which is also known
as Black Rock and the analogy would be ratings wreck that is CBS. Not
that it is, I don't know - just speculating.

I got off the phone with a friend of mine who works in the maritime
shipping industry and has access to a lot of data bases.

As best as he can determine, there never has been a sailing vessel
named Black Rock in any navy or insured commercial service.

That dosen't mean that there wasn't one - it's not in the archives
that he has access to.

Hope that helps.

Later,

Tom

Santa Maria Class???

Whaddya think.
Regards,

On 20 May 2005 05:56:46 -0700, "Ed Stasiak" wrote:

I was wondering if any of y'all could identify the style and
era of a wooden sailing ship shown on the TV show "Lost"?;

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...lbum=469&pos=1

http://tinyurl.com/837qs

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...lbum=469&pos=2

http://tinyurl.com/8hr8c

In particular, we'd like to know when a ship of this type
was being built and approximately how long these types of
ships were in use.

Also, what are the odds that a ship like this would survive
in the condition shown up until 2004 on a tropical island,
factoring in that it's possible that people may have been
using the ship as a home and maintaining it for X number
of years?

By the way, are there any historical references to a ship
named "Black Rock", possibly out of Portsmouth England?

jojo wrote:
what are the words under "black rock"?

They are the original post because the captain of the ship "top posts" :-)

"Ed Stasiak" wrote in message
oups.com...

I was wondering if any of y'all could identify the style and
era of a wooden sailing ship shown on the TV show "Lost"?;

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...age&meta =top
n&album=469&pos=1

http://tinyurl.com/837qs

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...age&meta =top
n&album=469&pos=2

http://tinyurl.com/8hr8c

In particular, we'd like to know when a ship of this type
was being built and approximately how long these types of
ships were in use.

Also, what are the odds that a ship like this would survive
in the condition shown up until 2004 on a tropical island,
factoring in that it's possible that people may have been
using the ship as a home and maintaining it for X number
of years?

By the way, are there any historical references to a ship
named "Black Rock", possibly out of Portsmouth England?

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