"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Calif Bill wrote:
You people think it would be nirvana if Clinton (or his surrogate) was
still
in office.

Please point out where & when I ever said any such thing.



Just read your opinions over the last couple of years and you will see the
inference.


... No 9/11, no rescession, no job loss.

Actually, there is very good reason to think that Sept 11th would not
have happened if anybody except G.W.Bush had been elected in 2000. His
business dealings with the Taliban and the Saudis, and his carte-blanche
backing of Israel, were precipitating factors.

But hey, that's just my speculation. Based on careful observation and
historical perspective, but still just speculation.


How would you even speculate that it would not have happened. It was
already attempted to take down the WTC with a truck bomb. And the planing
and training for 9/11 had to take more than 9 months. You have to be really
biased to think it would not have happened under another candidate. Hell,
the Muslim extremists are waging war all over the world on those they figure
are not pure and chosen. Look at Algeria. 100 of thousands to killed and
mutilated people. They of the wrong branch of Islam.



The FACT is that Bush acted like a chicken**** on Sept 11th. Anybody can
see that, but some prefer to deny the obvious.

DSK



The Secret Service always tried to keep the President out of harms way. And
you have planes crashing into buildings in different parts of the USA and
you think he is not in danger? Watch the tapes of any assassination or
attempt to assassinate the President and watch the Secret Service get him
out of danger.

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 01:10:08 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"DSK" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
You people think it would be nirvana if Clinton (or his surrogate) was
still
in office.

Please point out where & when I ever said any such thing.



Just read your opinions over the last couple of years and you will see the
inference.


... No 9/11, no rescession, no job loss.

Actually, there is very good reason to think that Sept 11th would not
have happened if anybody except G.W.Bush had been elected in 2000. His
business dealings with the Taliban and the Saudis, and his carte-blanche
backing of Israel, were precipitating factors.

But hey, that's just my speculation. Based on careful observation and
historical perspective, but still just speculation.


How would you even speculate that it would not have happened. It was
already attempted to take down the WTC with a truck bomb. And the planing
and training for 9/11 had to take more than 9 months. You have to be really
biased to think it would not have happened under another candidate. Hell,
the Muslim extremists are waging war all over the world on those they figure
are not pure and chosen. Look at Algeria. 100 of thousands to killed and
mutilated people. They of the wrong branch of Islam.



The FACT is that Bush acted like a chicken**** on Sept 11th. Anybody can
see that, but some prefer to deny the obvious.

DSK



The Secret Service always tried to keep the President out of harms way. And
you have planes crashing into buildings in different parts of the USA and
you think he is not in danger? Watch the tapes of any assassination or
attempt to assassinate the President and watch the Secret Service get him
out of danger.


According to my hero, Michael Moore, the second most honest person in
the world (Harry K being the first, since he has a secret lobsta boat)
many of the 9/11 folks were here for two years.

But, Bush was probably the one that got them here.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Calif Bill wrote:
Just read your opinions over the last couple of years and you will see the
inference.

Your inference is wrong. Not everybody that hates Bush likes Clinton.


How would you even speculate that it would not have happened. It was
already attempted to take down the WTC with a truck bomb.


Yes, that's true. It was a much smaller operation. And the right-wing
loudmouths often overlook the fact that the people who did it are in
jail... and have been since long before Bush took office.


... And the planing
and training for 9/11 had to take more than 9 months.

Sure... the real crazies have been out there, and working devotedly, for
a long time. But when Bush won the election, the behind the scenes
people who can get serious about planning & financing such a large
operation got involved where they might have stayed out. Look who
benefitted financially from the Sept 11th attacks.


... You have to be really
biased to think it would not have happened under another candidate. Hell,
the Muslim extremists are waging war all over the world on those they figure
are not pure and chosen. Look at Algeria. 100 of thousands to killed and
mutilated people. They of the wrong branch of Islam.


Yes but many of those particular crazies are not into attacking *us*.




The FACT is that Bush acted like a chicken**** on Sept 11th. Anybody can
see that, but some prefer to deny the obvious.

DSK




The Secret Service always tried to keep the President out of harms way. And
you have planes crashing into buildings in different parts of the USA and
you think he is not in danger?

The President was in less danger than anybody in NYC or DC. And sure,
it's their job to get him out of danger... but he's the President. A
leader, a brave man, would have looked at the situation and said, 'there
is no immediate threat. Let's think this over and take some action.'
Instead he simply ran like a rabbit, making several false public
statements and being led around by the nose.

That's chicken****.

Maybe that's a bit harsh... let's just say it falls far short of the
standard of leadership I expect... and that the U.S. needs.

DSK

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 07:20:21 -0500, DSK wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:
Just read your opinions over the last couple of years and you will see the
inference.

Your inference is wrong. Not everybody that hates Bush likes Clinton.


How would you even speculate that it would not have happened. It was
already attempted to take down the WTC with a truck bomb.


Yes, that's true. It was a much smaller operation. And the right-wing
loudmouths often overlook the fact that the people who did it are in
jail... and have been since long before Bush took office.


... And the planing
and training for 9/11 had to take more than 9 months.

Sure... the real crazies have been out there, and working devotedly, for
a long time. But when Bush won the election, the behind the scenes
people who can get serious about planning & financing such a large
operation got involved where they might have stayed out. Look who
benefitted financially from the Sept 11th attacks.


... You have to be really
biased to think it would not have happened under another candidate. Hell,
the Muslim extremists are waging war all over the world on those they figure
are not pure and chosen. Look at Algeria. 100 of thousands to killed and
mutilated people. They of the wrong branch of Islam.


Yes but many of those particular crazies are not into attacking *us*.




The FACT is that Bush acted like a chicken**** on Sept 11th. Anybody can
see that, but some prefer to deny the obvious.

DSK




The Secret Service always tried to keep the President out of harms way. And
you have planes crashing into buildings in different parts of the USA and
you think he is not in danger?

The President was in less danger than anybody in NYC or DC. And sure,
it's their job to get him out of danger... but he's the President. A
leader, a brave man, would have looked at the situation and said, 'there
is no immediate threat. Let's think this over and take some action.'
Instead he simply ran like a rabbit, making several false public
statements and being led around by the nose.

That's chicken****.

Maybe that's a bit harsh... let's just say it falls far short of the
standard of leadership I expect... and that the U.S. needs.

DSK

How the hell could Bush or the Secret Service have possibly said,
"There is no immediate threat" as long as airplanes were still flying
around the country?

This "Bush was a coward" stuff is totally inane. You folks say it to
keep your lib circle jerk going, but it's ridiculous.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"John H" wrote in message
...


How the hell could Bush or the Secret Service have possibly said,
"There is no immediate threat" as long as airplanes were still flying
around the country?

This "Bush was a coward" stuff is totally inane. You folks say it to
keep your lib circle jerk going, but it's ridiculous.

It's a non-issue. They could've simply taken him to Christfield's, an
excellent seafood place in Silver Springs, and he would've been safe.
However, I think he would choked on a lobster claw, so perhaps it *was*
better that they got him onto an airplane.

Doug Kanter wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...


How the hell could Bush or the Secret Service have possibly said,
"There is no immediate threat" as long as airplanes were still flying
around the country?

This "Bush was a coward" stuff is totally inane. You folks say it to
keep your lib circle jerk going, but it's ridiculous.


It's a non-issue. They could've simply taken him to Christfield's, an
excellent seafood place in Silver Springs, and he would've been safe.
However, I think he would choked on a lobster claw, so perhaps it *was*
better that they got him onto an airplane.



It's Chrisfield's, actually, and I'm pretty sure lobster isn't on the
menu. But Bush could have choked on a "arster" shell.

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 12:53:47 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...


How the hell could Bush or the Secret Service have possibly said,
"There is no immediate threat" as long as airplanes were still flying
around the country?

This "Bush was a coward" stuff is totally inane. You folks say it to
keep your lib circle jerk going, but it's ridiculous.


It's a non-issue. They could've simply taken him to Christfield's, an
excellent seafood place in Silver Springs, and he would've been safe.
However, I think he would choked on a lobster claw, so perhaps it *was*
better that they got him onto an airplane.



It's Chrisfield's, actually, and I'm pretty sure lobster isn't on the
menu. But Bush could have choked on a "arster" shell.

Speaking of lobsters, can you tell me about your lobster boat? Is
Rockhold the creek in which you keep it? I'd love to see it.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:27:56 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .


How the hell could Bush or the Secret Service have possibly said,
"There is no immediate threat" as long as airplanes were still flying
around the country?

This "Bush was a coward" stuff is totally inane. You folks say it to
keep your lib circle jerk going, but it's ridiculous.

It's a non-issue. They could've simply taken him to Christfield's, an
excellent seafood place in Silver Springs, and he would've been safe.
However, I think he would choked on a lobster claw, so perhaps it *was*
better that they got him onto an airplane.


Thank God for sanity!

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"DSK" wrote in message
news
Calif Bill wrote:
Just read your opinions over the last couple of years and you will see
the
inference.

Your inference is wrong. Not everybody that hates Bush likes Clinton.


How would you even speculate that it would not have happened. It was
already attempted to take down the WTC with a truck bomb.


Yes, that's true. It was a much smaller operation. And the right-wing
loudmouths often overlook the fact that the people who did it are in
jail... and have been since long before Bush took office.



Run by the same group of ringleaders. And the fact the building did not
collapse was luck. The fact they tried and failed actually saved lives on
9/11. There were people who said to stay in the building it was safe and
those that had been through the earlier event, were smart enough to say.
Nah. We're leaving. The locals are in jail, but the financiers and planers
aren't.


... And the planing
and training for 9/11 had to take more than 9 months.

Sure... the real crazies have been out there, and working devotedly, for
a long time. But when Bush won the election, the behind the scenes
people who can get serious about planning & financing such a large
operation got involved where they might have stayed out. Look who
benefitted financially from the Sept 11th attacks.


... You have to be really
biased to think it would not have happened under another candidate.
Hell,
the Muslim extremists are waging war all over the world on those they
figure
are not pure and chosen. Look at Algeria. 100 of thousands to killed
and
mutilated people. They of the wrong branch of Islam.


Yes but many of those particular crazies are not into attacking *us*.



You think it is not the same wing of crazies? They are trying to spread
their brand of Islam to the world, and will not be happy until they succeed
or get to those 72 Virgins. Not the ones Don White is dreaming about.



The FACT is that Bush acted like a chicken**** on Sept 11th. Anybody can
see that, but some prefer to deny the obvious.

DSK




The Secret Service always tried to keep the President out of harms way.
And
you have planes crashing into buildings in different parts of the USA
and
you think he is not in danger?

The President was in less danger than anybody in NYC or DC. And sure,
it's their job to get him out of danger... but he's the President. A
leader, a brave man, would have looked at the situation and said, 'there
is no immediate threat. Let's think this over and take some action.'
Instead he simply ran like a rabbit, making several false public
statements and being led around by the nose.

That's chicken****.

Maybe that's a bit harsh... let's just say it falls far short of the
standard of leadership I expect... and that the U.S. needs.

DSK



How the hell you think he was not in assumed to be in danger, with planes
crashing in different locations? Planes still flying? That's Bull****!

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...


How the hell could Bush or the Secret Service have possibly said,
"There is no immediate threat" as long as airplanes were still flying
around the country?

This "Bush was a coward" stuff is totally inane. You folks say it to
keep your lib circle jerk going, but it's ridiculous.


It's a non-issue. They could've simply taken him to Christfield's, an
excellent seafood place in Silver Springs, and he would've been safe.
However, I think he would choked on a lobster claw, so perhaps it *was*
better that they got him onto an airplane.



It's Chrisfield's, actually, and I'm pretty sure lobster isn't on the
menu. But Bush could have choked on a "arster" shell.

Why no lobster? Don't they ship any in from up North?