"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 May 2005 12:48:00 -0400, "Harry.Krause"
wrote:

Capt John wrote:
Your forgetting a few things. That is a hell of a lot of money for a
boat with outboards. I was at the NY boat show where they had one.
Their were lots of people that looked at the price tag and commented
"they can't be serious". And don't think for a minute that boat is
going to hold it's value. Large outboard powered boats drop fast when
the engines start getting hours on them. A thousand to fifteen hundred
hours on outboards is close to, if not the, end of the road, but a
diesel powered boat, their just getting started. By the time you equip
that boat your not that far away from a "real" boat price. Second, that
boat is not going to ride like an inboard powered boat. When the sea's
come up, that throttle is going back. And third, their's just so much
space lost to the outboards as compared to an inboard powered boat. Try
fighting a large, uncooperative fish with those outboards in the way.
Do yourself a favor, wake up, that boat is a bad idea that you'll
regret for a long time.



1. I am not planning on buying one.

2. Boats generally don't hold their value. Gradys do a bit better than
most, though 36' is new territory for the maker.

3. The old adage about diesels just getting "broken in" at 2000 hours
may still be true for the high-displacement, slow turning, naturally
aspirated, relatively low output diesels of the past, but much less so
for most of the modern diesels going into boats today. You'd have to
have two 500 hp diesels to equal the top and cruise speed performance of
these three outboards because of the extra weight of the diesels. And
those two big diesels are going to cost two and a half times as much as
these outboards.

3. With engines and fuel, this GW is going to top 16,000 pounds, I would
guess. More than enough weight for her length, and more than enough to
take on the ocean as well as other boats in her class. I am sure the
fuel tanks are forward.

4. The outboards won't be in the way of fish fighting, unless the fish
is straight down from the transom. If that happens, the captain can spin
the boat so the angler can fight the fish. And since very few sportsmen
these days bring their large sportfish aboard, tag and release can be
handled off the gunwales, as on an inboard boat.

Look, I like inboards myself, but GW is willing to gamble on the market
for its new boat. Based on the several 330s I have seen around, I'd bet
the company sells the few it plans to make each year.


Oh...forgot. With outboards, no diesel smell, no diesel puking.

Agreed. Couldn't have said it better myself.


He left out the faster top end and shallower draft offered by outboards.

"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 May 2005 12:48:00 -0400, "Harry.Krause"
wrote:


Capt John wrote:

Your forgetting a few things. That is a hell of a lot of money for a
boat with outboards. I was at the NY boat show where they had one.
Their were lots of people that looked at the price tag and commented
"they can't be serious". And don't think for a minute that boat is
going to hold it's value. Large outboard powered boats drop fast when
the engines start getting hours on them. A thousand to fifteen hundred
hours on outboards is close to, if not the, end of the road, but a
diesel powered boat, their just getting started. By the time you equip
that boat your not that far away from a "real" boat price. Second, that
boat is not going to ride like an inboard powered boat. When the sea's
come up, that throttle is going back. And third, their's just so much
space lost to the outboards as compared to an inboard powered boat. Try
fighting a large, uncooperative fish with those outboards in the way.
Do yourself a favor, wake up, that boat is a bad idea that you'll
regret for a long time.



1. I am not planning on buying one.

2. Boats generally don't hold their value. Gradys do a bit better than
most, though 36' is new territory for the maker.

3. The old adage about diesels just getting "broken in" at 2000 hours
may still be true for the high-displacement, slow turning, naturally
aspirated, relatively low output diesels of the past, but much less so
for most of the modern diesels going into boats today. You'd have to
have two 500 hp diesels to equal the top and cruise speed performance of
these three outboards because of the extra weight of the diesels. And
those two big diesels are going to cost two and a half times as much as
these outboards.

3. With engines and fuel, this GW is going to top 16,000 pounds, I would
guess. More than enough weight for her length, and more than enough to
take on the ocean as well as other boats in her class. I am sure the
fuel tanks are forward.

4. The outboards won't be in the way of fish fighting, unless the fish
is straight down from the transom. If that happens, the captain can spin
the boat so the angler can fight the fish. And since very few sportsmen
these days bring their large sportfish aboard, tag and release can be
handled off the gunwales, as on an inboard boat.

Look, I like inboards myself, but GW is willing to gamble on the market
for its new boat. Based on the several 330s I have seen around, I'd bet
the company sells the few it plans to make each year.


Oh...forgot. With outboards, no diesel smell, no diesel puking.

Agreed. Couldn't have said it better myself.



He left out the faster top end and shallower draft offered by outboards.





To take it a step farther, I wouldn't own a straight inboard that didn't
have a substantial keel structure to protect the running gear. Those fixed
props and rudders hanging down there unprotected are a bit scary to a guy
like me, who frequently finds himself in the shallows.

Agreed.

On Mon, 16 May 2005 17:42:09 -0400, "Harry.Krause"
wrote:

John H wrote:
On Mon, 16 May 2005 16:33:42 -0400, "Harry.Krause"
wrote:


John H wrote:

On Mon, 16 May 2005 12:48:00 -0400, "Harry.Krause"
wrote:



Capt John wrote:


Your forgetting a few things. That is a hell of a lot of money for a
boat with outboards. I was at the NY boat show where they had one.
Their were lots of people that looked at the price tag and commented
"they can't be serious". And don't think for a minute that boat is
going to hold it's value. Large outboard powered boats drop fast when
the engines start getting hours on them. A thousand to fifteen hundred
hours on outboards is close to, if not the, end of the road, but a
diesel powered boat, their just getting started. By the time you equip
that boat your not that far away from a "real" boat price. Second, that
boat is not going to ride like an inboard powered boat. When the sea's
come up, that throttle is going back. And third, their's just so much
space lost to the outboards as compared to an inboard powered boat. Try
fighting a large, uncooperative fish with those outboards in the way.
Do yourself a favor, wake up, that boat is a bad idea that you'll
regret for a long time.



1. I am not planning on buying one.

2. Boats generally don't hold their value. Gradys do a bit better than
most, though 36' is new territory for the maker.

3. The old adage about diesels just getting "broken in" at 2000 hours
may still be true for the high-displacement, slow turning, naturally
aspirated, relatively low output diesels of the past, but much less so
for most of the modern diesels going into boats today. You'd have to
have two 500 hp diesels to equal the top and cruise speed performance of
these three outboards because of the extra weight of the diesels. And
those two big diesels are going to cost two and a half times as much as
these outboards.

3. With engines and fuel, this GW is going to top 16,000 pounds, I would
guess. More than enough weight for her length, and more than enough to
take on the ocean as well as other boats in her class. I am sure the
fuel tanks are forward.

4. The outboards won't be in the way of fish fighting, unless the fish
is straight down from the transom. If that happens, the captain can spin
the boat so the angler can fight the fish. And since very few sportsmen
these days bring their large sportfish aboard, tag and release can be
handled off the gunwales, as on an inboard boat.

Look, I like inboards myself, but GW is willing to gamble on the market
for its new boat. Based on the several 330s I have seen around, I'd bet
the company sells the few it plans to make each year.


Oh...forgot. With outboards, no diesel smell, no diesel puking.


Nice post, Harry. Informative and not in any way political or full of
name-calling.

I would love to have the GW 228. To me it's got just the right amount of room
for three people to fish and has all the amenities needed for a nice day with
wife and grandkids. Plus it doesn't cost as much as a nice house in Solomon's!


Have you looked at the other side of Solomons? Across the bridge?
Towards Point Lookout? I drove out to Point Lookout last year, just to
see what the heck it looked like from the shore. I saw some really nice
wooded neighborhoods with home prices less than what was being sought in
Calvert County. You have to get some few miles past the NAS, though.

You would not believe the prices along the Pax River. They're worse than
the prices for nice houses with land along the ICW in NE Florida. And
the fishing isn't nearly as good.




Actually I was thinking more of the Lexington Park area, or north (Hollywood or
California). There are some developments going in down there with some nice
looking places (at least on the internet) in the $300,000 range. If the wife and
I sell this place and get something like that, I'd be able to afford the GW I
like! And, I'd be close to all that good fishing in the lower part of the bay!

The big disadvantage would be the distance from the kids. The Naval Station has
nice facilities, which is also a plus.



Well, Lexington Park is too close to the naval base for my taste (noise
and traffic), and the little area of California right under the bridge
is ok, EXCEPT that it is right under the bridge. That's why I was
thinking closer to Point Lookout. The shopping is OK in Lex Park, but
there aren't too many decent restaurants, if you like variety of food.
My wife likes to shop at the Target there. If you head in the other
direction once you get over the bridge, towards Hughesville, there are
some reasonably price houses, and some are very close to the Pax River.

The Boatel California, by the way, seems to be a decent operation. I
checked it out last year. I don't remember what it charged. Probably
similar to what you are paying now. The fishing is much, much better in
that area -bay and river - than what you have up near Deale.

It's a haul from Solomons to the Beltway, no doubt about it. We're not
down nearly that far. I take a commuter bus from our house to 17th and
K, and it takes about 70 minutes in rush hour.

The Boatel California, for the boatel, is actually about $400 a year cheaper
than I'm paying now. The problem with Point Lookout (or closer to it) is just
that it increases the driving distance for the kids. One is in Richmond, and the
other is in Bealeton. But maybe I'm just worrying too much about the kids.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Mon, 16 May 2005 18:26:34 -0400, "Bert Robbins" wrote:


"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Mon, 16 May 2005 12:48:00 -0400, "Harry.Krause"

wrote:


Capt John wrote:

Your forgetting a few things. That is a hell of a lot of money for a
boat with outboards. I was at the NY boat show where they had one.
Their were lots of people that looked at the price tag and commented
"they can't be serious". And don't think for a minute that boat is
going to hold it's value. Large outboard powered boats drop fast when
the engines start getting hours on them. A thousand to fifteen hundred
hours on outboards is close to, if not the, end of the road, but a
diesel powered boat, their just getting started. By the time you equip
that boat your not that far away from a "real" boat price. Second, that
boat is not going to ride like an inboard powered boat. When the sea's
come up, that throttle is going back. And third, their's just so much
space lost to the outboards as compared to an inboard powered boat. Try
fighting a large, uncooperative fish with those outboards in the way.
Do yourself a favor, wake up, that boat is a bad idea that you'll
regret for a long time.



1. I am not planning on buying one.

2. Boats generally don't hold their value. Gradys do a bit better than
most, though 36' is new territory for the maker.

3. The old adage about diesels just getting "broken in" at 2000 hours may
still be true for the high-displacement, slow turning, naturally
aspirated, relatively low output diesels of the past, but much less so
for most of the modern diesels going into boats today. You'd have to have
two 500 hp diesels to equal the top and cruise speed performance of these
three outboards because of the extra weight of the diesels. And those two
big diesels are going to cost two and a half times as much as these
outboards.

3. With engines and fuel, this GW is going to top 16,000 pounds, I would
guess. More than enough weight for her length, and more than enough to
take on the ocean as well as other boats in her class. I am sure the fuel
tanks are forward.

4. The outboards won't be in the way of fish fighting, unless the fish is
straight down from the transom. If that happens, the captain can spin the
boat so the angler can fight the fish. And since very few sportsmen these
days bring their large sportfish aboard, tag and release can be handled
off the gunwales, as on an inboard boat.

Look, I like inboards myself, but GW is willing to gamble on the market
for its new boat. Based on the several 330s I have seen around, I'd bet
the company sells the few it plans to make each year.


Oh...forgot. With outboards, no diesel smell, no diesel puking.


Nice post, Harry. Informative and not in any way political or full of
name-calling. I would love to have the GW 228. To me it's got just the
right amount of room
for three people to fish and has all the amenities needed for a nice day
with
wife and grandkids. Plus it doesn't cost as much as a nice house in
Solomon's!


Have you looked at the other side of Solomons? Across the bridge? Towards
Point Lookout? I drove out to Point Lookout last year, just to see what
the heck it looked like from the shore. I saw some really nice wooded
neighborhoods with home prices less than what was being sought in Calvert
County. You have to get some few miles past the NAS, though.

You would not believe the prices along the Pax River. They're worse than
the prices for nice houses with land along the ICW in NE Florida. And the
fishing isn't nearly as good.

One problem with property, on the waterfront, in St. Mary's is that if there
is an existing structure you can't tear it down and build one with a bigger
foot print. This is prevent the McMansions from popping up along the
waterfront.


I'm not all that worried about waterfront property. It's a little more than I'd
want to spend anyway. I'd have to be so far up the Pax that I'd never get to the
bay.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"John H" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 May 2005 18:26:34 -0400, "Bert Robbins" wrote:


"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Mon, 16 May 2005 12:48:00 -0400, "Harry.Krause"

wrote:


Capt John wrote:

Your forgetting a few things. That is a hell of a lot of money for a
boat with outboards. I was at the NY boat show where they had one.
Their were lots of people that looked at the price tag and commented
"they can't be serious". And don't think for a minute that boat is
going to hold it's value. Large outboard powered boats drop fast when
the engines start getting hours on them. A thousand to fifteen hundred
hours on outboards is close to, if not the, end of the road, but a
diesel powered boat, their just getting started. By the time you equip
that boat your not that far away from a "real" boat price. Second,
that
boat is not going to ride like an inboard powered boat. When the sea's
come up, that throttle is going back. And third, their's just so much
space lost to the outboards as compared to an inboard powered boat.
Try
fighting a large, uncooperative fish with those outboards in the way.
Do yourself a favor, wake up, that boat is a bad idea that you'll
regret for a long time.



1. I am not planning on buying one.

2. Boats generally don't hold their value. Gradys do a bit better than
most, though 36' is new territory for the maker.

3. The old adage about diesels just getting "broken in" at 2000 hours
may
still be true for the high-displacement, slow turning, naturally
aspirated, relatively low output diesels of the past, but much less so
for most of the modern diesels going into boats today. You'd have to
have
two 500 hp diesels to equal the top and cruise speed performance of
these
three outboards because of the extra weight of the diesels. And those
two
big diesels are going to cost two and a half times as much as these
outboards.

3. With engines and fuel, this GW is going to top 16,000 pounds, I
would
guess. More than enough weight for her length, and more than enough to
take on the ocean as well as other boats in her class. I am sure the
fuel
tanks are forward.

4. The outboards won't be in the way of fish fighting, unless the fish
is
straight down from the transom. If that happens, the captain can spin
the
boat so the angler can fight the fish. And since very few sportsmen
these
days bring their large sportfish aboard, tag and release can be handled
off the gunwales, as on an inboard boat.

Look, I like inboards myself, but GW is willing to gamble on the market
for its new boat. Based on the several 330s I have seen around, I'd bet
the company sells the few it plans to make each year.


Oh...forgot. With outboards, no diesel smell, no diesel puking.


Nice post, Harry. Informative and not in any way political or full of
name-calling. I would love to have the GW 228. To me it's got just the
right amount of room
for three people to fish and has all the amenities needed for a nice
day
with
wife and grandkids. Plus it doesn't cost as much as a nice house in
Solomon's!


Have you looked at the other side of Solomons? Across the bridge?
Towards
Point Lookout? I drove out to Point Lookout last year, just to see what
the heck it looked like from the shore. I saw some really nice wooded
neighborhoods with home prices less than what was being sought in
Calvert
County. You have to get some few miles past the NAS, though.

You would not believe the prices along the Pax River. They're worse than
the prices for nice houses with land along the ICW in NE Florida. And
the
fishing isn't nearly as good.

One problem with property, on the waterfront, in St. Mary's is that if
there
is an existing structure you can't tear it down and build one with a
bigger
foot print. This is prevent the McMansions from popping up along the
waterfront.


I'm not all that worried about waterfront property. It's a little more
than I'd
want to spend anyway. I'd have to be so far up the Pax that I'd never get
to the
bay.

The property I covet is owned by my aunt and uncle. It has 180' on the
Potomac, 8 miles from the bay. There is a dock with boat lift and sand
beach. The house was originally built with cinderblock and was expanded in
the mid '70's and built by the local Amish.

I have offered him what he paid for it many times but he just laughs.

On Mon, 16 May 2005 20:36:31 -0400, "Bert Robbins" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 16 May 2005 18:26:34 -0400, "Bert Robbins" wrote:


"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Mon, 16 May 2005 12:48:00 -0400, "Harry.Krause"

wrote:


Capt John wrote:

Your forgetting a few things. That is a hell of a lot of money for a
boat with outboards. I was at the NY boat show where they had one.
Their were lots of people that looked at the price tag and commented
"they can't be serious". And don't think for a minute that boat is
going to hold it's value. Large outboard powered boats drop fast when
the engines start getting hours on them. A thousand to fifteen hundred
hours on outboards is close to, if not the, end of the road, but a
diesel powered boat, their just getting started. By the time you equip
that boat your not that far away from a "real" boat price. Second,
that
boat is not going to ride like an inboard powered boat. When the sea's
come up, that throttle is going back. And third, their's just so much
space lost to the outboards as compared to an inboard powered boat.
Try
fighting a large, uncooperative fish with those outboards in the way.
Do yourself a favor, wake up, that boat is a bad idea that you'll
regret for a long time.



1. I am not planning on buying one.

2. Boats generally don't hold their value. Gradys do a bit better than
most, though 36' is new territory for the maker.

3. The old adage about diesels just getting "broken in" at 2000 hours
may
still be true for the high-displacement, slow turning, naturally
aspirated, relatively low output diesels of the past, but much less so
for most of the modern diesels going into boats today. You'd have to
have
two 500 hp diesels to equal the top and cruise speed performance of
these
three outboards because of the extra weight of the diesels. And those
two
big diesels are going to cost two and a half times as much as these
outboards.

3. With engines and fuel, this GW is going to top 16,000 pounds, I
would
guess. More than enough weight for her length, and more than enough to
take on the ocean as well as other boats in her class. I am sure the
fuel
tanks are forward.

4. The outboards won't be in the way of fish fighting, unless the fish
is
straight down from the transom. If that happens, the captain can spin
the
boat so the angler can fight the fish. And since very few sportsmen
these
days bring their large sportfish aboard, tag and release can be handled
off the gunwales, as on an inboard boat.

Look, I like inboards myself, but GW is willing to gamble on the market
for its new boat. Based on the several 330s I have seen around, I'd bet
the company sells the few it plans to make each year.


Oh...forgot. With outboards, no diesel smell, no diesel puking.


Nice post, Harry. Informative and not in any way political or full of
name-calling. I would love to have the GW 228. To me it's got just the
right amount of room
for three people to fish and has all the amenities needed for a nice
day
with
wife and grandkids. Plus it doesn't cost as much as a nice house in
Solomon's!


Have you looked at the other side of Solomons? Across the bridge?
Towards
Point Lookout? I drove out to Point Lookout last year, just to see what
the heck it looked like from the shore. I saw some really nice wooded
neighborhoods with home prices less than what was being sought in
Calvert
County. You have to get some few miles past the NAS, though.

You would not believe the prices along the Pax River. They're worse than
the prices for nice houses with land along the ICW in NE Florida. And
the
fishing isn't nearly as good.

One problem with property, on the waterfront, in St. Mary's is that if
there
is an existing structure you can't tear it down and build one with a
bigger
foot print. This is prevent the McMansions from popping up along the
waterfront.


I'm not all that worried about waterfront property. It's a little more
than I'd
want to spend anyway. I'd have to be so far up the Pax that I'd never get
to the
bay.

The property I covet is owned by my aunt and uncle. It has 180' on the
Potomac, 8 miles from the bay. There is a dock with boat lift and sand
beach. The house was originally built with cinderblock and was expanded in
the mid '70's and built by the local Amish.

I have offered him what he paid for it many times but he just laughs.


Whereabouts do you live, Bert? (It seems like I've asked you this before, is it
Richmond?)
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"John H" wrote in message
...

The property I covet is owned by my aunt and uncle. It has 180' on the
Potomac, 8 miles from the bay. There is a dock with boat lift and sand
beach. The house was originally built with cinderblock and was expanded in
the mid '70's and built by the local Amish.

I have offered him what he paid for it many times but he just laughs.


Whereabouts do you live, Bert? (It seems like I've asked you this before,
is it
Richmond?)

Gaithersburg.

On your point number two, check the resale on their twin engine powered
boats 25 feet and larger after ten years, their a hard sell. The cost
of repower makes them hard to justify.

On number three, with the exception of very high Hp to weight engines
you can still expect to get high hours out of just about all diesels
today. Look at the extended warrenty periods, five years is not
uncommon. How long can you expect them to back an outboard? And
outboards have had very checkered past when pushing heavy boats, if
your running in heavy seas frequently, at less say 4000 RPM, those
engines are hurting themselves.

On your second number three, much of the desirable sea keeping ability
of an inboard is derived from that shaft angle that you point out. That
tends to keep the hull in the water, as you flatten that angle out they
start comming out of the water at the top of waves. This is one of the
reasons that outboards are fast on flat days and very slow on the not
so nice ones. You see the outboard boats, some of them good size, lined
up like a mother duck with her ducklings behind bigger boats, they just
can't run in a good sea without beating you up. This boat will be the
same, your just paying a lot more for the beating.

If you think the outboards won't be a problem you've never fought a big
fish. A boat like this will be used for large game fish like Tuna and
billfish. Tuna are straight up and down fighters, this is even more so
with Bluefins. With billfish, the real fun starts when they get near
the boat, and you have to be able to change positions fast, outboards
get in the way. As far as tag and release, most anglers are using
larger tackle to "land" fish they intend to release in good condition.
Light tackle tends to lower the chances of the fish being released in
good shape, they just don't survive as often. The only problem with the
larger tackle, the fish tend to come to the boat very green, making
them even more difficult to handle boat side. The engines get in the
way even more so on a green fish fighting for it's life. Can it be
done, yes, but for almost the same money you can get a better boat with
more fishing room, easier to fish from, better ride, better resale,
burn less fuel and be faster on those nasty days.

As far as puking, it wouldn't be fishing if someone isn't hanging over
the side at some point in the day Half the fun is trying to figure out
early on who it'll be.

On Tue, 17 May 2005 12:47:21 -0400, "Harry.Krause"
wrote:

Capt John wrote:
On your point number two, check the resale on their twin engine powered
boats 25 feet and larger after ten years, their a hard sell. The cost
of repower makes them hard to justify.

On number three, with the exception of very high Hp to weight engines
you can still expect to get high hours out of just about all diesels
today. Look at the extended warrenty periods, five years is not
uncommon. How long can you expect them to back an outboard? And
outboards have had very checkered past when pushing heavy boats, if
your running in heavy seas frequently, at less say 4000 RPM, those
engines are hurting themselves.

On your second number three, much of the desirable sea keeping ability
of an inboard is derived from that shaft angle that you point out. That
tends to keep the hull in the water, as you flatten that angle out they
start comming out of the water at the top of waves. This is one of the
reasons that outboards are fast on flat days and very slow on the not
so nice ones. You see the outboard boats, some of them good size, lined
up like a mother duck with her ducklings behind bigger boats, they just
can't run in a good sea without beating you up. This boat will be the
same, your just paying a lot more for the beating.

If you think the outboards won't be a problem you've never fought a big
fish. A boat like this will be used for large game fish like Tuna and
billfish. Tuna are straight up and down fighters, this is even more so
with Bluefins. With billfish, the real fun starts when they get near
the boat, and you have to be able to change positions fast, outboards
get in the way. As far as tag and release, most anglers are using
larger tackle to "land" fish they intend to release in good condition.
Light tackle tends to lower the chances of the fish being released in
good shape, they just don't survive as often. The only problem with the
larger tackle, the fish tend to come to the boat very green, making
them even more difficult to handle boat side. The engines get in the
way even more so on a green fish fighting for it's life. Can it be
done, yes, but for almost the same money you can get a better boat with
more fishing room, easier to fish from, better ride, better resale,
burn less fuel and be faster on those nasty days.

As far as puking, it wouldn't be fishing if someone isn't hanging over
the side at some point in the day Half the fun is trying to figure out
early on who it'll be.



Whatever floats your boats. I've been fishing for large and small
species for 50 years, on outboards, inboards, I/O's, rowboats, canoes,
kayaks and inflatables. I adapt my techniques to accommodate the boat I
am on, and rarely run into problems because of the type of drive it has.

Once when fishing for big species, we caught something, felt like a
large shark, that went under the boat and did its best to stay there,
until it used the inboard props or rudders to saw through the line. On
an outboard boat, I would have raised the lower units completely out of
the water.

Sorry, I really don't see outboards as a problem in fishing.

They aren't a problem - never have been.

Later,

Tom

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"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
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Last week, Gene mentioned Grady-White's new 36' Express, which sounded
like one hell of a boat. Well, my friendly neighborhood GW dealer has
one in stock, sitting up in its yard. Trip Yamaha 250 four cycles.

It is an amazing boat, and even more amazing is the fact that the dealer
ordered it on spec. He's dropping it into the water this weekend, if the
weather is good, and predicts that it will be sold by next Monday.

About $380k as equipped from the factory, and a guess of another $40,000
for electronics. I don't know if it is standard, but this one had a bow
thruster, the first I've ever seen on a Grady.

A great ride for the bucks, and a good buy, when you consider what other
big-time 36-foot express style fishing boats are going with twin
diesels.


Way overpriced, like most GW's. Even at list price you only have $54k in
the motors. That leaves $325k for the boat itself. Better be a really
nicely layed out and constructed boat. When a diesel in that size goes
for the same or a little less, and you are looking at 60-80k for power.
But since they have the GW name, they will sell the overpriced unit.


I have not seen the boat in question, but as for GWs being overpriced I do
not agree. I have been doing a lot of boat shopping and and boat that is
significantly cheaper than GW for the same size and power is markedly
inferior in quality of hardware, amenities, storage space, and design. You
do pay more for a GW than most other boats but you definitely do get
something for that $$. If those things are not important to you then the
boat will seem overpriced. To others it will seem otherwise. Sort of like
comparing a Chevy and a BMW.


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Peter Aitken
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No like comparing a diesel sportsfisher to an outboard. There are some
really nice, extremely good fit and finish boats out there. And GW's are
going on name for an extra 50-100k. The 360 Express hull is not worth 325k.