On 13 May 2005 18:11:39 -0700, wrote:

Silverton 39 Motoryacht, Northwest Edition

I keep one of these at my waterfront home on lake Erie.

That home also has a long paved deriveway.
Me and the wife
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/harkra...bum?.dir=/1323

On Sun, 15 May 2005 17:31:19 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote:

A couple of them around the SF bay area. Looks like a long way to the water
from the fishing deck, especially in the bow area. Harder to land fish if
you are by yourself, would be extremely hard.

I know what I think - I'd really like to see Chuck's opinion by
comparison.

Later,

Tom

On 14 May 2005 20:46:46 -0700, wrote:

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder- one man's dreamboat is another's
derelict scow. :-)

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Try taking it out in a 3 or 4 foot beam sea, or try backing it into a
tight slip in a 20 kt crosswind. The dream boat will become a
nightmare in no time at all. It's just a futt bugly dock condo queen
for fair weather sunset cruises. One of my neighbors just sold a
Mainship 37 motor yacht. Same basic concept, 45 feet of boat packed
into a 37 foot LOA thanks to lots of vertical stacking. Also a good
functional design for living at the dock, but totally ugly and totally
unseaworthy.

On Mon, 16 May 2005 05:57:00 -0400, "Harry.Krause"
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On 14 May 2005 20:46:46 -0700, wrote:

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder- one man's dreamboat is another's
derelict scow. :-)


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Try taking it out in a 3 or 4 foot beam sea, or try backing it into a
tight slip in a 20 kt crosswind. The dream boat will become a
nightmare in no time at all. It's just a futt bugly dock condo queen
for fair weather sunset cruises. One of my neighbors just sold a
Mainship 37 motor yacht. Same basic concept, 45 feet of boat packed
into a 37 foot LOA thanks to lots of vertical stacking. Also a good
functional design for living at the dock, but totally ugly and totally
unseaworthy.



Well, there are several posters in this newsgroup to whom a wedding cake
boat is appealing, because when they actually own a boat, they don't
leave the dock much, and prefer, instead, to head to the boat for a few
pops, or to run out of the marina to the nearest swimming hole, but only
in fair weather. They like condo queen boats.

Another superb contribution to group harmony by our resident 'on topic' expert.
The thread, started by Chuck, is about *boats*, Harry!.

Chuck, if you've made it this far, please do the Glacier Bay article.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Try taking it out in a 3 or 4 foot beam sea, or try backing it into a
tight slip in a 20 kt crosswind.

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Windage is an issue on a boat like this, to the point where some of us
wouldn't even attempt to back into a slip in a stiff crosswind. Going
in bow first may look less glamorous and makes it harder to serve
cocktails over the transom, but it does leave the business end of the
boat out where it can do some good rather than wedged between two
floats, or a float and an adjacent boat- with the bow still blowing
down the fairway.

The increasing popularity of these high profile designs from many
different manufacturers
probably explains some of the rapidly growing demand for bow and stern
thrusters. Some builders are putting bow *and* stern thrusters on
everything medium size and above.

Don't draw your entire conclusion on this boat from the superstructure,
it's a lot less flat-bottomed than much of its competition and should
prove adequately capable in conditions under which most pleasure
boaters would consider leaving the dock, (or remain out in if
conditions changed).

At least up this way, you'll see entire marinas full of
pleasure boats of all descriptions waiting out uninviting conditions in
the Strait of Juan de Fuca or the Strait of Georgia. We're a bunch of
wussies who won't put out into relatively open water with moderate
little 25-knot breezes blowing. On days like that, it really doesn't
matter whether you've got a "wedding cake" boat or a stabilized full
displacement tuna troller- everybody with a choice (and that's really
nearly all) remains in port.

Try taking it out in a 3 or 4 foot beam sea, or try backing it into a
tight slip in a 20 kt crosswind.



wrote:
Windage is an issue on a boat like this, to the point where some of us
wouldn't even attempt to back into a slip in a stiff crosswind. Going
in bow first may look less glamorous and makes it harder to serve
cocktails over the transom, but it does leave the business end of the
boat out where it can do some good rather than wedged between two
floats, or a float and an adjacent boat- with the bow still blowing
down the fairway.

Another docking issue, rarely addressed, is accessibility of the crew
and/or dock hands to the lines, cleats, pilings, etc etc. One reason why
I don't like 'wedding cake' style boats... or even sundecks... is that
line handling is a big problem.




The increasing popularity of these high profile designs from many
different manufacturers
probably explains some of the rapidly growing demand for bow and stern
thrusters.

Interesting point. Probably true.

Although the counterpoint is that boats are more reliable and easier to
handle than they were 20+ years ago. Design has progressed a bit, and a
modern boat (all else being equal) is going to be much easier... add an
awkard superstructure, you just even things up a bit



Don't draw your entire conclusion on this boat from the superstructure,
it's a lot less flat-bottomed than much of its competition and should
prove adequately capable in conditions under which most pleasure
boaters would consider leaving the dock, (or remain out in if
conditions changed).

At least up this way, you'll see entire marinas full of
pleasure boats of all descriptions waiting out uninviting conditions in
the Strait of Juan de Fuca or the Strait of Georgia. We're a bunch of
wussies who won't put out into relatively open water with moderate
little 25-knot breezes blowing. On days like that, it really doesn't
matter whether you've got a "wedding cake" boat or a stabilized full
displacement tuna troller- everybody with a choice (and that's really
nearly all) remains in port.


True. But the guys with the really salty Cape Horn type boat like to
claim bragging rights. This tendency is even more noticable in
sailboats. The heavy displacement super-seaworthy types are usually seen
motoring up & down the ICW in fair weather, the only ones who go out
when it's dirty weather are the racers... universally regarded as crazy...

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

On 16 May 2005 09:31:46 -0700, wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

Windage is an issue on a boat like this, to the point where some of us
wouldn't even attempt to back into a slip in a stiff crosswind.

Which is one reason I stayed away from those boats when "we" sold the
last Contender and bought the new one. My wife wanted a floating
house, but was amazed when she saw somebody try to dock a big Carver
in a cross wind - it wasn't a pretty site even with me and one other
guy trying to help with dock lines.

That convinced her in a hurry.

Later,

Tom

On Mon, 16 May 2005 12:44:29 -0400, DSK wrote:

the only ones who go out
when it's dirty weather are the racers... universally regarded as crazy...

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Sailboat racers and serious fishermen, it's hard to tell who is worse.
I've seen 3 or 4 fishermen out in row boats in December when even the
racers have hung it up for the winter. When I was racing my old
Cal-34 on Long Island Sound, we once headed out through Stamford
breakwater on a day it was blowing 35+ kts. As we went out under
double reefed main, a 100 ft tug boat was headed in. The captain of
the tug yelled out to us that we were crazier than he was. It was a
tough day but nothing we hadn't seen before. Fortunately the race
committee finally came to their senses and cancelled.