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Four US soldiers charged with abuse of Iraqi POWs
Our local newsgroup imperialist Empress Otku claimed that we liberated
Iraqis from human rights abuses. Turns out that it is difficult to rule an occupied country without human rights abuses... A highlight from a report on American torture chambers: Aballey was hooded and handcuffed and made to stand or kneel facing a wall for nearly eight days while he was being interrogated, the report said. He suffered from sleep deprivation because a bright light was placed next to his head while distorted music was booming from lounspeakers, according to the document. His knees bled, and one his leg swell to the size of a football, while his father was held in the cell next to him and could hear his son's screams, the report said. Full article follows. i In article , AFP / Maxim Kniazkov wrote: WASHINGTON, July 26 (AFP) - Four US soldiers serving in Iraq have been charged with abuse of Iraqi prisoners of war and are awaiting a decision on whether they will face a court-martial, a defense official said Saturday. The charges mark the first time US personnel have been formally accused of mistreating Iraqi prisoners since the beginning of the US-led invasion of Iraq on March 20, the official said. The names of the soldiers have not been released, but they are reported to belong to a military police unit that helped guard prisoners at Camp Bucca, near the southern Iraqi city of Umm Qasr, last May. "They have been charged with Article 32, which is basically like a grand jury in civilian terms, based on an investigation into allegations of mistreatment of POWs," Lieutenant Commander Nick Balice, a spokesman for the US Central Command, told AFP. The charges are based on an incident that occurred at the POW camp on May 12, the nature of which Balice would not disclose. But other sources indicated the soldiers, two of whom are said to be women, are alleged to have used unwarranted physical force against the prisoners. Under Article 32 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, a commander of the unit where the alleged infraction occurred must have -- together with military prosecutors -- a hearing to review evidence and recommend a further course of action, according to defense officials. "Certainly, there are several things that could happen," Balice explained. "It could be dismissed. It could be some other form of disciplinary action. Or it could a court-martial. It all depends on the determination." He said no date for the hearing has been set. The announcement of the charges came three days after the human rights group Amnesty International issued a scathing report, saying it had collected many allegation torture or ill-treatment by US-led coalition forces in Iraq. Iraqi inmates held at various US-run detention centers are subjected prolonged hooding, sleep deprivation, restraint in painful positions -- sometimes combined with exposure to loud music and bright light, according to the document compiled by Amnesty monitors who have been working in Iraq since late April. The monitors pointed, among others, to the case of 39-year-old Khreisan Khalis Aballey and his 80-year-old father, who were arrested at their home on April 30. Aballey was hooded and handcuffed and made to stand or kneel facing a wall for nearly eight days while he was being interrogated, the report said. He suffered from sleep deprivation because a bright light was placed next to his head while distorted music was booming from lounspeakers, according to the document. His knees bled, and one his leg swell to the size of a football, while his father was held in the cell next to him and could hear his son's screams, the report said. "Many of the coalition soldiers and military police engaged in law enforcement do not have basic skills and tools in civilian policing or to be aware of the law they are supposed to be applying," said Curt Goering, one of Amnesty's monitors. mk/aln US-Iraq-justice |
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Four US soldiers charged with abuse of Iraqi POWs
On 27 Jul 2003 19:24:07 GMT, Ignoramus30984
wrote: Our local newsgroup imperialist Empress Otku claimed that we liberated Iraqis from human rights abuses. Kiss my hem when you say that! Turns out that it is difficult to rule an occupied country without human rights abuses... You seem to be missing the most obvious point of the article: we prosecute our soldiers for that kind of behavior, rather than institutionalize it. ~Ding Dong Udai and Qusai are Dead! P.S. You'll get no more replies from me on this one, Igor, you..., you..., you commie crossposter, you! |
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Four US soldiers charged with abuse of Iraqi POWs
In article , AFP / Maxim Kniazkov wrote: WASHINGTON, July 26 (AFP) - Four US soldiers serving in Iraq have been charged with abuse of Iraqi prisoners of war and are awaiting a decision on whether they will face a court-martial, a defense official said Saturday. The charges mark the first time US personnel have been formally accused of mistreating Iraqi prisoners since the beginning of the US-led invasion of Iraq on March 20, the official said. The names of the soldiers have not been released, but they are reported to belong to a military police unit that helped guard prisoners at Camp Bucca, near the southern Iraqi city of Umm Qasr, last May. "They have been charged with Article 32, which is basically like a grand jury in civilian terms, based on an investigation into allegations of mistreatment of POWs," Lieutenant Commander Nick Balice, a spokesman for the US Central Command, told AFP. The charges are based on an incident that occurred at the POW camp on May 12, the nature of which Balice would not disclose. But other sources indicated the soldiers, two of whom are said to be women, are alleged to have used unwarranted physical force against the prisoners. Under Article 32 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, a commander of the unit where the alleged infraction occurred must have -- together with military prosecutors -- a hearing to review evidence and recommend a further course of action, according to defense officials. "Certainly, there are several things that could happen," Balice explained. "It could be dismissed. It could be some other form of disciplinary action. Or it could a court-martial. It all depends on the determination." OR... they could be transfered to Guantanamo where they are allowed, nay, expected, to do just these sorts of things. He said no date for the hearing has been set. The announcement of the charges came three days after the human rights group Amnesty International issued a scathing report, saying it had collected many allegation torture or ill-treatment by US-led coalition forces in Iraq. Iraqi inmates held at various US-run detention centers are subjected prolonged hooding, sleep deprivation, restraint in painful positions -- sometimes combined with exposure to loud music and bright light, according to the document compiled by Amnesty monitors who have been working in Iraq since late April. The monitors pointed, among others, to the case of 39-year-old Khreisan Khalis Aballey and his 80-year-old father, who were arrested at their home on April 30. Aballey was hooded and handcuffed and made to stand or kneel facing a wall for nearly eight days while he was being interrogated, the report said. He suffered from sleep deprivation because a bright light was placed next to his head while distorted music was booming from lounspeakers, according to the document. His knees bled, and one his leg swell to the size of a football, while his father was held in the cell next to him and could hear his son's screams, the report said. "Many of the coalition soldiers and military police engaged in law enforcement do not have basic skills and tools in civilian policing or to be aware of the law they are supposed to be applying," said Curt Goering, one of Amnesty's monitors. mk/aln |
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Four US soldiers charged with abuse of Iraqi POWs
On 27 Jul 2003 19:24:07 GMT, Ignoramus30984
wrote: Our local newsgroup imperialist Empress Otku claimed that we liberated Iraqis from human rights abuses. Turns out that it is difficult to rule an occupied country without human rights abuses... A highlight from a report on American torture chambers: now let me get this straight... we ARRESTED these soldiers and he's complaining that their actions were CONDONED?? gee...i guess he thinks that when a city cop shoots a bank robber, the robber views that as a badge of honor the far left's logic defies normal human understanding... In article , AFP / Maxim Kniazkov wrote: WASHINGTON, July 26 (AFP) - Four US soldiers serving in Iraq have been charged with abuse of Iraqi prisoners of war as i said, they were arrested...doesnt sound like it's exactly american policy to torture... moron. --------------------------- to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com" and enter 'wf3h' in the field |
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Four US soldiers charged with abuse of Iraqi POWs
We've got 150,000 troops in Iraq.
If 1% of that number are sadists (which is probably not a high percentage in a military organization), those 1500 guys and gals can do a lot of damage. Comparing/excusing our actions because somebody else has done worse in the past is lame. You'd think we'd want to aspire to set the standard for the most humane treatment of prisoners, not just double check to make sure we hadn't slipped all the way to last place. :-) But what should we expect? Nothing different, really. This is a hostile "preemptive" invasion, not a tea party. When you dehumanize the enemy to help motivate the troops, it can't be too shocking when there are scattered instances of prisoners being treated as though they are subhuman. |
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Four US soldiers charged with abuse of Iraqi POWs
Um, does the rubbish below somehow exonerate American torturers?
i In article , Hudsucker Industries wrote: It's funny that sleep deprivation and prolonged standing is considered "torture" when compared with the way the Iraqis interrogated their Kuwaiti prisoners: They have the man sit in the chair (tied) while soldiers rape his wife/children, then cut their heads off. Then they stick electrical probes in the man's anus/mouth and electrocute him slowly until he dies--they really don't need answers, after all--it's all for their fun. Please, get a life liberal journalists. Sorry for the rant. Rob "Ignoramus30984" wrote in message a.com... Our local newsgroup imperialist Empress Otku claimed that we liberated Iraqis from human rights abuses. Turns out that it is difficult to rule an occupied country without human rights abuses... A highlight from a report on American torture chambers: Aballey was hooded and handcuffed and made to stand or kneel facing a wall for nearly eight days while he was being interrogated, the report said. He suffered from sleep deprivation because a bright light was placed next to his head while distorted music was booming from lounspeakers, according to the document. His knees bled, and one his leg swell to the size of a football, while his father was held in the cell next to him and could hear his son's screams, the report said. Full article follows. i In article , AFP / Maxim Kniazkov wrote: WASHINGTON, July 26 (AFP) - Four US soldiers serving in Iraq have been charged with abuse of Iraqi prisoners of war and are awaiting a decision on whether they will face a court-martial, a defense official said Saturday. The charges mark the first time US personnel have been formally accused of mistreating Iraqi prisoners since the beginning of the US-led invasion of Iraq on March 20, the official said. The names of the soldiers have not been released, but they are reported to belong to a military police unit that helped guard prisoners at Camp Bucca, near the southern Iraqi city of Umm Qasr, last May. "They have been charged with Article 32, which is basically like a grand jury in civilian terms, based on an investigation into allegations of mistreatment of POWs," Lieutenant Commander Nick Balice, a spokesman for the US Central Command, told AFP. The charges are based on an incident that occurred at the POW camp on May 12, the nature of which Balice would not disclose. But other sources indicated the soldiers, two of whom are said to be women, are alleged to have used unwarranted physical force against the prisoners. Under Article 32 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, a commander of the unit where the alleged infraction occurred must have -- together with military prosecutors -- a hearing to review evidence and recommend a further course of action, according to defense officials. "Certainly, there are several things that could happen," Balice explained. "It could be dismissed. It could be some other form of disciplinary action. Or it could a court-martial. It all depends on the determination." He said no date for the hearing has been set. The announcement of the charges came three days after the human rights group Amnesty International issued a scathing report, saying it had collected many allegation torture or ill-treatment by US-led coalition forces in Iraq. Iraqi inmates held at various US-run detention centers are subjected prolonged hooding, sleep deprivation, restraint in painful positions -- sometimes combined with exposure to loud music and bright light, according to the document compiled by Amnesty monitors who have been working in Iraq since late April. The monitors pointed, among others, to the case of 39-year-old Khreisan Khalis Aballey and his 80-year-old father, who were arrested at their home on April 30. Aballey was hooded and handcuffed and made to stand or kneel facing a wall for nearly eight days while he was being interrogated, the report said. He suffered from sleep deprivation because a bright light was placed next to his head while distorted music was booming from lounspeakers, according to the document. His knees bled, and one his leg swell to the size of a football, while his father was held in the cell next to him and could hear his son's screams, the report said. "Many of the coalition soldiers and military police engaged in law enforcement do not have basic skills and tools in civilian policing or to be aware of the law they are supposed to be applying," said Curt Goering, one of Amnesty's monitors. mk/aln US-Iraq-justice |
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Four US soldiers charged with abuse of Iraqi POWs
Um, does the rubbish below somehow exonerate American torturers?
It's the "lookie there!" defense/logic of a good many people on the right. "You think you caught a Republican pulling some dirty crap? We won't even discuss that, but instead we will switch the subject to Clinton's blow job. Lookie there! Lookie there!" "You think some aspect of conservatism doesn't stand up to logical scrutiny? We won't even discuss that, but instead we will throw some wacky iberal idea up for discussion and redirect the conversation. Lookie there! Lookie there!" "There's a chance or an allegation that a tiny percentage of our miltary personnel are not behaving like professional soldiers in Iraq? We certainly won't adress that either, just point out that the behavior of the regime we feel consisted of despicable intolerable, inhuman *******s did even worse! Lookie there! Lookie there!" There is no doubt that we have been regaled with all the gruesome details of hideous abuses committed by many of Saddam's interrogators. Personally, I believe those stories have some foundation in fact. There is also no doubt that the actions of our own *worst* actors will be cast as typical American tactics and indicative of American philosophies and values. The pendulum swings both ways. If we are as truly civilized as we aspire to be, we should try to see that our own *worst* actions aren't all that bad, and that stories of atrocities and torture by Americans do not have a foundation in fact. When the military justice system is arresting and charging US interrogators who step over the line into torture and sadism, the system is working about as well as we can hope. |
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Four US soldiers charged with abuse of Iraqi POWs
You are showing a great affliction of "Dumbness". This is not Russia, you
get arrested, then charged if the DA and courts think there is enough evidence and then sent to trial. Until the trial is concluded with a guilty verdict, the person(s) charged are considered innocent! They have been arrested, now the court system is considering if there is enough evidence to bring them to trial. Better study up more on the American legal system. And if you consider the "Bad cop / Good cop" routine to be abuse, you will consider all interrogation abuse. This abuse (?) is nowhere the abuse that the Iranians and even the Iraqis considered abuse. Stone a woman to death because she was outside without a blanket (burka) covering her, etc. Electrial shock for prisoners. Bill "Ignoramus30984" wrote in message a.com... In article , Empress Otku, Elitist As I Wanna Be wrote: On 27 Jul 2003 19:24:07 GMT, Ignoramus30984 wrote: Our local newsgroup imperialist Empress Otku claimed that we liberated Iraqis from human rights abuses. Kiss my hem when you say that! Turns out that it is difficult to rule an occupied country without human rights abuses... You seem to be missing the most obvious point of the article: we prosecute our soldiers for that kind of behavior, rather than institutionalize it. Actually, no one was prosecuted for what I highlighted in my original article. i ~Ding Dong Udai and Qusai are Dead! P.S. You'll get no more replies from me on this one, Igor, you..., you..., you commie crossposter, you! |
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Four US soldiers charged with abuse of Iraqi POWs
"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Um, does the rubbish below somehow exonerate American torturers? It's the "lookie there!" defense/logic of a good many people on the right. "You think you caught a Republican pulling some dirty crap? We won't even discuss that, but instead we will switch the subject to Clinton's blow job. Lookie there! Lookie there!" "You think some aspect of conservatism doesn't stand up to logical scrutiny? We won't even discuss that, but instead we will throw some wacky iberal idea up for discussion and redirect the conversation. Lookie there! Lookie there!" "There's a chance or an allegation that a tiny percentage of our miltary personnel are not behaving like professional soldiers in Iraq? We certainly won't adress that either, just point out that the behavior of the regime we feel consisted of despicable intolerable, inhuman *******s did even worse! Lookie there! Lookie there!" There is no doubt that we have been regaled with all the gruesome details of hideous abuses committed by many of Saddam's interrogators. Personally, I believe those stories have some foundation in fact. There is also no doubt that the actions of our own *worst* actors will be cast as typical American tactics and indicative of American philosophies and values. The pendulum swings both ways. If we are as truly civilized as we aspire to be, we should try to see that our own *worst* actions aren't all that bad, and that stories of atrocities and torture by Americans do not have a foundation in fact. When the military justice system is arresting and charging US interrogators who step over the line into torture and sadism, the system is working about as well as we can hope. Oh, BULL****! Chuck. They have been arrested, the allegations are being addressed. They are innocent until proven guilty. Your illustrious Clinton Regime used the same tactic, except for the bright light, on a whole bunch of people before burning them up in Waco. You liberals all defended the same tactics and also the lies that were used to bring in US Military tanks (against the law, except for drug enforcement). The allegations are being addressed. This is not a Mai Lai type situation. They are not accused to beating, electrifying parts of the body, raping his daughter / wife in front of him. The fact that they have been arrested, shows the military is addressing the boundries of conduct. Bill |
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