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OT Weapons of Mass Destruction?
Let's see, Bush failed miserably in trying to find WMD's.
Bush failed miserably in finding Osama binLaden. Bush is failing with the economy. Bush is failing with his energy plans. Bush is failing, period. Ap Weapons Inspector Ends WMD Search in Iraq By KATHERINE SHRADER WASHINGTON - Wrapping up his investigation into Saddam Hussein's purported arsenal, the CIA's top weapons hunter in Iraq said his search for weapons of mass destruction "has been exhausted" without finding any. Nor did he find any evidence that such weapons were shipped officially from Iraq to Syria to be hidden before the U.S. invasion |
"ME ME ME" wrote in message news:... Wow, leave it up to mouth droolers to do a silly cut and paste and then jump around high 5'ing each other. Now we can wait and watch Jimcomma chime in with his "yeah whatever they said". I don't believe any of the prolific cut and pasters have presented any new political information in 5 years. I guess if all you can do is cut and paste an article, and jump up and down with your LiberalTrash Zombies, rec.boats provides these people with cheap thrills. "Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... wrote: Let's see, Bush failed miserably in trying to find WMD's. Bush failed miserably in finding Osama binLaden. Bush is failing with the economy. Bush is failing with his energy plans. Bush is failing, period. Ap Weapons Inspector Ends WMD Search in Iraq By KATHERINE SHRADER WASHINGTON - Wrapping up his investigation into Saddam Hussein's purported arsenal, the CIA's top weapons hunter in Iraq said his search for weapons of mass destruction "has been exhausted" without finding any. Nor did he find any evidence that such weapons were shipped officially from Iraq to Syria to be hidden before the U.S. invasion Hey, we all know that Bush was eager for the war to prop himself up in the polls, and to continue to scare the crap out of the voters. My new favorite photo of Bush shows him playing pattyfingers with the Clown Prince of Saudi Arabia. Birds of a feather hold hands together. |
Wow, leave it up to mouth droolers to do a silly cut and paste and then
jump around high 5'ing each other. Now we can wait and watch Jimcomma chime in with his "yeah whatever they said". I don't believe any of the prolific cut and pasters have presented any new political information in 5 years. I guess if all you can do is cut and paste an article, and jump up and down with your LiberalTrash Zombies, rec.boats provides these people with cheap thrills. "Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... wrote: Let's see, Bush failed miserably in trying to find WMD's. Bush failed miserably in finding Osama binLaden. Bush is failing with the economy. Bush is failing with his energy plans. Bush is failing, period. Ap Weapons Inspector Ends WMD Search in Iraq By KATHERINE SHRADER WASHINGTON - Wrapping up his investigation into Saddam Hussein's purported arsenal, the CIA's top weapons hunter in Iraq said his search for weapons of mass destruction "has been exhausted" without finding any. Nor did he find any evidence that such weapons were shipped officially from Iraq to Syria to be hidden before the U.S. invasion Hey, we all know that Bush was eager for the war to prop himself up in the polls, and to continue to scare the crap out of the voters. My new favorite photo of Bush shows him playing pattyfingers with the Clown Prince of Saudi Arabia. Birds of a feather hold hands together. |
wrote in message ups.com... Let's see, Bush failed miserably in trying to find WMD's. Bush failed miserably in finding Osama binLaden. Bush is failing with the economy. Bush is failing with his energy plans. Bush is failing, period. Ap Weapons Inspector Ends WMD Search in Iraq By KATHERINE SHRADER WASHINGTON - Wrapping up his investigation into Saddam Hussein's purported arsenal, the CIA's top weapons hunter in Iraq said his search for weapons of mass destruction "has been exhausted" without finding any. Nor did he find any evidence that such weapons were shipped officially from Iraq to Syria to be hidden before the U.S. invasion You missed a key portion of the report: "However ISG was unable to rule out unofficial movement of limited WMD-related materials." And how did they come to the conclusion that Iraq didn't "officially" ship WMD to Syria? Here's how: Detained Iraqi officials "uniformly denied any knowledge of residual WMD that have been secreted to Syria," the report said. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well that solves it then. The Iraqi Officials say that there were no weapons sent to Syria, so I guess we just have to believe them. rolling my eyes What's interesting is that this report is released the same day Syria removes it's final troops from the Bekaa Valley region of Lebanon. Perhaps Assad was given a chance to save face. He agrees to a full, unconditional withdrawal, and we'd suppress any evidence that he was hiding Iraqi weapons in the Bekaa Valley region. The Duelfer report left open the possibility that an "unofficial" transfer of weapons took place from Iraq to Syria. Even if we find WMD in the Bekaa Valley region of Lebanon , the Syrians can now point to the report and claim deniability. Bush just won a hand of high-stakes Texas Hold'em...and got the Syrians out of Lebanon without ever firing a shot. |
NOYB,
I am sure you noticed, but these LiberalTrash Mouthbreathers very rarely read any of the articles they cut and paste. If they do read them, they don't have the ability to understand what they are reading. "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... wrote in message ups.com... Let's see, Bush failed miserably in trying to find WMD's. Bush failed miserably in finding Osama binLaden. Bush is failing with the economy. Bush is failing with his energy plans. Bush is failing, period. Ap Weapons Inspector Ends WMD Search in Iraq By KATHERINE SHRADER WASHINGTON - Wrapping up his investigation into Saddam Hussein's purported arsenal, the CIA's top weapons hunter in Iraq said his search for weapons of mass destruction "has been exhausted" without finding any. Nor did he find any evidence that such weapons were shipped officially from Iraq to Syria to be hidden before the U.S. invasion You missed a key portion of the report: "However ISG was unable to rule out unofficial movement of limited WMD-related materials." And how did they come to the conclusion that Iraq didn't "officially" ship WMD to Syria? Here's how: Detained Iraqi officials "uniformly denied any knowledge of residual WMD that have been secreted to Syria," the report said. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well that solves it then. The Iraqi Officials say that there were no weapons sent to Syria, so I guess we just have to believe them. rolling my eyes What's interesting is that this report is released the same day Syria removes it's final troops from the Bekaa Valley region of Lebanon. Perhaps Assad was given a chance to save face. He agrees to a full, unconditional withdrawal, and we'd suppress any evidence that he was hiding Iraqi weapons in the Bekaa Valley region. The Duelfer report left open the possibility that an "unofficial" transfer of weapons took place from Iraq to Syria. Even if we find WMD in the Bekaa Valley region of Lebanon , the Syrians can now point to the report and claim deniability. Bush just won a hand of high-stakes Texas Hold'em...and got the Syrians out of Lebanon without ever firing a shot. |
"ME ME ME" wrote in message ... NOYB, I am sure you noticed, but these LiberalTrash Mouthbreathers very rarely read any of the articles they cut and paste. If they do read them, they don't have the ability to understand what they are reading. I know. That's why I'm helping them out. Here's the first paragraph of the "new" report: "Prewar Movement of WMD Material Out of Iraq ISG formed a working group to investigate the possibility of the evacuation of WMD-related material from Iraq prior to the 2003 war. This group spent several months examining documents, interviewing former Iraqi offi cials, examining previous intelligence reports, and conducting some site investigations. The declining security situation limited and finally halted this investigation. The results remain inconclusive, but further investigation may be undertaken when circumstances on the ground improve." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's certainly a far cry from the headlines that the liberal press are firing off! Read the report yourself: http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_...04/addenda.pdf |
Drowlers? This, from a boy who can't seem to operate news reader software
correctly? "ME ME ME" wrote in message ... Wow, leave it up to mouth drowlers to do a silly cut and paste and then jump around high 5'ing each other. Now we can wait and watch Jimcomma chime in with his "yeah whatever they said". I don't believe any of the prolific cut and pasters have presented any new political information in 5 years. I guess if all you can do is cut and paste an article, and jump up and down with your LiberalTrash Zombies, rec.boats provides these people with cheap thrills. "Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... wrote: Let's see, Bush failed miserably in trying to find WMD's. Bush failed miserably in finding Osama binLaden. Bush is failing with the economy. Bush is failing with his energy plans. Bush is failing, period. Ap Weapons Inspector Ends WMD Search in Iraq By KATHERINE SHRADER WASHINGTON - Wrapping up his investigation into Saddam Hussein's purported arsenal, the CIA's top weapons hunter in Iraq said his search for weapons of mass destruction "has been exhausted" without finding any. Nor did he find any evidence that such weapons were shipped officially from Iraq to Syria to be hidden before the U.S. invasion Hey, we all know that Bush was eager for the war to prop himself up in the polls, and to continue to scare the crap out of the voters. My new favorite photo of Bush shows him playing pattyfingers with the Clown Prince of Saudi Arabia. Birds of a feather hold hands together. |
"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net... wrote in message ups.com... Let's see, Bush failed miserably in trying to find WMD's. Bush failed miserably in finding Osama binLaden. Bush is failing with the economy. Bush is failing with his energy plans. Bush is failing, period. Ap Weapons Inspector Ends WMD Search in Iraq By KATHERINE SHRADER WASHINGTON - Wrapping up his investigation into Saddam Hussein's purported arsenal, the CIA's top weapons hunter in Iraq said his search for weapons of mass destruction "has been exhausted" without finding any. Nor did he find any evidence that such weapons were shipped officially from Iraq to Syria to be hidden before the U.S. invasion You missed a key portion of the report: "However ISG was unable to rule out unofficial movement of limited WMD-related materials." And how did they come to the conclusion that Iraq didn't "officially" ship WMD to Syria? Here's how: Detained Iraqi officials "uniformly denied any knowledge of residual WMD that have been secreted to Syria," the report said. What we'll probably learn later is that if there were any significant weapons, they were black-marketed away more than they were "officially" moved. We'll probably also learn that the Iraqi officials you mentioned made small PERSONAL fortunes with this activity. This would fit a pattern that was already revealed over the past two years: Vast amounts of new or salvaged non-military construction materials have vanished from Iraq and shown up over the border. Remember that when you destroy a country's economy, you have to expect its citizens to do whatever's necessary to make money. This assumes, of course, that your head is not clouded by thoughts of divine inspiration. |
NOYB,
I can just see the Hanson Bros. now claiming the CIA report is biased. If you want to know the truth it is important that we rely on the Liberal News to interpret the information for us. "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "ME ME ME" wrote in message ... NOYB, I am sure you noticed, but these LiberalTrash Mouthbreathers very rarely read any of the articles they cut and paste. If they do read them, they don't have the ability to understand what they are reading. I know. That's why I'm helping them out. Here's the first paragraph of the "new" report: "Prewar Movement of WMD Material Out of Iraq ISG formed a working group to investigate the possibility of the evacuation of WMD-related material from Iraq prior to the 2003 war. This group spent several months examining documents, interviewing former Iraqi offi cials, examining previous intelligence reports, and conducting some site investigations. The declining security situation limited and finally halted this investigation. The results remain inconclusive, but further investigation may be undertaken when circumstances on the ground improve." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's certainly a far cry from the headlines that the liberal press are firing off! Read the report yourself: http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_...04/addenda.pdf |
correction already made as soon as I hit the send button - "Droolers"
That will happen when you are typing while on a conference call. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Drowlers? This, from a boy who can't seem to operate news reader software correctly? "ME ME ME" wrote in message ... Wow, leave it up to mouth drowlers to do a silly cut and paste and then jump around high 5'ing each other. Now we can wait and watch Jimcomma chime in with his "yeah whatever they said". I don't believe any of the prolific cut and pasters have presented any new political information in 5 years. I guess if all you can do is cut and paste an article, and jump up and down with your LiberalTrash Zombies, rec.boats provides these people with cheap thrills. "Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... wrote: Let's see, Bush failed miserably in trying to find WMD's. Bush failed miserably in finding Osama binLaden. Bush is failing with the economy. Bush is failing with his energy plans. Bush is failing, period. Ap Weapons Inspector Ends WMD Search in Iraq By KATHERINE SHRADER WASHINGTON - Wrapping up his investigation into Saddam Hussein's purported arsenal, the CIA's top weapons hunter in Iraq said his search for weapons of mass destruction "has been exhausted" without finding any. Nor did he find any evidence that such weapons were shipped officially from Iraq to Syria to be hidden before the U.S. invasion Hey, we all know that Bush was eager for the war to prop himself up in the polls, and to continue to scare the crap out of the voters. My new favorite photo of Bush shows him playing pattyfingers with the Clown Prince of Saudi Arabia. Birds of a feather hold hands together. |
Harry,
It is nice to see you are hanging on my every word. Some people think you are obsessed with me, I think you are grateful for my wit and superior wisdom. PS - If you have any additional questions concerning my personal life, please feel free to ask. "harry.krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: Drowlers? This, from a boy who can't seem to operate news reader software correctly? "ME ME ME" wrote in message ... Wow, leave it up to mouth drowlers to do a silly cut and paste and then jump around high 5'ing each other. Now we can wait and watch Jimcomma chime in with his "yeah whatever they said". Hey...it's "Smithers." He's had to borrow someone's fingers and toes to keep track of his nearly 40 identities here. Smithers is just another member of the reichwing droolers' club - Hertvik, Herring, Robbins, Wally, Fritz, Tuuk, et cetera. And of course, our latest collection f "anonymized" posters. -- Bush and the NeoConvicts who control him are destroying the once-great United States. |
NYOB,
I found a great picture of the Hanson Bros. at this site: http://www.slap-shot.com/ The picture is approximately 2/3 of the way down the page and is titled: "Hanson Brothers 8 X 10 Slot Car Autographed Photo Signed by All Three Hanson Brothers" It's a great picture of all three brothers. "ME ME ME" wrote in message news:... NOYB, I can just see the Hanson Bros. now claiming the CIA report is biased. If you want to know the truth it is important that we rely on the Liberal News to interpret the information for us. "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "ME ME ME" wrote in message ... NOYB, I am sure you noticed, but these LiberalTrash Mouthbreathers very rarely read any of the articles they cut and paste. If they do read them, they don't have the ability to understand what they are reading. I know. That's why I'm helping them out. Here's the first paragraph of the "new" report: "Prewar Movement of WMD Material Out of Iraq ISG formed a working group to investigate the possibility of the evacuation of WMD-related material from Iraq prior to the 2003 war. This group spent several months examining documents, interviewing former Iraqi offi cials, examining previous intelligence reports, and conducting some site investigations. The declining security situation limited and finally halted this investigation. The results remain inconclusive, but further investigation may be undertaken when circumstances on the ground improve." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's certainly a far cry from the headlines that the liberal press are firing off! Read the report yourself: http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_...04/addenda.pdf |
As you notice he continues to have an obsession with me also. I am always
first in his list. I must really have hit home when detailing his lies and internet stalking, including his stalking of me and my wife and his threats to both of us. Heck, he even went to the trouble of finding a picture of our house. The man is mentally unstable. "ME ME ME" wrote in message ... Harry, It is nice to see you are hanging on my every word. Some people think you are obsessed with me, I think you are grateful for my wit and superior wisdom. PS - If you have any additional questions concerning my personal life, please feel free to ask. "harry.krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: Drowlers? This, from a boy who can't seem to operate news reader software correctly? "ME ME ME" wrote in message ... Wow, leave it up to mouth drowlers to do a silly cut and paste and then jump around high 5'ing each other. Now we can wait and watch Jimcomma chime in with his "yeah whatever they said". Hey...it's "Smithers." He's had to borrow someone's fingers and toes to keep track of his nearly 40 identities here. Smithers is just another member of the reichwing droolers' club - Hertvik, Herring, Robbins, Wally, Fritz, Tuuk, et cetera. And of course, our latest collection f "anonymized" posters. -- Bush and the NeoConvicts who control him are destroying the once-great United States. |
"JimH" wrote in message ... As you notice he continues to have an obsession with me also. I am always first in his list. I must really have hit home when detailing his lies and internet stalking, including his stalking of me and my wife and his threats to both of us. That is because we refuse to be his personal buttboy like donny, kevin and jimmycomma Heck, he even went to the trouble of finding a picture of our house. The man is mentally unstable. "ME ME ME" wrote in message ... Harry, It is nice to see you are hanging on my every word. Some people think you are obsessed with me, I think you are grateful for my wit and superior wisdom. PS - If you have any additional questions concerning my personal life, please feel free to ask. "harry.krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: Drowlers? This, from a boy who can't seem to operate news reader software correctly? "ME ME ME" wrote in message ... Wow, leave it up to mouth drowlers to do a silly cut and paste and then jump around high 5'ing each other. Now we can wait and watch Jimcomma chime in with his "yeah whatever they said". Hey...it's "Smithers." He's had to borrow someone's fingers and toes to keep track of his nearly 40 identities here. Smithers is just another member of the reichwing droolers' club - Hertvik, Herring, Robbins, Wally, Fritz, Tuuk, et cetera. And of course, our latest collection f "anonymized" posters. -- Bush and the NeoConvicts who control him are destroying the once-great United States. |
Harry.Krause wrote:
snip.... My new favorite photo of Bush shows him playing pattyfingers with the Clown Prince of Saudi Arabia. Birds of a feather hold hands together. Wasn't that precious! Reminded me of high school...only then opposite sexes did it. |
Mo
"The investigation centered on the possibility that WMD materials were moved to Syria. As is obvious from other sections of the Comprehensive Report, Syria was involved in transactions and shipments of military and other material to Iraq in contravention of the UN sanctions. This indicated a fl exibility with respect to international law and a strong willingness to work with Iraq-at least when there was considerable profi t for those involved. Whether Syria received military items from Iraq for safekeeping or other reasons has yet to be determined." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then why is mainstream media overstating the conclusions of the report and stating it as "conclusive evidence"? |
"NOYB" wrote in message hlink.net... Mo "The investigation centered on the possibility that WMD materials were moved to Syria. As is obvious from other sections of the Comprehensive Report, Syria was involved in transactions and shipments of military and other material to Iraq in contravention of the UN sanctions. This indicated a fl exibility with respect to international law and a strong willingness to work with Iraq-at least when there was considerable profi t for those involved. Whether Syria received military items from Iraq for safekeeping or other reasons has yet to be determined." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then why is mainstream media overstating the conclusions of the report and stating it as "conclusive evidence"? And some mo "There was evidence of a discussion of possible WMD collaboration initiated by a Syrian security officer, and ISG received information about movement of material out of Iraq, including the possibility that WMD was involved. In the judgment of the working group, these reports were sufficiently credible to merit further investigation. ISG was unable to complete its investigation and is unable to rule out the possibility that WMD was evacuated to Syria before the war." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "unable to complete its investigation"?!?!?!? "possibility that WMD was evacuated to Syria before the war"?!?!? That's hardly "conclusive evidence" that WMD didn't exist!!! |
ME ME ME wrote: Wow, leave it up to mouth drowlers to do a silly cut and paste and then jump around high 5'ing each other. Now we can wait and watch Jimcomma chime in with his "yeah whatever they said". Hehe! If you are going to try and act like you know something, at least learn to spell "droolers"!!!! |
NOYB wrote: "ME ME ME" wrote in message ... NOYB, I am sure you noticed, but these LiberalTrash Mouthbreathers very rarely read any of the articles they cut and paste. If they do read them, they don't have the ability to understand what they are reading. I know. That's why I'm helping them out. Hehe, two peas in a pod........ a lot can be said about the company you keep, NOYB |
Kevin,
I am way ahead of you, I corrected my typo 30 secs. after posting the original. Many times I type a response on here when I am in a conference call, and I do make typos and syntax errors, but I always know what I am reading. I don't cut and paste articles that disprove my subject heading. Now go back to high 5'ing the other Hanson Bros. wrote in message oups.com... ME ME ME wrote: Wow, leave it up to mouth drowlers to do a silly cut and paste and then jump around high 5'ing each other. Now we can wait and watch Jimcomma chime in with his "yeah whatever they said". Hehe! If you are going to try and act like you know something, at least learn to spell "droolers"!!!! |
"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net... "unable to complete its investigation"?!?!?!? "possibility that WMD was evacuated to Syria before the war"?!?!? That's hardly "conclusive evidence" that WMD didn't exist!!! I know you're busy, so I can understand that you've forgotten how I explained this to you at least twice in the past. Print it out this time so you can refer to it when necessary. Shortly after 9/11, your president, Karl Rove, began announcing (via his boy, GWB) that he knew there were WMDs, and that he knew exactly where they were. But, for reasons you and I can only guess, Rove decided to rattle his sword for almost 7 months before actually doing anything about these weapons. By doing so, he gave one party or another plenty of time to move the materials elsewhere. Various reasons have been given for this delay, by people in this newsgroup. 1) "It takes a long time to prepare ground forces for an invasion." This is true, but irrelevant. If Rove knew exactly where they were, air strikes could have dealt with at least some of the locations. Excuse warning: "Saddam hides things near civilians, so we couldn't have used air strikes". Bull****. We dropped plenty of bombs near civilian populations. 2) "We couldn't have used air strikes because such-and-such country didn't want us using their air strips." Bull****. Ship-launched cruise missiles have enough range to get around distance limitations. Rove did not want to use this option because, in fact, he did NOT know where the WMDs were. 3) "Rove wanted to give the U.N. time to do blah blah blah so he could appear to have made a fair decision". Bull****. His mind was made up well before U.N. options had run out. If the military had been ready to go in October of that year instead of March of the next, Rove would've sent them in. So, please, cut the crap. If there were WMDs, your president wanted them gone. Use your imagination and you can figure out the reasons. I'll admit there may have been just ONE good reason to allow them to be smuggled out: To make the country a bit safer for our troops. But, since your president can't arrange for vehicle armor, I doubt he really cared much whether soldiers were exposed to chemical or biological weapons. |
"ME ME ME" wrote in message ... Kevin, I am way ahead of you, I corrected my typo 30 secs. after posting the original. Many times I type a response on here when I am in a conference call, and I do make typos and syntax errors, but I always know what I am reading. I don't cut and paste articles that disprove my subject heading. Now go back to high 5'ing the other Hanson Bros. Kevin has always been a little (okay......a LOT) slow on the uptake. Probably due to his head constantly being in harry' brown fog. wrote in message oups.com... ME ME ME wrote: Wow, leave it up to mouth drowlers to do a silly cut and paste and then jump around high 5'ing each other. Now we can wait and watch Jimcomma chime in with his "yeah whatever they said". Hehe! If you are going to try and act like you know something, at least learn to spell "droolers"!!!! |
NOYB wrote: The Duelfer report left open the possibility that an "unofficial" transfer of weapons took place from Iraq to Syria. Man, you sure try hard to defend the current doofus in chief!!! So, let me get this straight. Because someone didn't explicitly say something in a report, then what he DIDN'T say is, in your eyes, what happened? Well, then, he also didn't say that Bush is stupid, so does that mean that Bush IS stupid??? |
wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: The Duelfer report left open the possibility that an "unofficial" transfer of weapons took place from Iraq to Syria. Man, you sure try hard to defend the current doofus in chief!!! So, let me get this straight. Because someone didn't explicitly say something in a report, then what he DIDN'T say is, in your eyes, what happened? Well, then, he also didn't say that Bush is stupid, so does that mean that Bush IS stupid??? Uh oh. Ticking logic bomb. I like it. :-) Have a beer. |
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "unable to complete its investigation"?!?!?!? "possibility that WMD was evacuated to Syria before the war"?!?!? That's hardly "conclusive evidence" that WMD didn't exist!!! I know you're busy, so I can understand that you've forgotten how I explained this to you at least twice in the past. Print it out this time so you can refer to it when necessary. Shortly after 9/11, your president, Karl Rove, began announcing (via his boy, GWB) that he knew there were WMDs, and that he knew exactly where they were. But, for reasons you and I can only guess, Rove decided to rattle his sword for almost 7 months before actually doing anything about these weapons. By doing so, he gave one party or another plenty of time to move the materials elsewhere. Various reasons have been given for this delay, by people in this newsgroup. 1) "It takes a long time to prepare ground forces for an invasion." This is true, but irrelevant. If Rove knew exactly where they were, air strikes could have dealt with at least some of the locations. Rove never said such a thing...particularly 7 months before the invasion. If you're convinced that he did, then a simple google search should provide you with the necessary references to support your claim, right? Excuse warning: "Saddam hides things near civilians, so we couldn't have used air strikes". Bull****. We dropped plenty of bombs near civilian populations. 2) "We couldn't have used air strikes because such-and-such country didn't want us using their air strips." Bull****. Ship-launched cruise missiles have enough range to get around distance limitations. Rove did not want to use this option because, in fact, he did NOT know where the WMDs were. Ipso facto, if Saddam had WMD, he was in violation of sanctions. Why launch cruise missiles? So you can emulate your predecessor and create a facade to make people *think* that you're actually doing something? 3) "Rove wanted to give the U.N. time to do blah blah blah so he could appear to have made a fair decision". Bull****. His mind was made up well before U.N. options had run out. If the military had been ready to go in October of that year instead of March of the next, Rove would've sent them in. Probably. But they had to at least create the appearance that they gave the UN a chance to establish its relevancy in the World. The UN blew that chance. So, please, cut the crap. If there were WMDs, your president wanted them gone. Use your imagination and you can figure out the reasons. I'll admit there may have been just ONE good reason to allow them to be smuggled out: To make the country a bit safer for our troops. But, since your president can't arrange for vehicle armor, I doubt he really cared much whether soldiers were exposed to chemical or biological weapons. I can think of another good reason to allow them to be smuggled out: We weren't ready to militarily engage the Russians who were helping Saddam sneak the WMD from his country to Syria. |
wrote in message oups.com... NOYB wrote: The Duelfer report left open the possibility that an "unofficial" transfer of weapons took place from Iraq to Syria. Man, you sure try hard to defend the current doofus in chief!!! So, let me get this straight. Because someone didn't explicitly say something in a report, then what he DIDN'T say is, in your eyes, what happened? Well, then, he also didn't say that Bush is stupid, so does that mean that Bush IS stupid??? Read the report. |
Doug,
If there were not WMD in Iraq, why did every single political since 1990 (liberal, conservative, moderate, Republican or Democrat) publicly state they had proof that Iraq had WMD. Did all of them, including your boy Clinton, lie to you? All western intelligence agencies believed Iraq had WMD. Right or wrong, GWB was the only president who acted on a universally agreed upon danger to the region and western economy. GWB used 9/11 as a catalyst to overthrow a dictator who had used WMD many times in the past. Just as FDR used the Japanese as the catalyst to enter an unpopular war, GWB used 9/11 to enter an unpopular war, to correct a dangerous situation in a very unstable region. Most historians agree FDR implemented a economic boycott on Japan, to encourage Japan to commit an act of war against the US. The act of war would force the Axis Powers to declare war against the US, allowing the US to come to the aid of Britain. When you say Rowe and GWB lied to the world concerning WMD, remember if that is true, every politician in the US lied to world since 1990. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "unable to complete its investigation"?!?!?!? "possibility that WMD was evacuated to Syria before the war"?!?!? That's hardly "conclusive evidence" that WMD didn't exist!!! I know you're busy, so I can understand that you've forgotten how I explained this to you at least twice in the past. Print it out this time so you can refer to it when necessary. Shortly after 9/11, your president, Karl Rove, began announcing (via his boy, GWB) that he knew there were WMDs, and that he knew exactly where they were. But, for reasons you and I can only guess, Rove decided to rattle his sword for almost 7 months before actually doing anything about these weapons. By doing so, he gave one party or another plenty of time to move the materials elsewhere. Various reasons have been given for this delay, by people in this newsgroup. 1) "It takes a long time to prepare ground forces for an invasion." This is true, but irrelevant. If Rove knew exactly where they were, air strikes could have dealt with at least some of the locations. Excuse warning: "Saddam hides things near civilians, so we couldn't have used air strikes". Bull****. We dropped plenty of bombs near civilian populations. 2) "We couldn't have used air strikes because such-and-such country didn't want us using their air strips." Bull****. Ship-launched cruise missiles have enough range to get around distance limitations. Rove did not want to use this option because, in fact, he did NOT know where the WMDs were. 3) "Rove wanted to give the U.N. time to do blah blah blah so he could appear to have made a fair decision". Bull****. His mind was made up well before U.N. options had run out. If the military had been ready to go in October of that year instead of March of the next, Rove would've sent them in. So, please, cut the crap. If there were WMDs, your president wanted them gone. Use your imagination and you can figure out the reasons. I'll admit there may have been just ONE good reason to allow them to be smuggled out: To make the country a bit safer for our troops. But, since your president can't arrange for vehicle armor, I doubt he really cared much whether soldiers were exposed to chemical or biological weapons. |
"NOYB" wrote in message link.net... Rove never said such a thing...particularly 7 months before the invasion. If you're convinced that he did, then a simple google search should provide you with the necessary references to support your claim, right? Here's a comprehensive listing of what the administration DID say........ http://www.rotten.com/library/history/war/wmd/saddam I like this one, my how the story changed......... 24 Feb 2001 In Cairo, Secretary of State Colin Powell declares: "He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors." |
"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "unable to complete its investigation"?!?!?!? "possibility that WMD was evacuated to Syria before the war"?!?!? That's hardly "conclusive evidence" that WMD didn't exist!!! I know you're busy, so I can understand that you've forgotten how I explained this to you at least twice in the past. Print it out this time so you can refer to it when necessary. Shortly after 9/11, your president, Karl Rove, began announcing (via his boy, GWB) that he knew there were WMDs, and that he knew exactly where they were. But, for reasons you and I can only guess, Rove decided to rattle his sword for almost 7 months before actually doing anything about these weapons. By doing so, he gave one party or another plenty of time to move the materials elsewhere. Various reasons have been given for this delay, by people in this newsgroup. 1) "It takes a long time to prepare ground forces for an invasion." This is true, but irrelevant. If Rove knew exactly where they were, air strikes could have dealt with at least some of the locations. Rove never said such a thing...particularly 7 months before the invasion. If you're convinced that he did, then a simple google search should provide you with the necessary references to support your claim, right? OK. I generalized. Try this: At the moment president Rove said he knew where they were, he did not move. Doesn't matter when he said it, really. Excuse warning: "Saddam hides things near civilians, so we couldn't have used air strikes". Bull****. We dropped plenty of bombs near civilian populations. 2) "We couldn't have used air strikes because such-and-such country didn't want us using their air strips." Bull****. Ship-launched cruise missiles have enough range to get around distance limitations. Rove did not want to use this option because, in fact, he did NOT know where the WMDs were. Ipso facto, if Saddam had WMD, he was in violation of sanctions. Why launch cruise missiles? So you can emulate your predecessor and create a facade to make people *think* that you're actually doing something? Why launch? Because according to comments from Colin Powell, who ought to know what he's talking about, ****SOME**** of the weapons could have been safely destroyed via air strikes, while others were better dealt with more carefully, "by hand", if you will. But, president Rove chose to do nothing. 3) "Rove wanted to give the U.N. time to do blah blah blah so he could appear to have made a fair decision". Bull****. His mind was made up well before U.N. options had run out. If the military had been ready to go in October of that year instead of March of the next, Rove would've sent them in. Probably. But they had to at least create the appearance that they gave the UN a chance to establish its relevancy in the World. The UN blew that chance. Why bother with appearances, when the entire plan was designed with absolutely no consideration for our image in the world? So, please, cut the crap. If there were WMDs, your president wanted them gone. Use your imagination and you can figure out the reasons. I'll admit there may have been just ONE good reason to allow them to be smuggled out: To make the country a bit safer for our troops. But, since your president can't arrange for vehicle armor, I doubt he really cared much whether soldiers were exposed to chemical or biological weapons. I can think of another good reason to allow them to be smuggled out: We weren't ready to militarily engage the Russians who were helping Saddam sneak the WMD from his country to Syria. Oh boy. You think there were frightening numbers of Russian soldiers waiting for us? |
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... When you say Rowe and GWB lied to the world concerning WMD, remember if that is true, every politician in the US lied to world since 1990. That may well be true. However, as you know by now, highly competent inspectors found zip. This included people who did not have pansy-ass foreign accents or work for that sissy organization, the U.N. |
Doug,
Don't you agree that the WMD Iraq had used in the past had probably been shipped somewhere else? Certainly you do not believe Iraq destroyed them secretly? If they wanted to destroy them, they would have done that publicly so the UN would have removed the economic boycott against Iraq. Bush is a dummy, but even he would not believe that. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "ME ME ME" wrote in message ... When you say Rowe and GWB lied to the world concerning WMD, remember if that is true, every politician in the US lied to world since 1990. That may well be true. However, as you know by now, highly competent inspectors found zip. This included people who did not have pansy-ass foreign accents or work for that sissy organization, the U.N. |
"John A" wrote in message .com... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... Rove never said such a thing...particularly 7 months before the invasion. If you're convinced that he did, then a simple google search should provide you with the necessary references to support your claim, right? Here's a comprehensive listing of what the administration DID say........ http://www.rotten.com/library/history/war/wmd/saddam I like this one, my how the story changed......... 24 Feb 2001 In Cairo, Secretary of State Colin Powell declares: "He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors." No references to any of the statements they "quote" How convenient. www.rotten.com What a reliable source for news. LMAO. |
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "unable to complete its investigation"?!?!?!? "possibility that WMD was evacuated to Syria before the war"?!?!? That's hardly "conclusive evidence" that WMD didn't exist!!! I know you're busy, so I can understand that you've forgotten how I explained this to you at least twice in the past. Print it out this time so you can refer to it when necessary. Shortly after 9/11, your president, Karl Rove, began announcing (via his boy, GWB) that he knew there were WMDs, and that he knew exactly where they were. But, for reasons you and I can only guess, Rove decided to rattle his sword for almost 7 months before actually doing anything about these weapons. By doing so, he gave one party or another plenty of time to move the materials elsewhere. Various reasons have been given for this delay, by people in this newsgroup. 1) "It takes a long time to prepare ground forces for an invasion." This is true, but irrelevant. If Rove knew exactly where they were, air strikes could have dealt with at least some of the locations. Rove never said such a thing...particularly 7 months before the invasion. If you're convinced that he did, then a simple google search should provide you with the necessary references to support your claim, right? OK. I generalized. Try this: At the moment president Rove said he knew where they were, he did not move. Doesn't matter when he said it, really. Excuse warning: "Saddam hides things near civilians, so we couldn't have used air strikes". Bull****. We dropped plenty of bombs near civilian populations. 2) "We couldn't have used air strikes because such-and-such country didn't want us using their air strips." Bull****. Ship-launched cruise missiles have enough range to get around distance limitations. Rove did not want to use this option because, in fact, he did NOT know where the WMDs were. Ipso facto, if Saddam had WMD, he was in violation of sanctions. Why launch cruise missiles? So you can emulate your predecessor and create a facade to make people *think* that you're actually doing something? Why launch? Because according to comments from Colin Powell, who ought to know what he's talking about, ****SOME**** of the weapons could have been safely destroyed via air strikes, while others were better dealt with more carefully, "by hand", if you will. But, president Rove chose to do nothing. 3) "Rove wanted to give the U.N. time to do blah blah blah so he could appear to have made a fair decision". Bull****. His mind was made up well before U.N. options had run out. If the military had been ready to go in October of that year instead of March of the next, Rove would've sent them in. Probably. But they had to at least create the appearance that they gave the UN a chance to establish its relevancy in the World. The UN blew that chance. Why bother with appearances, when the entire plan was designed with absolutely no consideration for our image in the world? Because the administration gave the French and Russians a chance to atone for their sins of sending banned arms to Saddam. As the Oil-for-food scandal unfurled, it became evident that neither of those two countries would have budged and inch no matter what we negotiated. So, please, cut the crap. If there were WMDs, your president wanted them gone. Use your imagination and you can figure out the reasons. I'll admit there may have been just ONE good reason to allow them to be smuggled out: To make the country a bit safer for our troops. But, since your president can't arrange for vehicle armor, I doubt he really cared much whether soldiers were exposed to chemical or biological weapons. I can think of another good reason to allow them to be smuggled out: We weren't ready to militarily engage the Russians who were helping Saddam sneak the WMD from his country to Syria. Oh boy. You think there were frightening numbers of Russian soldiers waiting for us? No. And I never said that. But there were plenty of Russian soldiers elsewhere in the world that we didn't want to drag into our fight in Iraq. |
"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net... Why bother with appearances, when the entire plan was designed with absolutely no consideration for our image in the world? Because the administration gave the French and Russians a chance to atone for their sins of sending banned arms to Saddam. As the Oil-for-food scandal unfurled, it became evident that neither of those two countries would have budged and inch no matter what we negotiated. I don't buy it, but that's just how I am. So, please, cut the crap. If there were WMDs, your president wanted them gone. Use your imagination and you can figure out the reasons. I'll admit there may have been just ONE good reason to allow them to be smuggled out: To make the country a bit safer for our troops. But, since your president can't arrange for vehicle armor, I doubt he really cared much whether soldiers were exposed to chemical or biological weapons. I can think of another good reason to allow them to be smuggled out: We weren't ready to militarily engage the Russians who were helping Saddam sneak the WMD from his country to Syria. Oh boy. You think there were frightening numbers of Russian soldiers waiting for us? No. And I never said that. But there were plenty of Russian soldiers elsewhere in the world that we didn't want to drag into our fight in Iraq. Time out. If, theoretically, president Rove actually knew which trucks were hauling stuff out of Iraq, he wouldn't have gone after them because...why? You think the Russians would've swarmed in from wherever to mess with us??? |
First of all, unlike you and I, there are people who know quite a bit about
chemical and biological weapons. Quite a few of those people stated clearly that some of the weapons had definite "shelf lives", and that the weapons used against the Iraqi people in the distant past would've been far from useful by 2001-2002. Second, you may have to allow for the possibility that Saddam had a more personal motive, if he destroyed the weapons secretly: Making a fool look like an even bigger fool (GWB, in other words). Saddam is not a stupid man. He knew full well that he could skirt the economic sanctions easily. He didn't need to put on a show to impress the U.N. "ME ME ME" wrote in message ... Doug, Don't you agree that the WMD Iraq had used in the past had probably been shipped somewhere else? Certainly you do not believe Iraq destroyed them secretly? If they wanted to destroy them, they would have done that publicly so the UN would have removed the economic boycott against Iraq. Bush is a dummy, but even he would not believe that. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "ME ME ME" wrote in message ... When you say Rowe and GWB lied to the world concerning WMD, remember if that is true, every politician in the US lied to world since 1990. That may well be true. However, as you know by now, highly competent inspectors found zip. This included people who did not have pansy-ass foreign accents or work for that sissy organization, the U.N. |
Doug,
I guess you are correct. Saddam played a great game of poker against GWB. He made GWB look foolish with his statements concerning WMD. Spending the rest of his life in prison, giving up his palaces and wealth was a small price to pay to rub GWB's nose in it. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... First of all, unlike you and I, there are people who know quite a bit about chemical and biological weapons. Quite a few of those people stated clearly that some of the weapons had definite "shelf lives", and that the weapons used against the Iraqi people in the distant past would've been far from useful by 2001-2002. Second, you may have to allow for the possibility that Saddam had a more personal motive, if he destroyed the weapons secretly: Making a fool look like an even bigger fool (GWB, in other words). Saddam is not a stupid man. He knew full well that he could skirt the economic sanctions easily. He didn't need to put on a show to impress the U.N. "ME ME ME" wrote in message ... Doug, Don't you agree that the WMD Iraq had used in the past had probably been shipped somewhere else? Certainly you do not believe Iraq destroyed them secretly? If they wanted to destroy them, they would have done that publicly so the UN would have removed the economic boycott against Iraq. Bush is a dummy, but even he would not believe that. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "ME ME ME" wrote in message ... When you say Rowe and GWB lied to the world concerning WMD, remember if that is true, every politician in the US lied to world since 1990. That may well be true. However, as you know by now, highly competent inspectors found zip. This included people who did not have pansy-ass foreign accents or work for that sissy organization, the U.N. |
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... Why bother with appearances, when the entire plan was designed with absolutely no consideration for our image in the world? Because the administration gave the French and Russians a chance to atone for their sins of sending banned arms to Saddam. As the Oil-for-food scandal unfurled, it became evident that neither of those two countries would have budged and inch no matter what we negotiated. I don't buy it, but that's just how I am. So, please, cut the crap. If there were WMDs, your president wanted them gone. Use your imagination and you can figure out the reasons. I'll admit there may have been just ONE good reason to allow them to be smuggled out: To make the country a bit safer for our troops. But, since your president can't arrange for vehicle armor, I doubt he really cared much whether soldiers were exposed to chemical or biological weapons. I can think of another good reason to allow them to be smuggled out: We weren't ready to militarily engage the Russians who were helping Saddam sneak the WMD from his country to Syria. Oh boy. You think there were frightening numbers of Russian soldiers waiting for us? No. And I never said that. But there were plenty of Russian soldiers elsewhere in the world that we didn't want to drag into our fight in Iraq. Time out. If, theoretically, president Rove actually knew which trucks were hauling stuff out of Iraq You mean Russian trucks? Don't you remember the report of us hitting a Russian convoy heading to Syria (under the guise of a Diplomatic envoy) just a few weeks after the invasion started? If not, here is the report: http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/...nvoy.attacked/ We claimed that we had no forces in the area (special-ops always operates that way), yet Condi Rice made an emergency trip to Moscow the next day to smooth things over: http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/7133-3.cfm (You can bet she was armed with "proof" of Russian involvement in the evacuation of Iraqi WMD-related material and technology.) The administration obviously worked out a deal with the Russians. They'd shut up about US future involvement in Iraq (ironically, Putin practically endorsed Bush right before the election), and we'd keep lids on the evidence that we had accumulated. It was working very well, until John A. Shaw spilled the beans right before the election: http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...2637-6257r.htm At the time that that story was released, the White House did not condone (but did not criticize) Shaw, because the story was valuable for Bush's re-election bid. But not long after the election, Shaw was dismissed...most likely because the truth that he was spreading was interfering with our on-going negotiations with the Russians regarding their planned shipment of anti-aircraft missiles to Syria. http://www.jeffbrokaw.net/notes/2005...ced-to-resign/ |
"NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... Why bother with appearances, when the entire plan was designed with absolutely no consideration for our image in the world? Because the administration gave the French and Russians a chance to atone for their sins of sending banned arms to Saddam. As the Oil-for-food scandal unfurled, it became evident that neither of those two countries would have budged and inch no matter what we negotiated. I don't buy it, but that's just how I am. So, please, cut the crap. If there were WMDs, your president wanted them gone. Use your imagination and you can figure out the reasons. I'll admit there may have been just ONE good reason to allow them to be smuggled out: To make the country a bit safer for our troops. But, since your president can't arrange for vehicle armor, I doubt he really cared much whether soldiers were exposed to chemical or biological weapons. I can think of another good reason to allow them to be smuggled out: We weren't ready to militarily engage the Russians who were helping Saddam sneak the WMD from his country to Syria. Oh boy. You think there were frightening numbers of Russian soldiers waiting for us? No. And I never said that. But there were plenty of Russian soldiers elsewhere in the world that we didn't want to drag into our fight in Iraq. Time out. If, theoretically, president Rove actually knew which trucks were hauling stuff out of Iraq You mean Russian trucks? Don't you remember the report of us hitting a Russian convoy heading to Syria (under the guise of a Diplomatic envoy) just a few weeks after the invasion started? If not, here is the report: http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/...nvoy.attacked/ We claimed that we had no forces in the area (special-ops always operates that way), yet Condi Rice made an emergency trip to Moscow the next day to smooth things over: http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/7133-3.cfm (You can bet she was armed with "proof" of Russian involvement in the evacuation of Iraqi WMD-related material and technology.) The administration obviously worked out a deal with the Russians. They'd shut up about US future involvement in Iraq (ironically, Putin practically endorsed Bush right before the election), and we'd keep lids on the evidence that we had accumulated. It was working very well, until John A. Shaw spilled the beans right before the election: http://www.washingtontimes.com/natio...2637-6257r.htm At the time that that story was released, the White House did not condone (but did not criticize) Shaw, because the story was valuable for Bush's re-election bid. But not long after the election, Shaw was dismissed...most likely because the truth that he was spreading was interfering with our on-going negotiations with the Russians regarding their planned shipment of anti-aircraft missiles to Syria. http://www.jeffbrokaw.net/notes/2005...ced-to-resign/ Do you think Putin wouldn't have seen any further "investigations" as simply the cost of doing business? He was a spook, you know. Still is. |
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