On Thu, 19 May 2005 16:44:44 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
wrote:

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 12:23:33 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
wrote:

Am I right that E-TEC is available only up to 90HP? The technology does
look
compelling (I looked at the Evinrude web site) and the lack of cams,
chains,
etc. can only improve reliability. In any event, the dealers for both
boats
we are considering are definitely Yamaha shops so we have some limitations
because of warranty and service considerations.

No - E-TEC runs up to 250 hp in both fresh and sal****er versions.

If you are limited to Yamaha, then I would recommend maxing out the
boat with HPDI series Yamaha vs the four stroke.

Why do you recommend that?

1 - Because I prefer two stroke tech to four stroke.

2 - Lighter, more efficient, quicker acceleration. Pound for pound,
dollar for dollar, two strokes are more economical to run.

3 - Less maintenance.

To be fair:

1 - Four stroke tech is a proven marine engine technology..

2 - Four strokes will be quieter than the HPDI (at least in terms of
Yamaha).

3 - I believe the Yamaha four stroke engines are probably a little
cleaner burning than their HPDI.

At the risk of sounding like a yahoo, I believe the only reason four
stroke tech made such quick acceptance is that everybody owns a four
stroke engine and understands how they work. Not everybody
understands how a two cycle engine works - it's counter intuitive if
you will.

Also, all those Kawasaki/Yamaha/Bultaco motorcycles in the late
sixties with the choking blue smoke didn't make it any easier. :)

Go with what you are comfortable with - I'm not promoting anything
other than my opinion and we all know what opinions are worth.

Good luck.

Tom


Later,

Tom
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"Angling may be said to be so like the mathematics that it
can never be fully learnt..."

Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653

Tom,

I have a stupid question, being new to this and learning a lot, on 2 stroke
motors you have to mix oil in with the gas, on the new motors do you mix it
right into the gas tank and how do you figure out how much to use ?

Thanks
Ed
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 12:23:33 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
wrote:

Am I right that E-TEC is available only up to 90HP? The technology does
look
compelling (I looked at the Evinrude web site) and the lack of cams,
chains,
etc. can only improve reliability. In any event, the dealers for both
boats
we are considering are definitely Yamaha shops so we have some limitations
because of warranty and service considerations.

No - E-TEC runs up to 250 hp in both fresh and sal****er versions.

If you are limited to Yamaha, then I would recommend maxing out the
boat with HPDI series Yamaha vs the four stroke.

Later,

Tom

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 16:44:44 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
wrote:

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 19 May 2005 12:23:33 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
wrote:

Am I right that E-TEC is available only up to 90HP? The technology does
look
compelling (I looked at the Evinrude web site) and the lack of cams,
chains,
etc. can only improve reliability. In any event, the dealers for both
boats
we are considering are definitely Yamaha shops so we have some
limitations
because of warranty and service considerations.

No - E-TEC runs up to 250 hp in both fresh and sal****er versions.

If you are limited to Yamaha, then I would recommend maxing out the
boat with HPDI series Yamaha vs the four stroke.

Why do you recommend that?

1 - Because I prefer two stroke tech to four stroke.

2 - Lighter

Insignificant.
E-Tec 250: 530lb
Suzuki 250: 580 lb


more efficient,

Based on what? Fuel efficiency of the Suzuki is as good or better than the
E-tec

quicker acceleration.

Than most 4-strokes, yes. But the 16" prop and 2.29:1 gear ratio in the
Suzuki will pop a boat on plane as fast as the E-tec.


Pound for pound,
dollar for dollar, two strokes are more economical to run.


Nope. Especially when you add in the cost of the oil.

Over 300 hours of use, assuming a burn rate of 12gph, and an average oil
burn ratio of 100:1, you'll use 36 gallons of that liquid gold stuff
Bombardier sells (they call it oil). At $40/gallon, that's $1440 in
additional operating cost. The 20 hour service on my Suzuki costs $250.
The 100 hour costs $250. The 200 hour costs $500. The 300 hour costs $250
again. That's $1250. If you do it yourself (or take it to a dealer that
isn't as big a rip-off as my dealer), that cost is 1/3 to 1/2 as much.

What's the 300 hour service cost on an E-tec? Because you have to add that
to the $1440 in oil burn costs.

Anyway you slice it, the 4-stroke is cheaper to run.


3 - Less maintenance.

Yes. And this is the only reason I can see for owning an E-tec.

On Thu, 19 May 2005 20:19:23 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

Yes. And this is the only reason I can see for owning an E-tec.

You live in your world, I'll live in mine.

Later,

Tom

On Thu, 19 May 2005 12:38:43 -0700, "ed"
wrote:

Tom,

I have a stupid question, being new to this and learning a lot, on 2 stroke
motors you have to mix oil in with the gas, on the new motors do you mix it
right into the gas tank and how do you figure out how much to use ?

As to the use question, you mix it to a ratio of 50 or 100:1 depending
on the engine.

Modern two strokes use Variable Ratio Oiling or direct
injection/mixing depending on the type of fuel system. No mixing
needed.

Later,

Tom

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 20:19:23 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

Yes. And this is the only reason I can see for owning an E-tec.

You live in your world, I'll live in mine.


I do like your *boat* more though.

On Thu, 19 May 2005 20:12:05 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 20:19:23 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

Yes. And this is the only reason I can see for owning an E-tec.

You live in your world, I'll live in mine.

I do like your *boat* more though.

Which one? :)

They have finished up the bottom paint (I used a gray barrier and
white bottom - matching the paint/hull was a whole 'nother story).
There is just some finish work on the console which should be done
tomorrow and it's in the water Saturday.

About freakin' time. :)

Later,

Tom

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 20:12:05 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 20:19:23 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

Yes. And this is the only reason I can see for owning an E-tec.

You live in your world, I'll live in mine.

I do like your *boat* more though.

Which one? :)

Hint:
I don't like sal****er-wannabe boats.

On Thu, 19 May 2005 20:25:45 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 20:12:05 -0400, "NOYB" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 20:19:23 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

Yes. And this is the only reason I can see for owning an E-tec.

You live in your world, I'll live in mine.

I do like your *boat* more though.

Which one? :)

Hint:
I don't like sal****er-wannabe boats.

Ah - I take it you are disparaging my Ranger? :)

Later,

Tom