Identify Ship On TV Show?
 

I was wondering if any of y'all could identify the style and
era of a wooden sailing ship shown on the TV show "Lost"?;

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...lbum=469&pos=1

http://tinyurl.com/837qs


http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...lbum=469&pos=2

http://tinyurl.com/8hr8c

In particular, we'd like to know when a ship of this type
was being built and approximately how long these types of
ships were in use.

Also, what are the odds that a ship like this would survive
in the condition shown up until 2004 on a tropical island,
factoring in that it's possible that people may have been
using the ship as a home and maintaining it for X number
of years?

By the way, are there any historical references to a ship
named "Black Rock", possibly out of Portsmouth England?

Ed Stasiak wrote:
I was wondering if any of y'all could identify the style and
era of a wooden sailing ship shown on the TV show "Lost"?;

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...lbum=469&pos=1

http://tinyurl.com/837qs


http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...lbum=469&pos=2

http://tinyurl.com/8hr8c

In particular, we'd like to know when a ship of this type
was being built and approximately how long these types of
ships were in use.

It's pretty generic... looks almost like something built as a stage set
for a pirate movie ;)

The picture doesn't show enough of the hull & rigging to really say what
type of ship. Looks square rigged on one mast, transom stern, four
straps/gugdeons on the rudder (which would be appropriate for a much
bigger vessel)... if it were a real ship, I couldn't guess any closer
than ~1800 up to ~1920. The things that date a ship more accurately are
things like rig & steering details which of course aren't shown.


Also, what are the odds that a ship like this would survive
in the condition shown up until 2004 on a tropical island,
factoring in that it's possible that people may have been
using the ship as a home and maintaining it for X number
of years?

How about factoring in that it would have taken some type of pretty
extreme event (tidal wave? hurricane?) to put the ship up into the
jungle in the first place, likely resulting in serious damage.

A ship on dry land would not be a very good dwelling... very
inconvenient, and it's more likely to trap water and keep it in than to
keep it off. Also to maintain it as a dwelling (such as keeping the deck
(now become a roof) reasonably water tight) would be likely to take
tools & materials not easily available in a jungle.


By the way, are there any historical references to a ship
named "Black Rock", possibly out of Portsmouth England?


Oh sure, "Black Rock" was a famous clipper ship that mysteriously
disappeared... sorry, just kidding...

DSK

Ed Stasiak wrote:
I was wondering if any of y'all could identify the style and
era of a wooden sailing ship shown on the TV show "Lost"?;

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...lbum=469&pos=1

http://tinyurl.com/837qs


http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...lbum=469&pos=2

http://tinyurl.com/8hr8c

In particular, we'd like to know when a ship of this type
was being built and approximately how long these types of
ships were in use.

Also, what are the odds that a ship like this would survive
in the condition shown up until 2004 on a tropical island,
factoring in that it's possible that people may have been
using the ship as a home and maintaining it for X number
of years?

By the way, are there any historical references to a ship
named "Black Rock", possibly out of Portsmouth England?


http://www.madbbs.com/users/iflyhigh747/Pict2490.jpg

http://www.madbbs.com/users/iflyhigh747/SLN3.JPG

http://www.madbbs.com/users/iflyhigh...09beforeul.jpg

http://www.madbbs.com/users/iflyhigh...0_1169bbul.jpg

Similarites? This is the Sea Lion from Chautauqua Lake.

Rob

On 20 May 2005 05:56:46 -0700, "Ed Stasiak" wrote:

In particular, we'd like to know when a ship of this type
was being built and approximately how long these types of
ships were in use.

It's hard to say because this is obviously a set and done more for
artistic reasons that sailing reasons. It's a composite ship with
various types of rigging and steering - Doug mentioned that the rudder
system is really something for a much larger vessel - and the sail
plan, based on the picture you provided, makes no sense in particular
for a ship of it's size.

There are a couple of tip offs that this isn't "real". For one, no
copper bottom which was common for ships that plied the tropics.
Assuming that the white part is the water line, there isnt' any tar
below the water line which was also common on small ships of that era
- think of the tar as a precursor to bottom paint.

The other thing is the lack of barnacles or other growth which you
would have seen regardless.

Also there isnt' any tumble home - the ship is pretty much slab sided
which is unlikely in a sea going vessel of it's purported vintage.

Thus, it's a set.

Also, what are the odds that a ship like this would survive
in the condition shown up until 2004 on a tropical island,
factoring in that it's possible that people may have been
using the ship as a home and maintaining it for X number
of years?

Not long. Even with the jungle growth hanging very dramatically off
the gunwales, it would trap water and being in the tropics probably
subject to torpedo worms.

Also, ships aren't meant to "sit" on land for long period of time
without collapsing. Based on the angle of the vessel it wouldn't be
long before it fell in on itself.

Consider that it would have been one hell of a storm to place this
ship in that position, it's pretty remarkable that the topsides
managed to stay in place - unlikely.

By the way, are there any historical references to a ship
named "Black Rock", possibly out of Portsmouth England?

Probably not. It's possible, but as to records, unlikely. You'd have
to use a pay service to find out and most likely they would have to
search Lloyd's of London data base.

If I had to guess, it's a back handed swipe at CBS which is also known
as Black Rock and the analogy would be ratings wreck that is CBS. Not
that it is, I don't know - just speculating. :)

Later,

Tom

what are the words under "black rock"?


"Ed Stasiak" wrote in message
oups.com...
I was wondering if any of y'all could identify the style and
era of a wooden sailing ship shown on the TV show "Lost"?;


http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...age&meta =top
n&album=469&pos=1

http://tinyurl.com/837qs



http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...age&meta =top
n&album=469&pos=2

http://tinyurl.com/8hr8c

In particular, we'd like to know when a ship of this type
was being built and approximately how long these types of
ships were in use.

Also, what are the odds that a ship like this would survive
in the condition shown up until 2004 on a tropical island,
factoring in that it's possible that people may have been
using the ship as a home and maintaining it for X number
of years?

By the way, are there any historical references to a ship
named "Black Rock", possibly out of Portsmouth England?

On Fri, 20 May 2005 11:22:34 -0400, "Harry.Krause"
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 20 May 2005 05:56:46 -0700, "Ed Stasiak" wrote:


There are a couple of tip offs that this isn't "real". For one, no
copper bottom which was common for ships that plied the tropics.
Assuming that the white part is the water line, there isnt' any tar
below the water line which was also common on small ships of that era
- think of the tar as a precursor to bottom paint.

I just got off the phone with your Contender dealer, fella. Because of
the sharp deal you cut on the price, you're getting tar on the bottom
instead of bottom paint.

Enjoy!

Wouldn't surprise me any. :)

Later,

Tom

In article ,
"jojo" wrote:

what are the words under "black rock"?



"Portsmouth"

On Fri, 20 May 2005 15:18:43 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

If I had to guess, it's a back handed swipe at CBS which is also known
as Black Rock and the analogy would be ratings wreck that is CBS. Not
that it is, I don't know - just speculating.

I got off the phone with a friend of mine who works in the maritime
shipping industry and has access to a lot of data bases.

As best as he can determine, there never has been a sailing vessel
named Black Rock in any navy or insured commercial service.

That dosen't mean that there wasn't one - it's not in the archives
that he has access to.

Hope that helps.

Later,

Tom

Santa Maria Class???


Whaddya think.
Regards,

On 20 May 2005 05:56:46 -0700, "Ed Stasiak" wrote:

I was wondering if any of y'all could identify the style and
era of a wooden sailing ship shown on the TV show "Lost"?;

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...lbum=469&pos=1

http://tinyurl.com/837qs


http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...lbum=469&pos=2

http://tinyurl.com/8hr8c

In particular, we'd like to know when a ship of this type
was being built and approximately how long these types of
ships were in use.

Also, what are the odds that a ship like this would survive
in the condition shown up until 2004 on a tropical island,
factoring in that it's possible that people may have been
using the ship as a home and maintaining it for X number
of years?

By the way, are there any historical references to a ship
named "Black Rock", possibly out of Portsmouth England?

jojo wrote:
what are the words under "black rock"?


They are the original post because the captain of the ship "top posts" :-)



"Ed Stasiak" wrote in message
oups.com...

I was wondering if any of y'all could identify the style and
era of a wooden sailing ship shown on the TV show "Lost"?;



http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...age&meta =top
n&album=469&pos=1

http://tinyurl.com/837qs




http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...age&meta =top
n&album=469&pos=2

http://tinyurl.com/8hr8c

In particular, we'd like to know when a ship of this type
was being built and approximately how long these types of
ships were in use.

Also, what are the odds that a ship like this would survive
in the condition shown up until 2004 on a tropical island,
factoring in that it's possible that people may have been
using the ship as a home and maintaining it for X number
of years?

By the way, are there any historical references to a ship
named "Black Rock", possibly out of Portsmouth England?






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That SEA LION evokes a much earlier era than BLACK ROCK. The extremely
high sterncastle is more like a galleon, say, 16th century. BLACK ROCK
is a relatively modern ship. My wife and I initially thought the
deadly and mysterious "others" must be the descendants of stranded
pirates.

WRT the show itself, I imagine that the BLACK ROCK's cargo will be
revealed to be at least partly composed of exotic animals. I can't
wait to find out how polar bears managed to reproduce on that tropical
island for over a century.

BTW, the "monster" on the island is an ELEPHANT! The ship must have
been well traveled to pick up both polar bears and elephants.


trainfan1 wrote:
Ed Stasiak wrote:
I was wondering if any of y'all could identify the style and
era of a wooden sailing ship shown on the TV show "Lost"?;


http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...lbum=469&pos=1

http://tinyurl.com/837qs



http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...lbum=469&pos=2

http://tinyurl.com/8hr8c

In particular, we'd like to know when a ship of this type
was being built and approximately how long these types of
ships were in use.

Also, what are the odds that a ship like this would survive
in the condition shown up until 2004 on a tropical island,
factoring in that it's possible that people may have been
using the ship as a home and maintaining it for X number
of years?

By the way, are there any historical references to a ship
named "Black Rock", possibly out of Portsmouth England?


http://www.madbbs.com/users/iflyhigh747/Pict2490.jpg

http://www.madbbs.com/users/iflyhigh747/SLN3.JPG

http://www.madbbs.com/users/iflyhigh...09beforeul.jpg

http://www.madbbs.com/users/iflyhigh...0_1169bbul.jpg

Similarites? This is the Sea Lion from Chautauqua Lake.

Rob

BTW, the "monster" on the island is an ELEPHANT! The ship must have
been well traveled to pick up both polar bears and elephants.


I thought that the monster might be an elephant too. Strange. Can't
explain it logically in any other way. Elephants as a security system?

--
BJ Simpson

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them a larger physical stoicism. Tend to relieve us from being a nervous,
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"PBM" wrote in message
ups.com...
That SEA LION evokes a much earlier era than BLACK ROCK. The extremely
high sterncastle is more like a galleon, say, 16th century. BLACK ROCK
is a relatively modern ship. My wife and I initially thought the
deadly and mysterious "others" must be the descendants of stranded
pirates.

WRT the show itself, I imagine that the BLACK ROCK's cargo will be
revealed to be at least partly composed of exotic animals. I can't
wait to find out how polar bears managed to reproduce on that tropical
island for over a century.



trainfan1 wrote:
Ed Stasiak wrote:
I was wondering if any of y'all could identify the style and
era of a wooden sailing ship shown on the TV show "Lost"?;


http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...lbum=469&pos=1

http://tinyurl.com/837qs



http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...lbum=469&pos=2

http://tinyurl.com/8hr8c

In particular, we'd like to know when a ship of this type
was being built and approximately how long these types of
ships were in use.

Also, what are the odds that a ship like this would survive
in the condition shown up until 2004 on a tropical island,
factoring in that it's possible that people may have been
using the ship as a home and maintaining it for X number
of years?

By the way, are there any historical references to a ship
named "Black Rock", possibly out of Portsmouth England?


http://www.madbbs.com/users/iflyhigh747/Pict2490.jpg

http://www.madbbs.com/users/iflyhigh747/SLN3.JPG

http://www.madbbs.com/users/iflyhigh...09beforeul.jpg

http://www.madbbs.com/users/iflyhigh...0_1169bbul.jpg

Similarites? This is the Sea Lion from Chautauqua Lake.

Rob

more like a carrack than a galleon isn't it...rounded stern and all.


"Ed Stasiak" wrote in message
oups.com...
I was wondering if any of y'all could identify the style and
era of a wooden sailing ship shown on the TV show "Lost"?;


http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...age&meta =top
n&album=469&pos=1

http://tinyurl.com/837qs



http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...age&meta =top
n&album=469&pos=2

http://tinyurl.com/8hr8c

In particular, we'd like to know when a ship of this type
was being built and approximately how long these types of
ships were in use.

Also, what are the odds that a ship like this would survive
in the condition shown up until 2004 on a tropical island,
factoring in that it's possible that people may have been
using the ship as a home and maintaining it for X number
of years?

By the way, are there any historical references to a ship
named "Black Rock", possibly out of Portsmouth England?

"jojo" wrote in message
m...
more like a carrack than a galleon isn't it...rounded stern and all.

I'm having a hard time finding anything.
Any possibility that "Black Rock" "portsmouth" is where the ship is from,
and not her name?
I tried googeling images of both galleons and carracks, but can't find a
single image of a ship
with her name on the back like that......

On Fri, 20 May 2005 19:30:11 GMT, "jojo"
wrote:


"jojo" wrote in message
om...
more like a carrack than a galleon isn't it...rounded stern and all.

I'm having a hard time finding anything.
Any possibility that "Black Rock" "portsmouth" is where the ship is from,
and not her name?

Um - yeah? Of course Portsmouth where is the real question.

I tried googeling images of both galleons and carracks, but can't find a
single image of a ship with her name on the back like that......

It's a very common convention and has been for about a zillion years.
Most of the time, it was reserved for commercial vessels for tax
purposes and treaty conventions.

Later,

Tom

PBM wrote:

That SEA LION evokes a much earlier era than BLACK ROCK. The extremely
high sterncastle is more like a galleon, say, 16th century. BLACK ROCK
is a relatively modern ship. My wife and I initially thought the
deadly and mysterious "others" must be the descendants of stranded
pirates.

WRT the show itself, I imagine that the BLACK ROCK's cargo will be
revealed to be at least partly composed of exotic animals. I can't
wait to find out how polar bears managed to reproduce on that tropical
island for over a century.

BTW, the "monster" on the island is an ELEPHANT!

No it isn't.

In the premiere episode, the pilot was yanked *upwards* out of the
cockpit of the plane, as if something grabbed him from above. And there
was certainly no elephant's trunk seen. The pilot's body was then
impaled atop a tree. We saw Locke face the "monster" and look upwards
at it, at an angle that indicated it must be some 20 feet high at least.
Which is consistent with the way it's able to shake whole trees. And
the footfalls of elephants aren't loud enough to be heard from hundreds
of feet away. Elephants don't do all that.

Elephants don't make the type of sounds we're hearing. The sounds we're
hearing are definitely mechanical.


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On Fri, 20 May 2005 23:12:32 GMT, "Steven L."
wrote:



PBM wrote:

That SEA LION evokes a much earlier era than BLACK ROCK. The extremely
high sterncastle is more like a galleon, say, 16th century. BLACK ROCK
is a relatively modern ship. My wife and I initially thought the
deadly and mysterious "others" must be the descendants of stranded
pirates.

WRT the show itself, I imagine that the BLACK ROCK's cargo will be
revealed to be at least partly composed of exotic animals. I can't
wait to find out how polar bears managed to reproduce on that tropical
island for over a century.

BTW, the "monster" on the island is an ELEPHANT!

No it isn't.

In the premiere episode, the pilot was yanked *upwards* out of the
cockpit of the plane, as if something grabbed him from above. And there
was certainly no elephant's trunk seen. The pilot's body was then
impaled atop a tree. We saw Locke face the "monster" and look upwards
at it, at an angle that indicated it must be some 20 feet high at least.
Which is consistent with the way it's able to shake whole trees. And
the footfalls of elephants aren't loud enough to be heard from hundreds
of feet away. Elephants don't do all that.

Elephants don't make the type of sounds we're hearing. The sounds we're
hearing are definitely mechanical.

Sounds like this guy has never seen or heard an African bull elephant.

Later,

Tom

On Fri, 20 May 2005 19:30:11 GMT, "jojo"
wrote:


"jojo" wrote in message
om...
more like a carrack than a galleon isn't it...rounded stern and all.

I'm having a hard time finding anything.
Any possibility that "Black Rock" "portsmouth" is where the ship is from,
and not her name?
I tried googeling images of both galleons and carracks, but can't find a
single image of a ship
with her name on the back like that......

The ship is neither galleon nor carrack. A carrack has no
transom, a galleon has a square stern, not a round tuck.

Peter Skelton

"Steven L." wrote in message
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The pilot's body was then impaled atop a tree.

No it wasn't.

Ed Stasiak wrote:

By the way, are there any historical references to a ship
named "Black Rock", possibly out of Portsmouth England?


Don't know about ships, but there are several locations called "Black
Rock" including:

http://www.cityqueue.com/towngovernment/RouteJ.HTML
http://ah.bfn.org/h/br/brfox/
http://www.fishvictoria.com/pyoursay...black_rock.php

Google got lots of hits.

--Charlene


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would be if men died for ideas that were true! -- H.L. Mencken


email perronnelle at earthlink . net

BTW, the "monster" on the island is an ELEPHANT!

"Steven L." wrote:
No it isn't.

In the premiere episode, the pilot was yanked *upwards* out of the
cockpit of the plane, as if something grabbed him from above. And there
was certainly no elephant's trunk seen. The pilot's body was then
impaled atop a tree. We saw Locke face the "monster" and look upwards
at it, at an angle that indicated it must be some 20 feet high at least.

I also don't think that Locke would describe an elephant as beautiful.
One comment: The pilot's body was lying across some high branches, not
impaled on the tree.

Maureen Goldman wrote:
BTW, the "monster" on the island is an ELEPHANT!


"Steven L." wrote:

No it isn't.

In the premiere episode, the pilot was yanked *upwards* out of the
cockpit of the plane, as if something grabbed him from above. And there
was certainly no elephant's trunk seen. The pilot's body was then
impaled atop a tree. We saw Locke face the "monster" and look upwards
at it, at an angle that indicated it must be some 20 feet high at least.


I also don't think that Locke would describe an elephant as beautiful.

Locke wouldn't describe a Security System as beautiful either.

However: Locke told the others "I have looked into the Eye Of The
Island--and what I saw was beautiful." He didn't say "looked at it," he
said "looked into it." When we "look into" something, we often mean
that we study it or investigate it.

So I think Locke checked over the Security System and from its workings
he learned something about TPTB on the island. Maybe TPTB even
communicated with him for the first time, thru some TV/intercom hookup.
And what he learned about TPTB was beautiful. He probably learned
what TPTB have planned for the castaways and for himself.




One comment: The pilot's body was lying across some high branches, not
impaled on the tree.


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Ed Stasiak wrote:
I was wondering if any of y'all could identify the style and
era of a wooden sailing ship shown on the TV show "Lost"?;


http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...lbum=469&pos=1

http://tinyurl.com/837qs



http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...lbum=469&pos=2

http://tinyurl.com/8hr8c

In particular, we'd like to know when a ship of this type
was being built and approximately how long these types of
ships were in use.

Also, what are the odds that a ship like this would survive
in the condition shown up until 2004 on a tropical island,
factoring in that it's possible that people may have been
using the ship as a home and maintaining it for X number
of years?

By the way, are there any historical references to a ship
named "Black Rock", possibly out of Portsmouth England?


Looks like the pirate ship from the Tampa Buccaneers stadium with about
10 minutes of kudzu growth on it.

On 20 May 2005 05:56:46 -0700, "Ed Stasiak" wrote:

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...lbum=469&pos=1

In particular, we'd like to know when a ship of this type
was being built and approximately how long these types of
ships were in use.

Square rig - any time from 1700ish to the last sailing ships. This is a
film prop, not a real ship, so there are likely to have been bits and
pieces drawn onto it from all time periods and varieties of ship.

As for survival, then what's going to damage it? Weather or encroachment
by vegetation? Some "tropical" islands have penguins on them - they're
not all lush jungles. As an example of how ships can survive in
surprising condition, look at the Great Britain down in the Falklands.
OK, it's an iron hull, but the decks and masts survived surprisingly
well too, given the weather. Those spars look like unlikely survivals
though.

As to how it got there, then it could have been washed ashore, but more
likely is that it was grounded on a sandbank and a slight change of
local sea level moved the coastline past it.

Steven L. wrote:

However: Locke told the others "I have looked into the Eye Of The
Island--and what I saw was beautiful." He didn't say "looked at it," he
said "looked into it." When we "look into" something, we often mean
that we study it or investigate it.

So if "The Island" is the name of an organization, like I theorized,
what would their "eye" be? The Eye Network, AKA CBS? Along with Black
Rock and the CBS-logo-like hatch, there seems to be quite a few
references to CBS!

Or did he look into the "I" of "The Island?" In other words, the first
letter. Perhaps he got mail?

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