BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

I've noticed some other people badmouthing Bayliners on other sites,
but keep in mind those are usually biased opinions based on peer
pressure and opinion, not fact.

Most of the people who have badmouthed the Bays, when I inquire why
they feel this way all they can reply is " I just do cause they suck"
or something similar, which is really not a reason at all. Fact is, it
all boils down to personal preference. The majority of people will
tell you what you will like based on their preferences, not yours.

Bayliners don't seem to come with 7000 RPM twin V8 engines & jet
drives, nor do they seem to attract hordes of drunken siliconed
facelifted and botoxed bimbos in thong bikinis like the Cigarettes,
Fountains, and Formulas...they do not thunder ominously through no
wake zones or make all other boat owners drool with envy...nor do they
provide a massive market for anodized chromed polished gold plated
titanium blingity-bling that will cause you to sell off a kidney to
pay off your Visa card.

In short, the Bayliner is not the model status symbol that these other
boats represent. From what i've learned, the Bayliner is more of a
workhorse, not incredibly ultra-sleek expensive, sexy, or
stately...but very tough and reliable. They are also, from what I've
seen in comparison to other boat types, pretty cheap to work on.

While a Bayliner will not increase your penis length like these other
boats try to do, it will (when properly maintained) take you anywhere
you want to go and will do so with a fair amount of reliability.
Bayliner owners - in general - also seem to be alot more social, alot
nicer, and a helluva lot more grounded. Bayliner owners seem to
generally have more interesting things to talk about rather than the
last 100 poker runs, how much was spent on those neon purple polished
aluminum valve covers to match that neon purple multi port EFI system
to match that neon purple trailer, or how much premarital sex they've
gotten because of their boat.

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

The sofa is comfortable, the popcorn is popping and the pop is cold...anyone
want to join me watching this unfold?

LOL!


"Maxx1676" wrote in message
om...
I've noticed some other people badmouthing Bayliners on other sites,
but keep in mind those are usually biased opinions based on peer
pressure and opinion, not fact.

Most of the people who have badmouthed the Bays, when I inquire why
they feel this way all they can reply is " I just do cause they suck"
or something similar, which is really not a reason at all. Fact is, it
all boils down to personal preference. The majority of people will
tell you what you will like based on their preferences, not yours.

Bayliners don't seem to come with 7000 RPM twin V8 engines & jet
drives, nor do they seem to attract hordes of drunken siliconed
facelifted and botoxed bimbos in thong bikinis like the Cigarettes,
Fountains, and Formulas...they do not thunder ominously through no
wake zones or make all other boat owners drool with envy...nor do they
provide a massive market for anodized chromed polished gold plated
titanium blingity-bling that will cause you to sell off a kidney to
pay off your Visa card.

In short, the Bayliner is not the model status symbol that these other
boats represent. From what i've learned, the Bayliner is more of a
workhorse, not incredibly ultra-sleek expensive, sexy, or
stately...but very tough and reliable. They are also, from what I've
seen in comparison to other boat types, pretty cheap to work on.

While a Bayliner will not increase your penis length like these other
boats try to do, it will (when properly maintained) take you anywhere
you want to go and will do so with a fair amount of reliability.
Bayliner owners - in general - also seem to be alot more social, alot
nicer, and a helluva lot more grounded. Bayliner owners seem to
generally have more interesting things to talk about rather than the
last 100 poker runs, how much was spent on those neon purple polished
aluminum valve covers to match that neon purple multi port EFI system
to match that neon purple trailer, or how much premarital sex they've
gotten because of their boat.

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

Hey!
Don't forget us asshole Baja owners too!

Barfliner...what a freaking joke.

"Maxx1676" wrote in message
om...
I've noticed some other people badmouthing Bayliners on other sites,
but keep in mind those are usually biased opinions based on peer
pressure and opinion, not fact.

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

Far as I can tell, someone wrote:
nor do they seem to attract hordes of drunken siliconed
facelifted and botoxed bimbos in thong bikinis

So then what's the point?

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

"jim--" wrote in message
...
The sofa is comfortable, the popcorn is popping and the pop is
cold...anyone
want to join me watching this unfold?

LOL!


If Skippy is still lurking this is bound to bring him out.

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

Oh.... well, this is obviously a troll, but since it does pertain to
boats and doesn't mention republicans, democrats, bush, clarke,
liberals, or conservatives, I'll bite.


Same here, Gene....

Here's my opinion (for whatever it's worth): My daughters' friends' parents
recently bought a used Bayliner Ciera (I think it is). I stopped by to check
it out up close and personal. Nice boat... Looks in good shape... Nice 90hp
Merc on the transom. The boat is on a galvanized trailer w/rollers, sitting at
the end of the driveway, and I decided to climb aboard with the father of my
daughter's friend. The boat is nice and has all the necessities for freshwater
lake boating. But, I don't know... There is just something WEIRD about it. It
just looks cheezy for some reason. It looks like white PVC plastic instead of
rugged, heavy duty fiberglass. I don't know how it handles on water, or how
well it runs, but again, it's nice for a small lake boat. It would probably
outrun my old 1975 17' trihull with the 165hp Merc I/O. But how many Bayliners
are still running great since 1975?!? Sorry.... But that is just my opinion.

Butch Ammon

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...

Oh.... well, this is obviously a troll, but since it does pertain to
boats and doesn't mention republicans, democrats, bush, clarke,
liberals, or conservatives, I'll bite.

For what I suspect is the longest running thread on rec.boats and
definitive... or at least exhaustive analysis of Bayliner, see:

http://tinyurl.com/yuacc


Sorry, but not even close. Check out the "usage of motor oil" thread.

http://tinyurl.com/3fu98

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

"Maxx1676" wrote in \


Lemme guess...
You have a small penis, are bald, and own a Bayliner.

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

I bet the motor oil thread contained more expletives.



"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 00:49:34 GMT, "Joe" wrote:


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
.. .

Oh.... well, this is obviously a troll, but since it does pertain to
boats and doesn't mention republicans, democrats, bush, clarke,
liberals, or conservatives, I'll bite.

For what I suspect is the longest running thread on rec.boats and
definitive... or at least exhaustive analysis of Bayliner, see:

http://tinyurl.com/yuacc


Sorry, but not even close. Check out the "usage of motor oil" thread.

http://tinyurl.com/3fu98


I remember that motor oil one quickly turning away from inquiry and
directly into a name-calling contest... facts be damned....

I've still got you..... 585 posts to your 337 posts.

--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/
Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillage.com/directions.asp Where
Southport,NC is located.
http://www.southharbourvillage.com/autoupdater.htm Real Time Pictures
at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

Hold on....

Wasn't it Bayliner that offered the first "Packaged" boat, motor and trailer
for under $10,000 ?

Prior to this the dealers clamped the customers choice of motors on any
boat, dumped the rig on a trailer and sent the customer on his way.
Unfortunately many dealers knew nothing about proper motor setup, i.e.,
transom height, prop pitch to match the boat load, etc. My dad bought such
a setup and it NEVER performed very well, but sure cost a lot! Bayliner
solved this for the un-educated public who just wanted to buy a boat and
enjoy it without becoming a setup guru. Then when they went to all products
for a given production year having the same interiors, they reduced the cost
by limiting the selections and the number of fabric styles they had to
stock, offer and deal with. All of this helped make boating a lot more
affordable for many people. They never have intended to supply the
performance market. They have tried and successfully put affordable boats
with a good ride in the hands of many people who might not otherwise be able
to afford a boat. How can you knock that ?

Don Dando


"Maxx1676" wrote in message
om...
I've noticed some other people badmouthing Bayliners on other sites,
but keep in mind those are usually biased opinions based on peer
pressure and opinion, not fact.

Most of the people who have badmouthed the Bays, when I inquire why
they feel this way all they can reply is " I just do cause they suck"
or something similar, which is really not a reason at all. Fact is, it
all boils down to personal preference. The majority of people will
tell you what you will like based on their preferences, not yours.

Bayliners don't seem to come with 7000 RPM twin V8 engines & jet
drives, nor do they seem to attract hordes of drunken siliconed
facelifted and botoxed bimbos in thong bikinis like the Cigarettes,
Fountains, and Formulas...they do not thunder ominously through no
wake zones or make all other boat owners drool with envy...nor do they
provide a massive market for anodized chromed polished gold plated
titanium blingity-bling that will cause you to sell off a kidney to
pay off your Visa card.

In short, the Bayliner is not the model status symbol that these other
boats represent. From what i've learned, the Bayliner is more of a
workhorse, not incredibly ultra-sleek expensive, sexy, or
stately...but very tough and reliable. They are also, from what I've
seen in comparison to other boat types, pretty cheap to work on.

While a Bayliner will not increase your penis length like these other
boats try to do, it will (when properly maintained) take you anywhere
you want to go and will do so with a fair amount of reliability.
Bayliner owners - in general - also seem to be alot more social, alot
nicer, and a helluva lot more grounded. Bayliner owners seem to
generally have more interesting things to talk about rather than the
last 100 poker runs, how much was spent on those neon purple polished
aluminum valve covers to match that neon purple multi port EFI system
to match that neon purple trailer, or how much premarital sex they've
gotten because of their boat.

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 00:49:34 GMT, "Joe" wrote:


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
.. .

Oh.... well, this is obviously a troll, but since it does pertain to
boats and doesn't mention republicans, democrats, bush, clarke,
liberals, or conservatives, I'll bite.

For what I suspect is the longest running thread on rec.boats and
definitive... or at least exhaustive analysis of Bayliner, see:

http://tinyurl.com/yuacc


Sorry, but not even close. Check out the "usage of motor oil" thread.

http://tinyurl.com/3fu98


I remember that motor oil one quickly turning away from inquiry and
directly into a name-calling contest... facts be damned....

I've still got you..... 585 posts to your 337 posts.


I stand corrected.

I didn't realize that thread went on for that long.
Sept 19 1996 to Nov 17 2002!

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

"NOYB" wrote in message
om...

"Maxx1676" wrote in \


Lemme guess...
You have a small penis, are bald, and own a Bayliner.


//// Laughing...No im not Bald,Your right on the penis part "but dont
tell everyone",and ive owned 3 Bayliners and various other boats.I never had
a problem with the Bay`s.

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

"bomar" wrote in message
...
Hey!
Don't forget us asshole Baja owners too!

Barfliner...what a freaking joke.

"Maxx1676" wrote in message
om...
I've noticed some other people badmouthing Bayliners on other sites,
but keep in mind those are usually biased opinions based on peer
pressure and opinion, not fact.


"""" Hey Bow;;,I hate to tell you this but your Baja was built by
brunswick also. The same people who build the Bay`s. They also build
Hatteress and Boston Whaler.

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

The recent Trophy's seem like pretty nice boats. They use top-shelf
hardware and resins as well.


"McCann" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
om...

"Maxx1676" wrote in \


Lemme guess...
You have a small penis, are bald, and own a Bayliner.


//// Laughing...No im not Bald,Your right on the penis part "but
dont
tell everyone",and ive owned 3 Bayliners and various other boats.I never
had
a problem with the Bay`s.

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

My 1977 Bayliner is still running great. It has an 130 hp engine wich also
runs great. The boat runs about 35 mph and is is much more economical than
the big V8 engines in the Cigarettes etc.

Danny
www.powerboatlinks.net

"Butch Ammon" schreef in bericht
...
Oh.... well, this is obviously a troll, but since it does pertain to
boats and doesn't mention republicans, democrats, bush, clarke,
liberals, or conservatives, I'll bite.


Same here, Gene....

Here's my opinion (for whatever it's worth): My daughters' friends'
parents
recently bought a used Bayliner Ciera (I think it is). I stopped by to
check
it out up close and personal. Nice boat... Looks in good shape... Nice
90hp
Merc on the transom. The boat is on a galvanized trailer w/rollers,
sitting at
the end of the driveway, and I decided to climb aboard with the father of
my
daughter's friend. The boat is nice and has all the necessities for
freshwater
lake boating. But, I don't know... There is just something WEIRD about
it. It
just looks cheezy for some reason. It looks like white PVC plastic
instead of
rugged, heavy duty fiberglass. I don't know how it handles on water, or
how
well it runs, but again, it's nice for a small lake boat. It would
probably
outrun my old 1975 17' trihull with the 165hp Merc I/O. But how many
Bayliners
are still running great since 1975?!? Sorry.... But that is just my
opinion.

Butch Ammon

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 00:49:34 GMT, "Joe" wrote:


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
. ..


Oh.... well, this is obviously a troll, but since it does pertain to
boats and doesn't mention republicans, democrats, bush, clarke,
liberals, or conservatives, I'll bite.

For what I suspect is the longest running thread on rec.boats and
definitive... or at least exhaustive analysis of Bayliner, see:

http://tinyurl.com/yuacc


Sorry, but not even close. Check out the "usage of motor oil" thread.

http://tinyurl.com/3fu98



I remember that motor oil one quickly turning away from inquiry and
directly into a name-calling contest... facts be damned....

I've still got you..... 585 posts to your 337 posts.



I'm not interested in Bayliners. Thanks for the memories, though.

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

Danny wrote:

My 1977 Bayliner is still running great. It has an 130 hp engine wich also
runs great. The boat runs about 35 mph and is is much more economical than
the big V8 engines in the Cigarettes etc.

Danny
www.powerboatlinks.net


I have a half-interest in an Old Town canoe powered by a pair of
paddles. It runs great. It is much more economical than your Bayliner,
and goes places you wouldn't dare take your boat.

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

On 27 Mar 2004 15:23:24 -0800, (Maxx1676)
wrote:


While a Bayliner will not increase your penis length like these other
boats try to do,

Are you sure? This calls for a famous line from one of our group
icons:

" Proof please. Or, are you, as usual, throwing fact
out in favor of wild, unfounded allegations, and assumptions?"
(b'asskisser, 2004, multiple occasions)

Have you actually done a study of penis lengths before and after a
Bayliner purchase?

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

"McCann" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
om...

"Maxx1676" wrote in \


Lemme guess...
You have a small penis, are bald, and own a Bayliner.


//// Laughing...No im not Bald,Your right on the penis part "but
dont
tell everyone",and ive owned 3 Bayliners and various other boats.I never
had
a problem with the Bay`s.

7:13 - Sunday morning
haven't had my coffee yet
checked e-bay for bidding on an item I posted - no change
checked e-mail, nothing exciting
checked this newsgroup
nothing new
noting intriguing
till I read BAYLINER BASHERS..
what honesty
what truth
what contradictions
what humor
what comradery, etc.,etc.,etc.,...
Guys, you have made my day. Keep up the good spirit and don't forget love
thy neighbor even he has a Bayer.. or whatsover.

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

Harry Krause wrote:
I'm not interested in Bayliners. Thanks for the memories, though.

Harry,
What ever happened to your old Bayliner buddy, Skipper?
Jim

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

JIMinMA wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

I'm not interested in Bayliners. Thanks for the memories, though.


Harry,
What ever happened to your old Bayliner buddy, Skipper?
Jim





He devolved into Wally, Jim-, Backdoor Revivalist and several other
right-wing asswipes.

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

Goodmorning John, I thought that little article would get the troops going
! LOL. I boat out of Georgetown Md. Im looking for another boat this
summer,not really sure exactly what kind . Have a Great summer.



"John H" wrote in message
...
On 27 Mar 2004 15:23:24 -0800, (Maxx1676)
wrote:


While a Bayliner will not increase your penis length like these other
boats try to do,

Are you sure? This calls for a famous line from one of our group
icons:

" Proof please. Or, are you, as usual, throwing fact
out in favor of wild, unfounded allegations, and assumptions?"
(b'asskisser, 2004, multiple occasions)

Have you actually done a study of penis lengths before and after a
Bayliner purchase?

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

"McCann" wrote in message
...

"""" Hey Bow;;,I hate to tell you this but your Baja was built by
brunswick also. The same people who build the Bay`s. They also build
Hatteress and Boston Whaler.

Taht's an interesting observation but complete bull****.
Here is the real information.....
Baja's are not built by Barfliner but are a division of Sea Ray.
Brunswick owns Bayliner, Sea Ray, Baja, Mercury, Boston Whaler, Hatteras,
Maxxum, Meridian, Pleasurecraft, Sea Line, Land n Sea, Trophy, Attwood,
Motor Guide, Mariner; and in the process of purchasing Crestliner , Lowe,
and Lund.
So, Brunswick owns all these companies (and others) but there is no
connection between Baja and Bagliner except through the parent orginazation.
BTW, did you know that the new Polaris jet boats are actually made by Baja ?

Within a year I look for Brunswick to add Fountain to the line up. They are
into Reggie so deep they just about control it now.

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

I do boat repair and Bayliners aren't popular around here.We had an
insurance job to redo the inside of one that the alcohol stove
exploded in which destroyed the interior of the boat and a good
percentage of the exterior of the owner also.I started the job under
the impression Bayliners were crap foisted unto rubes and quickly
found out they were better constructed than most other boats I have
worked on.Unless you repair or work on boats you would be surprised
how much a name-brand can cover up for shiddy construction,bad
planning and cheap materials.For the most part people don't have much
idea at all what is or isn't "quality" and for the most part boats are
made to sell.Period.I told the owner I thought his boat was very well
made and he said he bought it dirt cheap on the Georgia coast because
of its bad reputation, that the same boat would sell for double the
price in the Puget sound area as they are considered to be a good boat
there.

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

"bomar" wrote in message
...

"McCann" wrote in message
...

"""" Hey Bow;;,I hate to tell you this but your Baja was built by
brunswick also. The same people who build the Bay`s. They also build
Hatteress and Boston Whaler.

Taht's an interesting observation but complete bull****.
Here is the real information.....
Baja's are not built by Barfliner but are a division of Sea Ray.
Brunswick owns Bayliner, Sea Ray, Baja, Mercury, Boston Whaler, Hatteras,
Maxxum, Meridian, Pleasurecraft, Sea Line, Land n Sea, Trophy, Attwood,
Motor Guide, Mariner; and in the process of purchasing Crestliner , Lowe,
and Lund.
So, Brunswick owns all these companies (and others) but there is no
connection between Baja and Bagliner except through the parent
orginazation.
BTW, did you know that the new Polaris jet boats are actually made by Baja
?

Within a year I look for Brunswick to add Fountain to the line up. They
are
into Reggie so deep they just about control it now.



Baja are nice boats,My neighbor just bought a 24 ft. with a big block and
loves it....why do ya have to call them "Barfliners" that Hurts !

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

Sea Ray too, but that doesn't change things..

-j

"McCann" wrote in message
...

"bomar" wrote in message
...
Hey!
Don't forget us asshole Baja owners too!

Barfliner...what a freaking joke.

"Maxx1676" wrote in message
om...
I've noticed some other people badmouthing Bayliners on other sites,
but keep in mind those are usually biased opinions based on peer
pressure and opinion, not fact.


"""" Hey Bow;;,I hate to tell you this but your Baja was built by
brunswick also. The same people who build the Bay`s. They also build
Hatteress and Boston Whaler.

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

In order to:

attract hordes of drunken siliconed
facelifted and botoxed bimbos in thong bikinis

and

make all other boat owners drool with envy...

I named my new Bayliner Sea Ray! If you take off the Bayliner stickers and
have some nice vinyl "Sea Ray" lettering made up you can fool all but the
most boat savvy snobs. You get most all of the envy and bimbos at much
less cost!

Rich

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

Coff wrote:


Remember years ago on this NG when every week there was a new thread
of Bayliner bashing? Sheesh, those were the good old days!

At that time we had a democratic president. What does that tell us about
those who have of late ruined this newsgroup with the constant barrage
of political tripe?

-- Charlie

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

That's true. But you can't ski behind your canoe.
"Harry Krause" schreef in bericht
...
Danny wrote:

My 1977 Bayliner is still running great. It has an 130 hp engine wich
also
runs great. The boat runs about 35 mph and is is much more economical
than
the big V8 engines in the Cigarettes etc.

Danny
www.powerboatlinks.net


I have a half-interest in an Old Town canoe powered by a pair of
paddles. It runs great. It is much more economical than your Bayliner,
and goes places you wouldn't dare take your boat.

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

Oh.... well, this is obviously a troll, but since it does pertain to
boats and doesn't mention republicans, democrats, bush, clarke,
liberals, or conservatives, I'll bite.


I'm not interested in Bayliners. Thanks for the memories, though.

"Not interested in Bayliners". Harry I thought you Owned two of them don't
you. Sorry Guys I didn't mean to drag down a Bayliner Boat by putting Harry
and Bayliners in the same sentence. Their is nothing wrong with a Bayliner
Boat. Remember you get what you pay for. For a nice cheap boat for a first
timer it could be OK. I have seen some nice ones on the river.

Bill

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

HEYYYYY, it's time to break out the old "Bayliner Observations."
Let's see... (blows off dust, coughs...)

Now, NONE of these represent my personal or subjective opinions. These
are objective, factual, empirical observations I've made over 40-plus
years of boating experience. OK?

1. I've been boating for over 40 years, and know many boat mechanics
personally. Independent mechanics, not dealership mechanics. Guys that
work on every boat made, all day, every day. Without exception, they
say Bayliners are "cheaply made."

2. I remember looking at a 21' Trophy cuddy cabin in a Bayliner
showroom. I pressed the tip of my forefinger against the side, and the
outer layer of fiberglass moved in and out about 1/4 an inch. Try this
with a good boat, like a Mako or Grady or my 1993 Robalo - thump it
with the heel of your hand; it feels like concrete slab. I'm serious:
that's not an exaggeration.

3. BOATING magazine reviewed a Bayliner runabout a few years back.
They described its construction as "flimsy."

4. EVERY time I see some dickhead thumping across the lake with his
fenders bouncing wildly around the hull, he's in a Bayliner. Why is
this? There must be a reason.

5. I live at a large recreational lake (about 30,000 acres), and know
most of the local marina owners and operators, and often take a break
and watch their customers come and go. Usually, when somebody pulls
up to the gas pumps, the gas boys jump up and help them tie off, step
onto the dock, pump their gas, etc. But many, many times I've seen
the guy in a Bayliner (usually the guy in #4 above) pull up, and the
gas boys just sit there talking, like he was invisible.

6. I know many, many major boat dealers, especially along the Texas
coast, who refuse to take Bayliners as tradeins. Interestingly, they
all give the same reasons:
1. We don't want them on our lot. We can't have a bunch of
cheap old Bayliners sitting
there next to these "nice" boats. It just makes the whole
place look cheap.
2. Customers have trouble with them, then blame us for
"selling them a bad boat."
3. They cost too much to get sale-ready. Somebody brings in a
used Bayliner, and you have
to replace just about everything on it.

I also know a number of used boat dealers who will buy just about any
boat made, to sit on their lots for resale: EXCEPT a Bayliner. "We
just can't sell'em," they all say. "Who's gonna walk in here, walk
past all these nice boats and spend eight thousand dollars on some
beat-up, old P.O.S. Bayliner?"

7. When I go down to the Texas coast, I usually launch around the
public docks, where thousands of Trophy-class boats are docked: 18-25
foot center consoles and cuddies. Yet, I will not see ONE SINGLE
TROPHY, even though big Bayliner dealerships are nearby. I asked some
local fishing guides if any of them used Trophys, and they said,
laughing out loud, "No way. When somebody shells out $500 for a
professional fishing trip, they don't want to go out in a Bayliner."

8. Even though it's marketed as a rough-and-tough offshore, bluewater
fishing boat, Sal****er Sportsman described a Bayliner Trophy as
"excellent for sheltered or inshore waters."

Now, I fully expect Skipper to rise from the grave...

Ron M.

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

Ron M. wrote in message
om...
snip
Now, I fully expect Skipper to rise from the grave...

Ron M.

Yes..at times like this we miss the old Skipper. Always wondered if he's
hiding in here under another handle...or if he realized the jig is
up...with no boat, or prospect of getting one, what's the purpose.
On the other hand, he could be like some other non-boaters and login just to
harass real boaters.

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

Two suggestions:

1. Check Ron's story by poking the hull of a Trophy and comparing it to the
hull of any other similarly sized boat. See if it flexes 1/4 inch more, (in
relatively the same spot), or not.

2. Check Ron's story by running an advanced search for Bayliner in Texas on
Yachtworld.com. See if any of the brokers and dealers in Texas deal in used
Bayliners, or not.

Then decide if his annual troll consists of:

objective, factual, empirical observations

or not.

Bayliner is not the world's best boat. By any standard. But it is more than
adequately safe and serviceable for conditions encountered by many casual,
weekend, boaters.

Those who need a more stoutly built boat should buy one. There are any number
to choose from. Some guy who wants to chase a few fish around a lake, do some
weekend boat camping, or drag a tuber around on 4th of July weekend doesn't
need a 90,000 pound transoceanic trawler. For many casual, fair weather boaters
(who may be caught temporarily in foul) on the majority of US waters, Bayliner
is an acceptable choice. In some cases, it may even be the best choice. In
others, not at all. Let's hope that the folks who should buy something else do,
but it's pure BS to insist that *everybody* should buy something else.

Bayliner enjoys some extreme owner loyalty. Most of the used Bayliners are at
Bayliner dealers. Some would say that's because once you buy a Bayliner, you're
condemned for all time to own nothing else since no other dealer will take it
on trade or represent it as a brokerage boat.
Once again, yachtworld.com. Facts speak louder than allegations.

What is it with people who are so insecure in their own choices that they must
ridicule
others, who are doing them no harm, for making a different choice?

As far as the claims about the "boat mechanics" all trashing Bayliner.....I
remain to be convinced that a well maintained Mercruiser in a Bayliner won't
provide similarly reliable service with a well maintained Mercruiser in a
Cobalt, Tiara,
or what not. Bayliner builds the hull.....the same people that everybody else
buys engines, outdrives, etc from provide the mechanicals.

Here's where Harry chimes in and confirms, based on his own
objective, factual, empirical observations I've made over 40-plus
years of boating experience.

that Ron is indeed correct. Same thing every year about this time. Take it
away, Harry............ :-)

(The more things change, the more they remain the same)

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

Yes..at times like this we miss the old Skipper. Always wondered if he's
hiding in here under another handle...or if he realized the jig is
up...with no boat, or prospect of getting one, what's the purpose.
On the other hand, he could be like some other non-boaters and login just
to
harass real boaters.

or the poor political monkeys : p

-j

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

In article ,
(Ron M.) wrote:

LOL

Heyyyyyy....

Trolls Trolls Trolls who post,

ought to get a clue.

No one needs your stupid crap,

put it where ya poo!

I guess I could debate the issue, but that would require someone
intelligent to debate against, instead of someone only interested in
starting a ****ing contest.

Glad I'm in Ohio, where my Bayliner can steer clear of those TexasSholes,
I mean Texas Shoals.


HEYYYYY, it's time to break out the old "Bayliner Observations."
Let's see... (blows off dust, coughs...)

Now, NONE of these represent my personal or subjective opinions. These
are objective, factual, empirical observations I've made over 40-plus
years of boating experience. OK?

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

In article ,
(Coff) wrote:

(Ron M.) wrote in message
. com...

Now, NONE of these represent my personal or subjective opinions. These
are objective, factual, empirical observations I've made over 40-plus
years of boating experience. OK?

Now for something completely different... Actual personal experience:

We owned a 2455 midcabin for several years during the mid to late
'90s...

Now, now, the last thing we need to do here is cloud this issue with facts
or actual ownership experiences!

Simply recite the mantra of the BBB (Brainless Bayliner Bashers, not
Better Business Bureau):

Bayliner... baaaad! My boat... gooood!

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

In article , "Gene Kearns"
wrote:



Of course you realize that much of the Bayliner Bashing was directed
at a poster that felt Bayliner Super-Excellent, and everybody else
bought something old tech and overpriced.

Best lesson is to buy a boat suited to your waters and enjoy whatever
you got that floats. I know I got a LOT of pleasure from those
college tubing days when all we had was a cooler that floated and an
inner tube......

--

Amen.

BAYLINER BASHERS..
 

One of my best memories was the day I was backing it off the trailer at a 3-lane
ramp at a resevoir near my home. A beautiful woman sitting in a newer Baja next
to me looked over and mentioned I had a "beautiful boat" and then turned to her
husband/boyfriend/whatever and commented that " I wish we had one like that".


Now THAT's funny! :) :) :)

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36