On 20 May 2005 05:56:46 -0700, "Ed Stasiak" wrote:

In particular, we'd like to know when a ship of this type
was being built and approximately how long these types of
ships were in use.

It's hard to say because this is obviously a set and done more for
artistic reasons that sailing reasons. It's a composite ship with
various types of rigging and steering - Doug mentioned that the rudder
system is really something for a much larger vessel - and the sail
plan, based on the picture you provided, makes no sense in particular
for a ship of it's size.

There are a couple of tip offs that this isn't "real". For one, no
copper bottom which was common for ships that plied the tropics.
Assuming that the white part is the water line, there isnt' any tar
below the water line which was also common on small ships of that era
- think of the tar as a precursor to bottom paint.

The other thing is the lack of barnacles or other growth which you
would have seen regardless.

Also there isnt' any tumble home - the ship is pretty much slab sided
which is unlikely in a sea going vessel of it's purported vintage.

Thus, it's a set.

Also, what are the odds that a ship like this would survive
in the condition shown up until 2004 on a tropical island,
factoring in that it's possible that people may have been
using the ship as a home and maintaining it for X number
of years?

Not long. Even with the jungle growth hanging very dramatically off
the gunwales, it would trap water and being in the tropics probably
subject to torpedo worms.

Also, ships aren't meant to "sit" on land for long period of time
without collapsing. Based on the angle of the vessel it wouldn't be
long before it fell in on itself.

Consider that it would have been one hell of a storm to place this
ship in that position, it's pretty remarkable that the topsides
managed to stay in place - unlikely.

By the way, are there any historical references to a ship
named "Black Rock", possibly out of Portsmouth England?

Probably not. It's possible, but as to records, unlikely. You'd have
to use a pay service to find out and most likely they would have to
search Lloyd's of London data base.

If I had to guess, it's a back handed swipe at CBS which is also known
as Black Rock and the analogy would be ratings wreck that is CBS. Not
that it is, I don't know - just speculating. :)

Later,

Tom

On Fri, 20 May 2005 15:18:43 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

If I had to guess, it's a back handed swipe at CBS which is also known
as Black Rock and the analogy would be ratings wreck that is CBS. Not
that it is, I don't know - just speculating.

I got off the phone with a friend of mine who works in the maritime
shipping industry and has access to a lot of data bases.

As best as he can determine, there never has been a sailing vessel
named Black Rock in any navy or insured commercial service.

That dosen't mean that there wasn't one - it's not in the archives
that he has access to.

Hope that helps.

Later,

Tom

what are the words under "black rock"?


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In particular, we'd like to know when a ship of this type
was being built and approximately how long these types of
ships were in use.

Also, what are the odds that a ship like this would survive
in the condition shown up until 2004 on a tropical island,
factoring in that it's possible that people may have been
using the ship as a home and maintaining it for X number
of years?

By the way, are there any historical references to a ship
named "Black Rock", possibly out of Portsmouth England?

In article ,
"jojo" wrote:

what are the words under "black rock"?



"Portsmouth"

jojo wrote:
what are the words under "black rock"?


They are the original post because the captain of the ship "top posts" :-)



"Ed Stasiak" wrote in message
oups.com...

I was wondering if any of y'all could identify the style and
era of a wooden sailing ship shown on the TV show "Lost"?;



http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...age&meta =top
n&album=469&pos=1

http://tinyurl.com/837qs




http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...age&meta =top
n&album=469&pos=2

http://tinyurl.com/8hr8c

In particular, we'd like to know when a ship of this type
was being built and approximately how long these types of
ships were in use.

Also, what are the odds that a ship like this would survive
in the condition shown up until 2004 on a tropical island,
factoring in that it's possible that people may have been
using the ship as a home and maintaining it for X number
of years?

By the way, are there any historical references to a ship
named "Black Rock", possibly out of Portsmouth England?






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Santa Maria Class???


Whaddya think.
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On 20 May 2005 05:56:46 -0700, "Ed Stasiak" wrote:

I was wondering if any of y'all could identify the style and
era of a wooden sailing ship shown on the TV show "Lost"?;

http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...lbum=469&pos=1

http://tinyurl.com/837qs


http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...lbum=469&pos=2

http://tinyurl.com/8hr8c

In particular, we'd like to know when a ship of this type
was being built and approximately how long these types of
ships were in use.

Also, what are the odds that a ship like this would survive
in the condition shown up until 2004 on a tropical island,
factoring in that it's possible that people may have been
using the ship as a home and maintaining it for X number
of years?

By the way, are there any historical references to a ship
named "Black Rock", possibly out of Portsmouth England?

more like a carrack than a galleon isn't it...rounded stern and all.


"Ed Stasiak" wrote in message
oups.com...
I was wondering if any of y'all could identify the style and
era of a wooden sailing ship shown on the TV show "Lost"?;


http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...age&meta =top
n&album=469&pos=1

http://tinyurl.com/837qs



http://lost-media.com/modules.php?na...age&meta =top
n&album=469&pos=2

http://tinyurl.com/8hr8c

In particular, we'd like to know when a ship of this type
was being built and approximately how long these types of
ships were in use.

Also, what are the odds that a ship like this would survive
in the condition shown up until 2004 on a tropical island,
factoring in that it's possible that people may have been
using the ship as a home and maintaining it for X number
of years?

By the way, are there any historical references to a ship
named "Black Rock", possibly out of Portsmouth England?

"jojo" wrote in message
m...
more like a carrack than a galleon isn't it...rounded stern and all.

I'm having a hard time finding anything.
Any possibility that "Black Rock" "portsmouth" is where the ship is from,
and not her name?
I tried googeling images of both galleons and carracks, but can't find a
single image of a ship
with her name on the back like that......

On Fri, 20 May 2005 19:30:11 GMT, "jojo"
wrote:


"jojo" wrote in message
om...
more like a carrack than a galleon isn't it...rounded stern and all.

I'm having a hard time finding anything.
Any possibility that "Black Rock" "portsmouth" is where the ship is from,
and not her name?

Um - yeah? Of course Portsmouth where is the real question.

I tried googeling images of both galleons and carracks, but can't find a
single image of a ship with her name on the back like that......

It's a very common convention and has been for about a zillion years.
Most of the time, it was reserved for commercial vessels for tax
purposes and treaty conventions.

Later,

Tom

On Fri, 20 May 2005 19:30:11 GMT, "jojo"
wrote:


"jojo" wrote in message
om...
more like a carrack than a galleon isn't it...rounded stern and all.

I'm having a hard time finding anything.
Any possibility that "Black Rock" "portsmouth" is where the ship is from,
and not her name?
I tried googeling images of both galleons and carracks, but can't find a
single image of a ship
with her name on the back like that......

The ship is neither galleon nor carrack. A carrack has no
transom, a galleon has a square stern, not a round tuck.

Peter Skelton