Moderator?
 

Doesn't this board have a moderator? It's really a downer to see a once
fine source of information on boats and boating in general get polluted by
non boating garbage.

There are other sites where folks can spout off on non-boating topics.

jr

Moderator?
 

Ah come on, these guys? have some great ideas that we need. If you don't
agree you have to at least admire their relentlessness. At least some of
them do use the protocol of "OT" in the the subject allowing the rest of us
interested in boating to filter them out.
--
Ron White
Boat building web address is
www.concentric.net/~knotreel

Moderator?
 

Far as I can tell, someone wrote:
Doesn't this board have a moderator?

Born yesterday?
Probably fewer than 1/10 of 1% of Usegroups have moderators.

Just use a kill filter and block everyone who uses a boats boats group
to discuss politics.

Moderator?
 

Just set up a kill file for all those who post OT, and those who reply to
them. I also have (in Outlook) a key-word file, that will delete any message
with that word in the header. I populate that file with words like
"politics, war, wmd, bush, kerry, gop, iraq, president, election" ect.

Works great...just this morning there were 186 messages downloaded, and my
automatic filters took it down to 63...and they were all boating related.

Give it a try.

--
-Netsock

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."
http://home.insight.rr.com/cgreen/
"Joe. R" wrote in message
link.net...
Doesn't this board have a moderator? It's really a downer to see a once
fine source of information on boats and boating in general get polluted by
non boating garbage.

There are other sites where folks can spout off on non-boating topics.

jr

Moderator?
 

If you see a topic regarding bilge pumps, but you have no interest in that
at the moment, what do you do?

"Joe. R" wrote in message
link.net...
Doesn't this board have a moderator? It's really a downer to see a once
fine source of information on boats and boating in general get polluted by
non boating garbage.

There are other sites where folks can spout off on non-boating topics.

jr

Moderator?
 

Doug,

I know my post will not make a difference, but what has happened is that
most of the contributors who liked the forum as a group to discussion boats,
have long left this group. The regulars now come here to discuss politics
and ignore most posts concerning boats. As I said, I know the group wont'
change, but Joe's posts is a fair request. At one time, this group was 90%
on topic and 10% off topic, it is now about 80% OFF TOPIC and 20% on topic.
Since the group is not moderated, it will go whatever way the regulars want
it to go, but I am sure we will see less and less boating topics as this
group is taking over by those who think it is a political forum. It appears
that the regulars want this to be a political forum.





"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
If you see a topic regarding bilge pumps, but you have no interest in that
at the moment, what do you do?

"Joe. R" wrote in message
link.net...
Doesn't this board have a moderator? It's really a downer to see a once
fine source of information on boats and boating in general get polluted
by
non boating garbage.

There are other sites where folks can spout off on non-boating topics.

jr

Moderator?
 

It's more like rec.boats.kindergarten. I can't wait for spring. It will give
me an excuse to get off the net and on my boat.
--
Keith & Laura Koether
Pleasure Island
Blue Ribbon Marina, Hogan's Creek
Ohio River Mi. 497 RDB
http://thebayguide.com/rec.boats/koether.html

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:Ks42c.122743$4o.163236@attbi_s52...
Doug,

I know my post will not make a difference, but what has happened is that
most of the contributors who liked the forum as a group to discussion
boats,
have long left this group. The regulars now come here to discuss politics
and ignore most posts concerning boats. As I said, I know the group wont'
change, but Joe's posts is a fair request. At one time, this group was
90%
on topic and 10% off topic, it is now about 80% OFF TOPIC and 20% on
topic.
Since the group is not moderated, it will go whatever way the regulars
want
it to go, but I am sure we will see less and less boating topics as this
group is taking over by those who think it is a political forum. It
appears
that the regulars want this to be a political forum.





"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
If you see a topic regarding bilge pumps, but you have no interest in
that
at the moment, what do you do?

"Joe. R" wrote in message
link.net...
Doesn't this board have a moderator? It's really a downer to see a
once
fine source of information on boats and boating in general get
polluted
by
non boating garbage.

There are other sites where folks can spout off on non-boating topics.

jr

Moderator?
 

I'm sure the proportions will change as the boats go back in the water. But,
my question is still a valid one which some people can't answer. What do you
do when you see a boating question that's of no interest to you whatsoever?

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:Ks42c.122743$4o.163236@attbi_s52...
Doug,

I know my post will not make a difference, but what has happened is that
most of the contributors who liked the forum as a group to discussion
boats,
have long left this group. The regulars now come here to discuss politics
and ignore most posts concerning boats. As I said, I know the group wont'
change, but Joe's posts is a fair request. At one time, this group was
90%
on topic and 10% off topic, it is now about 80% OFF TOPIC and 20% on
topic.
Since the group is not moderated, it will go whatever way the regulars
want
it to go, but I am sure we will see less and less boating topics as this
group is taking over by those who think it is a political forum. It
appears
that the regulars want this to be a political forum.





"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
If you see a topic regarding bilge pumps, but you have no interest in
that
at the moment, what do you do?

"Joe. R" wrote in message
link.net...
Doesn't this board have a moderator? It's really a downer to see a
once
fine source of information on boats and boating in general get
polluted
by
non boating garbage.

There are other sites where folks can spout off on non-boating topics.

jr

Moderator?
 

I usually read them and if I have something to contribute I do. If I don't
then I don't.

--
Keith & Laura Koether
Pleasure Island
Blue Ribbon Marina, Hogan's Creek
Ohio River Mi. 497 RDB
http://thebayguide.com/rec.boats/koether.html

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
I'm sure the proportions will change as the boats go back in the water.
But,
my question is still a valid one which some people can't answer. What do
you
do when you see a boating question that's of no interest to you
whatsoever?

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:Ks42c.122743$4o.163236@attbi_s52...
Doug,

I know my post will not make a difference, but what has happened is that
most of the contributors who liked the forum as a group to discussion
boats,
have long left this group. The regulars now come here to discuss
politics
and ignore most posts concerning boats. As I said, I know the group
wont'
change, but Joe's posts is a fair request. At one time, this group was
90%
on topic and 10% off topic, it is now about 80% OFF TOPIC and 20% on
topic.
Since the group is not moderated, it will go whatever way the regulars
want
it to go, but I am sure we will see less and less boating topics as this
group is taking over by those who think it is a political forum. It
appears
that the regulars want this to be a political forum.





"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
If you see a topic regarding bilge pumps, but you have no interest in
that
at the moment, what do you do?

"Joe. R" wrote in message
link.net...
Doesn't this board have a moderator? It's really a downer to see a
once
fine source of information on boats and boating in general get
polluted
by
non boating garbage.

There are other sites where folks can spout off on non-boating
topics.

jr

Moderator?
 

OK, I'll bite. I don't read them so their content is not what is so
irrating, at least to me. It is their very exsistance, me having to find the
"bilge pump" posting that is easily missed after my eyes glaze over. Yes,
you are right about the seasonal aspect but still I just like to simply come
here to talk about boats, that is when I think I have something to say that
is helpful ( seldom). Meantime, I have set my subject and name of poster
filters to delete those that almost never seem to have anything to say about
the topic of the group. If I can get that fine tuned then things will be ok,
they can rage on off my screen.

--
Ron White
Boat building web address is
www.concentric.net/~knotreel

Moderator?
 

On 05 Mar 2004 16:05:48 EST, "Ron White"
wrote:

OK, I'll bite. I don't read them so their content is not what is so
irrating, at least to me. It is their very exsistance, me having to find the
"bilge pump" posting that is easily missed after my eyes glaze over. Yes,
you are right about the seasonal aspect but still I just like to simply come
here to talk about boats, that is when I think I have something to say that
is helpful ( seldom). Meantime, I have set my subject and name of poster
filters to delete those that almost never seem to have anything to say about
the topic of the group. If I can get that fine tuned then things will be ok,
they can rage on off my screen.

I don't know what program you use to read the newsgroups with, but
Forte's Agent does very well. It enables the sorting of posts by
thread, which greatly reduces the number of "subject" lines you must
wade through.

Works for me anyway.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Moderator?
 

But, my question is still a valid one which some people can't answer. What do
you
do when you see a boating question that's of no interest to you whatsoever?

Your question has no validity whatsoever. You should read about newsgroup
etiquette. What I read is none of your business. I came here to read about
BOATS. What good would your library be if everything was just mixed together?
If your so damn smart, why haven't you figured that out on your own?
The only reason you and your fellow off topic posters continue to spam us with
your worthless political opinions here is because you know your un-educated
rants would be crushed by someone who might actually know something about the
topic in the proper newsgroup.
In this group your constant off topic bull is spam and you are boring.
You have more nerve than a bad tooth asking people "what do you do when you see
something your not interested in?" Let me assure you were sure not interested
in yours or any of these other clowns opinions on politics. Only a total
jackass would look at the title of this group and think "hey, I bet these guys
discuss politics!".
The only people more stupid than that would be someone like yourself for trying
to defend your ignorance of newsgroup etiquette.

Moderator?
 

Doug,

The answer is obvious, you ignore it. Now, let me ask you a question, when
you read Basskisser, NOYB, Harry, jps, Tuuk, Wally etc. it is very obvious
that they do not come here to discuss boats, they like to discuss politics.
Many people enjoy discussing and arguing about politics, so they are not
unusal. What is unusual is that the prefer to discuss politcs in rec.boats.
Why not go to one of the politcal discussion groups?

Now your point is just ignore the posts if you don't like them. Well I do,
and many other do the same thing. What is the harm from people calling each
other names? The problem is that most of the very knowledgeable boaters,
mechanics, suppliers and people who used to enjoy discussing boats have left
this group because they found it too irrating seeing adults behavning like
children. The people who want to discuss boats or have questions answered
find their questions or requests for boating discussions are overlooked by
the regulars, because they really don't want to discuss boats. At one time,
the regulars would enjoy discussing boats and would get into OT discussions
as a way to pass the time. That is not the case today. Today the majority
of the regulars come here to argue politics and call their opponets names.
The poor person who comes in this group often finds his legitmate questions
ignored by the regulars because they are too busy with their political mud
slinging. That is the problem with 80% of the posts being off topic.

Now, do I believe anything I said will change the topics and political
trolling that goes on here? No way, I don't believe it will change, but you
are a smart person and you should understand why some people who come to
this newsgroup are offended by the 80% of off topic BS. It really would not
be so bad, if people actually made politcal statements that made sense, but
most of the posts are "you are stupid", the __________ are destroying the
world as we know it", you don't know anything, and I know it all. One of
the regulars who seems to be intellegent thinks if he uses profanity by
changing the spelling (ie dumfock) it makes it more politically correct. It
doesn't, all it does is make him look silly.

The person who started this thread, thought his comments would make a
difference. That showed that he is a newbie to rec.boats, but it was not an
unreasonable request.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
I'm sure the proportions will change as the boats go back in the water.
But,
my question is still a valid one which some people can't answer. What do
you
do when you see a boating question that's of no interest to you
whatsoever?

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:Ks42c.122743$4o.163236@attbi_s52...
Doug,

I know my post will not make a difference, but what has happened is that
most of the contributors who liked the forum as a group to discussion
boats,
have long left this group. The regulars now come here to discuss
politics
and ignore most posts concerning boats. As I said, I know the group
wont'
change, but Joe's posts is a fair request. At one time, this group was
90%
on topic and 10% off topic, it is now about 80% OFF TOPIC and 20% on
topic.
Since the group is not moderated, it will go whatever way the regulars
want
it to go, but I am sure we will see less and less boating topics as this
group is taking over by those who think it is a political forum. It
appears
that the regulars want this to be a political forum.





"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
If you see a topic regarding bilge pumps, but you have no interest in
that
at the moment, what do you do?

"Joe. R" wrote in message
link.net...
Doesn't this board have a moderator? It's really a downer to see a
once
fine source of information on boats and boating in general get
polluted
by
non boating garbage.

There are other sites where folks can spout off on non-boating
topics.

jr

Moderator?
 

If you need boating info from this group, do a google group search on
the topic needed. If it has to do with boats, its been discussed here
before.
Gordon
"John Smith" wrote in message
news:Ks42c.122743$4o.163236@attbi_s52...
Doug,

I know my post will not make a difference, but what has happened is that
most of the contributors who liked the forum as a group to discussion
boats,
have long left this group. The regulars now come here to discuss politics
and ignore most posts concerning boats. As I said, I know the group wont'
change, but Joe's posts is a fair request. At one time, this group was
90%
on topic and 10% off topic, it is now about 80% OFF TOPIC and 20% on
topic.
Since the group is not moderated, it will go whatever way the regulars
want
it to go, but I am sure we will see less and less boating topics as this
group is taking over by those who think it is a political forum. It
appears
that the regulars want this to be a political forum.





"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
If you see a topic regarding bilge pumps, but you have no interest in
that
at the moment, what do you do?

"Joe. R" wrote in message
link.net...
Doesn't this board have a moderator? It's really a downer to see a
once
fine source of information on boats and boating in general get
polluted
by
non boating garbage.

There are other sites where folks can spout off on non-boating topics.

jr

Moderator?
 

Far as I can tell, someone wrote:
I usually read them and if I have something to contribute I do. If I don't
then I don't.

That makes you one of the people ruining the group.

Moderator?
 

"Petey the Wonder Dog" wrote in message
...
Far as I can tell, someone wrote:
I usually read them and if I have something to contribute I do. If I
don't
then I don't.

That makes you one of the people ruining the group.

Maybe he doesn't contribute because someone he could only post what someone
has already posted. Why be redundant? Or, maybe he doesn't know the answer
to someone's question. You think he should start pulling ideas out of his
ass just to see his name in a message? :-)

Moderator?
 

If you're in a bar at a marina with friends, do you only talk about boats?

Moderator?
 

Actually, Basskisser, Harry, NOYB and jps post some very informative and
accurate responses to boating questions. I agree with you about the
name-calling, and Harry could lay off that routine a bit. But it's actually
been interesting to follow the evolution of a few of the more civilized
people here. People have often found that they agree more than they
disagree. John H and Noah are perfect examples of that. I could live next
door to John H and not kill him...I think.

As far as Tuuk, Wally, etc.....in every nice forest, there are weeds and
coyote droppings.


"John Smith" wrote in message
news:h%62c.186479$uV3.783757@attbi_s51...
Doug,

The answer is obvious, you ignore it. Now, let me ask you a question,
when
you read Basskisser, NOYB, Harry, jps, Tuuk, Wally etc. it is very obvious
that they do not come here to discuss boats, they like to discuss
politics.
Many people enjoy discussing and arguing about politics, so they are not
unusal. What is unusual is that the prefer to discuss politcs in
rec.boats.
Why not go to one of the politcal discussion groups?

Now your point is just ignore the posts if you don't like them. Well I
do,
and many other do the same thing. What is the harm from people calling
each
other names? The problem is that most of the very knowledgeable boaters,
mechanics, suppliers and people who used to enjoy discussing boats have
left
this group because they found it too irrating seeing adults behavning like
children. The people who want to discuss boats or have questions answered
find their questions or requests for boating discussions are overlooked by
the regulars, because they really don't want to discuss boats. At one
time,
the regulars would enjoy discussing boats and would get into OT
discussions
as a way to pass the time. That is not the case today. Today the
majority
of the regulars come here to argue politics and call their opponets names.
The poor person who comes in this group often finds his legitmate
questions
ignored by the regulars because they are too busy with their political mud
slinging. That is the problem with 80% of the posts being off topic.

Now, do I believe anything I said will change the topics and political
trolling that goes on here? No way, I don't believe it will change, but
you
are a smart person and you should understand why some people who come to
this newsgroup are offended by the 80% of off topic BS. It really would
not
be so bad, if people actually made politcal statements that made sense,
but
most of the posts are "you are stupid", the __________ are destroying the
world as we know it", you don't know anything, and I know it all. One of
the regulars who seems to be intellegent thinks if he uses profanity by
changing the spelling (ie dumfock) it makes it more politically correct.
It
doesn't, all it does is make him look silly.

The person who started this thread, thought his comments would make a
difference. That showed that he is a newbie to rec.boats, but it was not
an
unreasonable request.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
I'm sure the proportions will change as the boats go back in the water.
But,
my question is still a valid one which some people can't answer. What do
you
do when you see a boating question that's of no interest to you
whatsoever?

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:Ks42c.122743$4o.163236@attbi_s52...
Doug,

I know my post will not make a difference, but what has happened is
that
most of the contributors who liked the forum as a group to discussion
boats,
have long left this group. The regulars now come here to discuss
politics
and ignore most posts concerning boats. As I said, I know the group
wont'
change, but Joe's posts is a fair request. At one time, this group
was
90%
on topic and 10% off topic, it is now about 80% OFF TOPIC and 20% on
topic.
Since the group is not moderated, it will go whatever way the regulars
want
it to go, but I am sure we will see less and less boating topics as
this
group is taking over by those who think it is a political forum. It
appears
that the regulars want this to be a political forum.





"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
If you see a topic regarding bilge pumps, but you have no interest
in
that
at the moment, what do you do?

"Joe. R" wrote in message
link.net...
Doesn't this board have a moderator? It's really a downer to see
a
once
fine source of information on boats and boating in general get
polluted
by
non boating garbage.

There are other sites where folks can spout off on non-boating
topics.

jr

Moderator?
 

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 00:07:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Actually, Basskisser, Harry, NOYB and jps post some very informative and
accurate responses to boating questions. I agree with you about the
name-calling, and Harry could lay off that routine a bit. But it's actually
been interesting to follow the evolution of a few of the more civilized
people here. People have often found that they agree more than they
disagree. John H and Noah are perfect examples of that. I could live next
door to John H and not kill him...I think.

As far as Tuuk, Wally, etc.....in every nice forest, there are weeds and
coyote droppings.

That may be, but I'd sure as hell not let you borrow my mower!

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Moderator?
 

personally,I still read some of th posts,but pretty much this group has been
ruined by the OT assholes.

Moderator?
 

I was talking about the posts that relate to boating.


--
Keith & Laura Koether
Pleasure Island
Blue Ribbon Marina, Hogan's Creek
Ohio River Mi. 497 RDB
http://thebayguide.com/rec.boats/koether.html

"Petey the Wonder Dog" wrote in message
...
Far as I can tell, someone wrote:
I usually read them and if I have something to contribute I do. If I
don't
then I don't.

That makes you one of the people ruining the group.

Moderator?
 

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 00:07:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Actually, Basskisser, Harry, NOYB and jps post some very informative and
accurate responses to boating questions. I agree with you about the
name-calling, and Harry could lay off that routine a bit. But it's
actually
been interesting to follow the evolution of a few of the more civilized
people here. People have often found that they agree more than they
disagree. John H and Noah are perfect examples of that. I could live next
door to John H and not kill him...I think.

As far as Tuuk, Wally, etc.....in every nice forest, there are weeds and
coyote droppings.

That may be, but I'd sure as hell not let you borrow my mower!

Who cares? You're probably the type who buys a $200 mower every two years at
the BORG, instead of ponying up like a big boy and buying a real one. :-)

Moderator?
 

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 01:22:59 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 00:07:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Actually, Basskisser, Harry, NOYB and jps post some very informative and
accurate responses to boating questions. I agree with you about the
name-calling, and Harry could lay off that routine a bit. But it's
actually
been interesting to follow the evolution of a few of the more civilized
people here. People have often found that they agree more than they
disagree. John H and Noah are perfect examples of that. I could live next
door to John H and not kill him...I think.

As far as Tuuk, Wally, etc.....in every nice forest, there are weeds and
coyote droppings.

That may be, but I'd sure as hell not let you borrow my mower!

Who cares? You're probably the type who buys a $200 mower every two years at
the BORG, instead of ponying up like a big boy and buying a real one. :-)

For sure I don't pay more than $200 for one. My last one lasted almost
nine years, 'til I hit a metal spike and bent the crankshaft. That
mower never had an oil change nor a quart of oil added. Briggs and
Stratton engines are bullet proof. I wish I had one in my boat.

My next door neighbor must have about $600 invested in his POS Honda.
Every spring he has to take it in to get it tuned and started. It is
much prettier than mine though. I'd buy a Honda if I could put a B & S
engine on it. They're pretty.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Moderator?
 

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 01:22:59 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 00:07:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Actually, Basskisser, Harry, NOYB and jps post some very informative and
accurate responses to boating questions. I agree with you about the
name-calling, and Harry could lay off that routine a bit. But it's
actually
been interesting to follow the evolution of a few of the more civilized
people here. People have often found that they agree more than they
disagree. John H and Noah are perfect examples of that. I could live next
door to John H and not kill him...I think.

As far as Tuuk, Wally, etc.....in every nice forest, there are weeds and
coyote droppings.

That may be, but I'd sure as hell not let you borrow my mower!

Who cares? You're probably the type who buys a $200 mower every two years at
the BORG, instead of ponying up like a big boy and buying a real one. :-)


PS. That last post was boating related, in case you didn't notice.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Moderator?
 

On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 19:30:27 -0500, John H wrote:

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 00:07:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Actually, Basskisser, Harry, NOYB and jps post some very informative and
accurate responses to boating questions. I agree with you about the
name-calling, and Harry could lay off that routine a bit. But it's actually
been interesting to follow the evolution of a few of the more civilized
people here. People have often found that they agree more than they
disagree. John H and Noah are perfect examples of that. I could live next
door to John H and not kill him...I think.

As far as Tuuk, Wally, etc.....in every nice forest, there are weeds and
coyote droppings.

That may be, but I'd sure as hell not let you borrow my mower!

What's a "mower?"


John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Moderator?
 

Doug, you seem to be a reasonable guy, and you are right when I am in a
marina the subject can vary, but if it becomes a brawl I and most other
boaters just move their boat to a different marina. I think that we have
had many knowledgeable boaters pick up their boats and either move to
another marina, or just get out of boating all together. As I said, nothing
you or I say will make a difference, too many people seem to enjoy rolling
around in the mud, but let's not try to rationalize the behavior that goes
on in rec.boats as a discussion.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
If you're in a bar at a marina with friends, do you only talk about boats?

Moderator?
 

Doug, if basskisser, jps and Harry have been responding to boating posts in
the last few weeks it has gotten lost in the clutter. At one time, Harry
was one of the more information recreational boaters, while his demenor
might have left alot to be desired he still contributed to the general
boating knowldege in this group. It appears that about a year ago, he
decided it was more fun to troll for conservatives than to discuss boating.
As I said, I might have missed an occasional boating posts, but there hasn't
been many. All I would ask is dont' be so hard on the newbies when they
come in here and are amazed at the mud that gets throw in the group today.
Hopefully if we get enough new people in here the signal to noise ratio will
improve. The way I see it, we need to encourage new boaters to become
regulars in the group, instead of chasing them away.



"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Actually, Basskisser, Harry, NOYB and jps post some very informative and
accurate responses to boating questions. I agree with you about the
name-calling, and Harry could lay off that routine a bit. But it's
actually
been interesting to follow the evolution of a few of the more civilized
people here. People have often found that they agree more than they
disagree. John H and Noah are perfect examples of that. I could live next
door to John H and not kill him...I think.

As far as Tuuk, Wally, etc.....in every nice forest, there are weeds and
coyote droppings.


"John Smith" wrote in message
news:h%62c.186479$uV3.783757@attbi_s51...
Doug,

The answer is obvious, you ignore it. Now, let me ask you a question,
when
you read Basskisser, NOYB, Harry, jps, Tuuk, Wally etc. it is very
obvious
that they do not come here to discuss boats, they like to discuss
politics.
Many people enjoy discussing and arguing about politics, so they are not
unusal. What is unusual is that the prefer to discuss politcs in
rec.boats.
Why not go to one of the politcal discussion groups?

Now your point is just ignore the posts if you don't like them. Well I
do,
and many other do the same thing. What is the harm from people calling
each
other names? The problem is that most of the very knowledgeable
boaters,
mechanics, suppliers and people who used to enjoy discussing boats have
left
this group because they found it too irrating seeing adults behavning
like
children. The people who want to discuss boats or have questions
answered
find their questions or requests for boating discussions are overlooked
by
the regulars, because they really don't want to discuss boats. At one
time,
the regulars would enjoy discussing boats and would get into OT
discussions
as a way to pass the time. That is not the case today. Today the
majority
of the regulars come here to argue politics and call their opponets
names.
The poor person who comes in this group often finds his legitmate
questions
ignored by the regulars because they are too busy with their political
mud
slinging. That is the problem with 80% of the posts being off topic.

Now, do I believe anything I said will change the topics and political
trolling that goes on here? No way, I don't believe it will change, but
you
are a smart person and you should understand why some people who come to
this newsgroup are offended by the 80% of off topic BS. It really would
not
be so bad, if people actually made politcal statements that made sense,
but
most of the posts are "you are stupid", the __________ are destroying
the
world as we know it", you don't know anything, and I know it all. One
of
the regulars who seems to be intellegent thinks if he uses profanity by
changing the spelling (ie dumfock) it makes it more politically correct.
It
doesn't, all it does is make him look silly.

The person who started this thread, thought his comments would make a
difference. That showed that he is a newbie to rec.boats, but it was
not
an
unreasonable request.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
I'm sure the proportions will change as the boats go back in the
water.
But,
my question is still a valid one which some people can't answer. What
do
you
do when you see a boating question that's of no interest to you
whatsoever?

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:Ks42c.122743$4o.163236@attbi_s52...
Doug,

I know my post will not make a difference, but what has happened is
that
most of the contributors who liked the forum as a group to
discussion
boats,
have long left this group. The regulars now come here to discuss
politics
and ignore most posts concerning boats. As I said, I know the group
wont'
change, but Joe's posts is a fair request. At one time, this group
was
90%
on topic and 10% off topic, it is now about 80% OFF TOPIC and 20% on
topic.
Since the group is not moderated, it will go whatever way the
regulars
want
it to go, but I am sure we will see less and less boating topics as
this
group is taking over by those who think it is a political forum. It
appears
that the regulars want this to be a political forum.





"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
If you see a topic regarding bilge pumps, but you have no interest
in
that
at the moment, what do you do?

"Joe. R" wrote in message
link.net...
Doesn't this board have a moderator? It's really a downer to
see
a
once
fine source of information on boats and boating in general get
polluted
by
non boating garbage.

There are other sites where folks can spout off on non-boating
topics.

jr

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On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 02:41:14 GMT, Joe Parsons
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 19:30:27 -0500, John H wrote:

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 00:07:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Actually, Basskisser, Harry, NOYB and jps post some very informative and
accurate responses to boating questions. I agree with you about the
name-calling, and Harry could lay off that routine a bit. But it's actually
been interesting to follow the evolution of a few of the more civilized
people here. People have often found that they agree more than they
disagree. John H and Noah are perfect examples of that. I could live next
door to John H and not kill him...I think.

As far as Tuuk, Wally, etc.....in every nice forest, there are weeds and
coyote droppings.

That may be, but I'd sure as hell not let you borrow my mower!

What's a "mower?"

One who mows. A "mower" is sometimes used as a colloquialism for a
machine with a blade that is used to cut grass. Grass is the green
stuff that grows on lawns on the eastern side of the US.

A '72 Grand Banks? Sounds like a sweet project. Any pictures of her?

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

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On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 04:03:56 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote:

Doug, you seem to be a reasonable guy, and you are right when I am in a
marina the subject can vary, but if it becomes a brawl I and most other
boaters just move their boat to a different marina. I think that we have
had many knowledgeable boaters pick up their boats and either move to
another marina, or just get out of boating all together. As I said, nothing
you or I say will make a difference, too many people seem to enjoy rolling
around in the mud, but let's not try to rationalize the behavior that goes
on in rec.boats as a discussion.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
If you're in a bar at a marina with friends, do you only talk about boats?


John, as Doug is probably still in bed now, I'll try to sneak in this
small correction. Doug is *usually* reasonable and *never* right,
although he is, quite infrequently, correct.

I think that once Bush is re-elected most of the off-topic stuff will
die down. People will grow to understand and love the guy from Texas,
and the mudslinging will happen only when we try to lie about our
latest catch.

In the meantime, I'm going to engage in much wishful thinking about
the Parker 2520XL. I was on one yesterday. It was a nice boat, but the
$67K price tag (with a Yamaha 225) still causes sticker shock.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Moderator?
 

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 04:03:56 GMT, "John Smith"
wrote:

Doug, you seem to be a reasonable guy, and you are right when I am in a
marina the subject can vary, but if it becomes a brawl I and most other
boaters just move their boat to a different marina. I think that we have
had many knowledgeable boaters pick up their boats and either move to
another marina, or just get out of boating all together. As I said,
nothing
you or I say will make a difference, too many people seem to enjoy
rolling
around in the mud, but let's not try to rationalize the behavior that
goes
on in rec.boats as a discussion.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
If you're in a bar at a marina with friends, do you only talk about
boats?


John, as Doug is probably still in bed now, I'll try to sneak in this
small correction. Doug is *usually* reasonable and *never* right,
although he is, quite infrequently, correct.

I think that once Bush is re-elected most of the off-topic stuff will
die down. People will grow to understand and love the guy from Texas,
and the mudslinging will happen only when we try to lie about our
latest catch.

In the meantime, I'm going to engage in much wishful thinking about
the Parker 2520XL. I was on one yesterday. It was a nice boat, but the
$67K price tag (with a Yamaha 225) still causes sticker shock.

John H

I'm always watching, John. You can't hide. :-)

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"John Smith" wrote in message
news:mcc2c.187610$uV3.787000@attbi_s51...

All I would ask is dont' be so hard on the newbies.....

Hey....it builds character. Besides, they'll get far more abuse from Windows
than they will from us.

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"John H" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 01:22:59 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 00:07:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Actually, Basskisser, Harry, NOYB and jps post some very informative
and
accurate responses to boating questions. I agree with you about the
name-calling, and Harry could lay off that routine a bit. But it's
actually
been interesting to follow the evolution of a few of the more
civilized
people here. People have often found that they agree more than they
disagree. John H and Noah are perfect examples of that. I could live
next
door to John H and not kill him...I think.

As far as Tuuk, Wally, etc.....in every nice forest, there are weeds
and
coyote droppings.

That may be, but I'd sure as hell not let you borrow my mower!

Who cares? You're probably the type who buys a $200 mower every two years
at
the BORG, instead of ponying up like a big boy and buying a real one. :-)

For sure I don't pay more than $200 for one. My last one lasted almost
nine years, 'til I hit a metal spike and bent the crankshaft. That
mower never had an oil change nor a quart of oil added. Briggs and
Stratton engines are bullet proof. I wish I had one in my boat.

My next door neighbor must have about $600 invested in his POS Honda.
Every spring he has to take it in to get it tuned and started. It is
much prettier than mine though. I'd buy a Honda if I could put a B & S
engine on it. They're pretty.

I've got a Toro Super Recycler with a B&S IC Quite 6HP four stroke and it is
an amazing mowing machine. I've had it for 5 years now and plan on having it
for another 10 or 15, it starts up with one or two pulls every time. I
change the spark plug and air filter each spring.

Bert

Moderator?
 

If you're in a bar at a marina with friends, do you only talk about boats?

1. This isnt the bar at the marina.
2. Were not your friends.

You people are argueing with a man who dosen't know a bar from a newsgroup.

Moderator?
 

Subject: Moderator?
From: obull

snip

The only reason you and your fellow off topic posters continue to spam us
with
snip
In this group your constant off topic bull is spam
snip
The only people more stupid than that would be someone like yourself for
trying
to defend your ignorance of newsgroup etiquette.

Or perhaps the people like youself who don't understand the meaning of the word
"spam".

Capt. Bill

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On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 18:05:52 GMT, WaIIy
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 20:36:48 -0500, John H
wrote:

My next door neighbor must have about $600 invested in his POS Honda.
Every spring he has to take it in to get it tuned and started. It is
much prettier than mine though. I'd buy a Honda if I could put a B & S
engine on it. They're pretty.

John H

I've had a Honda for 9 years and it always starts on the first pull.

They are simply the best.

Maybe he has the Japanese equivalent of a lemon.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Moderator?
 

"CCred68046" wrote in message
...
If you're in a bar at a marina with friends, do you only talk about
boats?

1. This isnt the bar at the marina.
2. Were not your friends.

You people are argueing with a man who dosen't know a bar from a
newsgroup.


Then think of a more generic term than "bar" or "newsgroup". Try "forum" or
"venue".

Moderator?
 

Doug,
Do ya know what I like about you, besides being a top poster. :-) Ya
have a way with words:".....in every nice forest, there are weeds and
coyote droppings."
Paul


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Actually, Basskisser, Harry, NOYB and jps post some very informative and
accurate responses to boating questions. I agree with you about the
name-calling, and Harry could lay off that routine a bit. But it's
actually
been interesting to follow the evolution of a few of the more civilized
people here. People have often found that they agree more than they
disagree. John H and Noah are perfect examples of that. I could live next
door to John H and not kill him...I think.

As far as Tuuk, Wally, etc.....in every nice forest, there are weeds and
coyote droppings.


"John Smith" wrote in message
news:h%62c.186479$uV3.783757@attbi_s51...
Doug,

The answer is obvious, you ignore it. Now, let me ask you a question,
when
you read Basskisser, NOYB, Harry, jps, Tuuk, Wally etc. it is very
obvious
that they do not come here to discuss boats, they like to discuss
politics.
Many people enjoy discussing and arguing about politics, so they are not
unusal. What is unusual is that the prefer to discuss politcs in
rec.boats.
Why not go to one of the politcal discussion groups?

Now your point is just ignore the posts if you don't like them. Well I
do,
and many other do the same thing. What is the harm from people calling
each
other names? The problem is that most of the very knowledgeable
boaters,
mechanics, suppliers and people who used to enjoy discussing boats have
left
this group because they found it too irrating seeing adults behavning
like
children. The people who want to discuss boats or have questions
answered
find their questions or requests for boating discussions are overlooked
by
the regulars, because they really don't want to discuss boats. At one
time,
the regulars would enjoy discussing boats and would get into OT
discussions
as a way to pass the time. That is not the case today. Today the
majority
of the regulars come here to argue politics and call their opponets
names.
The poor person who comes in this group often finds his legitmate
questions
ignored by the regulars because they are too busy with their political
mud
slinging. That is the problem with 80% of the posts being off topic.

Now, do I believe anything I said will change the topics and political
trolling that goes on here? No way, I don't believe it will change, but
you
are a smart person and you should understand why some people who come to
this newsgroup are offended by the 80% of off topic BS. It really would
not
be so bad, if people actually made politcal statements that made sense,
but
most of the posts are "you are stupid", the __________ are destroying
the
world as we know it", you don't know anything, and I know it all. One
of
the regulars who seems to be intellegent thinks if he uses profanity by
changing the spelling (ie dumfock) it makes it more politically correct.
It
doesn't, all it does is make him look silly.

The person who started this thread, thought his comments would make a
difference. That showed that he is a newbie to rec.boats, but it was
not
an
unreasonable request.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
I'm sure the proportions will change as the boats go back in the
water.
But,
my question is still a valid one which some people can't answer. What
do
you
do when you see a boating question that's of no interest to you
whatsoever?

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:Ks42c.122743$4o.163236@attbi_s52...
Doug,

I know my post will not make a difference, but what has happened is
that
most of the contributors who liked the forum as a group to
discussion
boats,
have long left this group. The regulars now come here to discuss
politics
and ignore most posts concerning boats. As I said, I know the group
wont'
change, but Joe's posts is a fair request. At one time, this group
was
90%
on topic and 10% off topic, it is now about 80% OFF TOPIC and 20% on
topic.
Since the group is not moderated, it will go whatever way the
regulars
want
it to go, but I am sure we will see less and less boating topics as
this
group is taking over by those who think it is a political forum. It
appears
that the regulars want this to be a political forum.





"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
If you see a topic regarding bilge pumps, but you have no interest
in
that
at the moment, what do you do?

"Joe. R" wrote in message
link.net...
Doesn't this board have a moderator? It's really a downer to
see
a
once
fine source of information on boats and boating in general get
polluted
by
non boating garbage.

There are other sites where folks can spout off on non-boating
topics.

jr

Moderator?
 

Pete,
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. :-) No gain.
Paul

"Petey the Wonder Dog" wrote in message
...
Far as I can tell, someone wrote:
I usually read them and if I have something to contribute I do. If I
don't
then I don't.

That makes you one of the people ruining the group.

Moderator?
 

Doug,
No, only if you're in the middle of the lake and your engine died! Then
that's all you TALK about!!! :-)
Paul

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
If you're in a bar at a marina with friends, do you only talk about boats?

Moderator?
 

John,
Well you know that there are people that if you say "no" to, they'll go
and do it in spite. Some of these people just love to argue. If you say
black, they'll say white. I guess a good percentage of these people aren't
like this in person but have an anonymous personality that they exercise on
the internet. For some of these people they seem obsessed with it. For my
part I feel sorry for them, they take this way too personal. I guess I'm old
enough to realize that most things just aren't worth arguing about, life too
short! And to keep this on topic, Happy Boating.
Paul

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:M4c2c.185501$jk2.673026@attbi_s53...
Doug, you seem to be a reasonable guy, and you are right when I am in a
marina the subject can vary, but if it becomes a brawl I and most other
boaters just move their boat to a different marina. I think that we have
had many knowledgeable boaters pick up their boats and either move to
another marina, or just get out of boating all together. As I said,
nothing
you or I say will make a difference, too many people seem to enjoy rolling
around in the mud, but let's not try to rationalize the behavior that goes
on in rec.boats as a discussion.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
If you're in a bar at a marina with friends, do you only talk about
boats?