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CCred68046 March 7th 04 01:16 AM

Moderator?
 
Or perhaps the people like youself who don't understand the meaning of the
word
"spam".


http://spam.abuse.net/overview/whatisspam.shtml

"Usenet spam robs users of the utility of the newsgroups by overwhelming them
with a barrage of advertising or other irrelevant posts."

Its obviously you who does not understand.



Florida Keyz March 7th 04 01:13 PM

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Personally, I think the O.T.s have very little to say, that has any value.

John H March 7th 04 02:15 PM

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On 07 Mar 2004 13:13:01 GMT, (Florida Keyz) wrote:

Personally, I think the O.T.s have very little to say, that has any value.


Well, fk, you obviously did read this post:

Revealed: how 'war hero' Kerry tried to put off Vietnam military duty
By Charles Laurence in New York
(Filed: 07/03/2004)


Senator John Kerry, the presumed Democratic presidential candidate who
is
trading on his Vietnam war record to campaign against President George
W
Bush, tried to defer his military service for a year, according to a
newly
rediscovered article in a Harvard University newspaper.

He wrote to his local recruitment board seeking permission to spend a
further 12 months studying in Paris, after completing his degree
course at
Yale University in the mid-1960s.

The revelation appears to undercut Sen Kerry's carefully-cultivated
image as
a man who willingly served his country in a dangerous war - in
supposed
contrast to President Bush, who served in the Texas National Guard and
thus
avoided being sent to Vietnam.

The Harvard Crimson newspaper followed a youthful Mr Kerry in Boston
as he
campaigned for Congress for the first time in 1970. In the course of a
lengthy article, "John Kerry: A Navy Dove Runs for Congress",
published on
February 18, the paper reported: "When he approached his draft board
for
permission to study for a year in Paris, the draft board refused and
Kerry
decided to enlist in the Navy."

Samuel Goldhaber, the article's author who is now a cardiologist
attached to
the Harvard School of Medicine, spent 11 hours trailing Mr Kerry and
still
remembers that the subject of the Paris deferment came up during long
conversations about Vietnam.

"I stand by my story," he told The Telegraph. "It was a long time ago,
and I
was 19 at the time, so it is hard to remember every detail. But I do
know
this: at no point did Kerry contact either me or the Crimson to
dispute
anything I had written."

Sen Kerry's campaign headquarters in Washington refused an opportunity
to
deny the report. Despite repeated telephone calls from The Telegraph,
a
spokesman refused to comment. Another Democrat official said merely:
"In
Vietnam, John Kerry proved his patriotism beyond question. Everyone
knows
that."

A senior Republican strategist, who asked not to be named, said: "I've
not
heard this before. This undercuts Kerry's complaints about Bush and it
continues to pose questions as to his credibility among ordinary
Vietnam
veterans."

He said it would fuel concerns over the way Sen Kerry made a name for
himself by leading anti-war protests in Washington and Boston in the
late
1960s and early 1970s after he had completed his service in the US
Navy,
even while his former comrades continued to fight and die.

A newly-published biography of Sen Kerry by Douglas Brinkley, A Tour
of
Duty, makes no mention of the requested deferment or planned year in
Paris.
At the time, it was still unclear just how long America would remain
in
Vietnam, and it might have seemed that a year's deferral of service
could
render enlistment unnecessary.

According to the Democratic Party's version of Sen Kerry's military
history,
he joined the Reserve Officer Training Corps at Harvard through
eagerness to
do his duty, and sailed with the Navy for combat as soon as he
graduated in
1966.

Sen Kerry won a gallantry medal for his service as a gunboat captain
on the
Mekong Delta, and was honorably discharged with three "purple heart"
medals
after sustaining three wounds. He has consistently presented himself
as a
leader who argued against the war only after fulfilling his duty in
the
field. Supporters argue that his war record makes him a more
trustworthy
leader than President Bush, who served sporadically in the National
Guard at
home.

"This means that Kerry didn't jump into all that heroic service until
he was
pushed, and it is a very nice piece of information," said Lucianne
Goldberg,
a prominent Republican campaigner.

Republican strategists for President Bush were already investigating
Sen
Kerry's record of three wounds sustained in Vietnam. "We find that he
had
only one day off sick - with three wounds? What exactly were these
wounds?"
she asked.

Mr Goldhaber recalled that, during a day spent with Sen Kerry and one
assistant during his congressional campaign, he had described his
involvement, service and decision to oppose the war in great detail.

"I am not at all surprised that he wants to be president, because he
exuded
ambition from the word go," said Dr Goldhaber. "At the time, the idea
that
he tried to persuade the draft board to let him spend a year in Paris
was
just a detail."

A spokesman for the Bush-Cheney re-election campaign declined to
comment.


John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

LaBomba182 March 7th 04 03:16 PM

Moderator?
 
Subject: Moderator?
From: obull (CCred68046)


Or perhaps the people like youself who don't understand the meaning of the
word
"spam".


http://spam.abuse.net/overview/whatisspam.shtml

"Usenet spam robs users of the utility of the newsgroups by overwhelming them
with a barrage of advertising or other irrelevant posts."

Its obviously you who does not understand.


Based on that quote taken out of contexted perhaps.
But taken in the context of the whole article, perhaps not:


"There are two main types of spam, and they have different effects on Internet
users. Cancellable Usenet spam is a single message sent to 20 or more Usenet
newsgroups. (Through long experience, Usenet users have found that any message
posted to so many newsgroups is often not relevant to most or all of them.)
Usenet spam is aimed at "lurkers", people who read newsgroups but rarely or
never post and give their address away. Usenet spam robs users of the utility
of the newsgroups by overwhelming them with a barrage of advertising or other
irrelevant posts. Furthermore, Usenet spam subverts the ability of system
administrators and owners to manage the topics they accept on their systems."

Note the quote:

"Cancellable Usenet spam is a single message sent to 20 or more Usenet
newsgroups."

The OT posts you/we are talking about are NOT (in the vast majority of cases)
sent to multiple groups.

Nor are they aimed at lurkers:

"Usenet spam is aimed at "lurkers"".

Nice try though.


Capt. Bill



Florida Keyz March 7th 04 03:22 PM

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strange, you OT's have your own rules. How can we actually get a moderator for
this screwed up group?

Florida Keyz March 7th 04 03:23 PM

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your a phoney coward hiding behing a fake email name, aren't ya?

Mark Browne March 7th 04 03:29 PM

Moderator?
 

"Florida Keyz" wrote in message
...
strange, you OT's have your own rules. How can we actually get a moderator

for
this screwed up group?


I'd be delighted to moderate.
I am not sure that you would be happy with how it would work out!

Mark Bronwe



John H March 7th 04 03:30 PM

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On 07 Mar 2004 15:23:57 GMT, (Florida Keyz) wrote:

your a phoney coward hiding behing a fake email name, aren't ya?


No.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

LaBomba182 March 7th 04 03:50 PM

Moderator?
 
Subject: Moderator?
From: (LaBomba182)


Subject: Moderator?
From:
obull (CCred68046)

Or perhaps the people like youself who don't understand the meaning of the
word
"spam".


http://spam.abuse.net/overview/whatisspam.shtml

"Usenet spam robs users of the utility of the newsgroups by overwhelming

them
with a barrage of advertising or other irrelevant posts."

Its obviously you who does not understand.


Based on that quote taken out of contexted perhaps.
But taken in the context of the whole article, perhaps not:


"There are two main types of spam, and they have different effects on
Internet
users. Cancellable Usenet spam is a single message sent to 20 or more Usenet
newsgroups. (Through long experience, Usenet users have found that any
message
posted to so many newsgroups is often not relevant to most or all of them.)
Usenet spam is aimed at "lurkers", people who read newsgroups but rarely or
never post and give their address away. Usenet spam robs users of the utility
of the newsgroups by overwhelming them with a barrage of advertising or other
irrelevant posts. Furthermore, Usenet spam subverts the ability of system
administrators and owners to manage the topics they accept on their systems."

Note the quote:

"Cancellable Usenet spam is a single message sent to 20 or more Usenet
newsgroups."

The OT posts you/we are talking about are NOT (in the vast majority of cases)
sent to multiple groups.

Nor are they aimed at lurkers:

"Usenet spam is aimed at "lurkers"".

Nice try though.


Capt. Bill


Opps! Forgot to add this to the above:

"The term "spam," as used on this newsgroup, means "the same article (or
essentially the same article) posted an unacceptably high number of times to
one or more newsgroups." CONTENT IS IRRELEVANT. 'Spam' doesn't mean "ads." It
doesn't mean "abuse." It doesn't mean "posts whose content I object to." Spam
is a funky name for a phenomenon that can be measured pretty objectively: did
that post appear X times?"

Note:

" Spam is a funky name for a phenomenon that can be measured pretty
objectively: did that post appear X times?"

And:

" It doesn't mean "posts whose content I object to"

http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq.html#2.1


Like I said, nice try.


Capt. Bill

John H March 7th 04 04:04 PM

Moderator?
 
On 07 Mar 2004 15:50:26 GMT, (LaBomba182) wrote:

Subject: Moderator?
From:
(LaBomba182)

Subject: Moderator?
From:
obull (CCred68046)

Or perhaps the people like youself who don't understand the meaning of the
word
"spam".

http://spam.abuse.net/overview/whatisspam.shtml

"Usenet spam robs users of the utility of the newsgroups by overwhelming

them
with a barrage of advertising or other irrelevant posts."

Its obviously you who does not understand.


Based on that quote taken out of contexted perhaps.
But taken in the context of the whole article, perhaps not:


"There are two main types of spam, and they have different effects on
Internet
users. Cancellable Usenet spam is a single message sent to 20 or more Usenet
newsgroups. (Through long experience, Usenet users have found that any
message
posted to so many newsgroups is often not relevant to most or all of them.)
Usenet spam is aimed at "lurkers", people who read newsgroups but rarely or
never post and give their address away. Usenet spam robs users of the utility
of the newsgroups by overwhelming them with a barrage of advertising or other
irrelevant posts. Furthermore, Usenet spam subverts the ability of system
administrators and owners to manage the topics they accept on their systems."

Note the quote:

"Cancellable Usenet spam is a single message sent to 20 or more Usenet
newsgroups."

The OT posts you/we are talking about are NOT (in the vast majority of cases)
sent to multiple groups.

Nor are they aimed at lurkers:

"Usenet spam is aimed at "lurkers"".

Nice try though.


Capt. Bill


Opps! Forgot to add this to the above:

"The term "spam," as used on this newsgroup, means "the same article (or
essentially the same article) posted an unacceptably high number of times to
one or more newsgroups." CONTENT IS IRRELEVANT. 'Spam' doesn't mean "ads." It
doesn't mean "abuse." It doesn't mean "posts whose content I object to." Spam
is a funky name for a phenomenon that can be measured pretty objectively: did
that post appear X times?"

Note:

" Spam is a funky name for a phenomenon that can be measured pretty
objectively: did that post appear X times?"

And:

" It doesn't mean "posts whose content I object to"

http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq.html#2.1


Like I said, nice try.


Capt. Bill


Personally, I think that any post in favor of Kerry is spam at it's
worst.

Sorry about butting in, but I had to get that off my chest. I feel
much better now.

I'll feel *really* good when I can put my boat in the water in two
weeks!

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

CCred68046 March 7th 04 05:12 PM

Moderator?
 
Based on that quote taken out of contexted perhaps.

LOL, so... not only are you an authority on politics but also on spam.... That
makes sense, they go together.

Florida Keyz March 7th 04 05:26 PM

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Whats your email address, not that one you post with. Bawk!

Florida Keyz March 7th 04 05:27 PM

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and the truly sad part, is all this OT krap is kililng this group. All will be
left is the cowards posting under false names.

Serves em right, I suppose.

John Smith March 7th 04 05:31 PM

Newsgroup Netiquette
 
Capt. Bill,

Since we are discussing Newsgroup terms and definitions, I wonder if anyone
has ever read the common accepted Newsgroup Netiquette

Newsgroup Netiquette
If you participate in USENET Newsgroups, Web-based Discussion Groups or
Message Boards, there are a few important things to know.
Lurk before you leap. Lurking is the practice of reading the postings in a
group for a week or so before posting a message yourself. No one will know
you are lurking, and you can get a feel for the types of personalities in
the group, what types of things are discussed, and what topics or behaviors
are frowned upon. You may even find after lurking for a week that you do not
want to participate in the discussion.

Know the FAQs. Most groups have a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) that will
tell you about any rules that govern the group, and the expectations the
group has for those who will participate.

Do not post "off topic". If the discussion group is about quantum physics,
do not post something about the latest episode of "Friends".

Find the Right Group
Don't stray from the topic of the newsgroup or Mailing List Discussion
Group. These groups have formed for a reason, and their participants are
involved to discuss and share ideas on particular topics. Respect the group
and its members by sticking to appropriate issues. The Internet is a big
place, and you can bet there's a group out there just for you.

Avoid Flame Wars. A Flame is a posting in which one participant attacks
another participant in an overly harsh and personal manner. The person who
is flamed will usually respond in kind, which invites another flame, and so
on. If you are not involved, it is best to stay out of it; and, if you are,
end it as soon as reasonably possible.

Ignore Flame Bait. Flame bait is when someone posts a comment that is
specifically designed to provoke a reaction and start a flame war. This is
also called trolling, and it is often aimed at newbies. Some people do this
just for kicks and then sit back and watch the flames fly. An example of
trolling would be someone in a Mustang car owners discussion group making
overtly negative comments about Mustangs. Don't take the bait. If everyone
ignores the comment, the troller will go somewhere else.

Do not advertise. Like unsolicited email advertising, posting an
advertisement in a discussion group that does not specifically allow this
practice is spamming. This is against our Acceptable Use Policy, as it is
with all reputable ISPs. However, if you are a regular participant of a
discussion group, and the opportunity presents itself, you may be able to
get in a plug. For example, if you are an active member of a photography
discussion group and you also happen to sell antique cameras, it usually
would be appropriate to respond to someone in the group who asks where they
can find antique cameras. If you are a regular member of the group, you will
learn what you can and cannot do. When in doubt, read the FAQ for that
group.





"LaBomba182" wrote in message
...

"The term "spam," as used on this newsgroup, means "the same article (or
essentially the same article) posted an unacceptably high number of times

to
one or more newsgroups." CONTENT IS IRRELEVANT. 'Spam' doesn't mean "ads."

It
doesn't mean "abuse." It doesn't mean "posts whose content I object to."

Spam
is a funky name for a phenomenon that can be measured pretty objectively:

did
that post appear X times?"




Mark Browne March 7th 04 05:43 PM

Moderator?
 

"Florida Keyz" wrote in message
...
and the truly sad part, is all this OT krap is kililng this group. All

will be
left is the cowards posting under false names.

Serves em right, I suppose.


Help me out he Is you name Florida Keys?

Mark Browne



CCred68046 March 7th 04 05:55 PM

Newsgroup Netiquette
 
John...please dont confuse this man with facts. He is a Captain you know...
:)

Mark Browne March 7th 04 05:57 PM

Moderator?
 

"Florida Keyz" wrote in message
...
Whats your email address, not that one you post with. Bawk!


Mr. Keyz,

Why do you need that?

The only valid reason I can think of is to send some poison dripping purple
prose that *even you* don't think is suitable for general consumption. It
does not seem that you want to e-mail him off list, you have been very vocal
about whining into the list.

Are you planning to send him a virus?

The reason I feel the need to ask is that I recall that there have been some
reports of virus files being sent to members of this newsgroup. Could Mr.
Keyz be a naughty hacker?

Or are you planning to e-mail bomb someone? Just as bad, really.

Well, you have my e-mail address, plus the FISH. I will let the newsgroup
know how it goes.

Mark Browne
PS My boat is still sleeping under a cover, but the snow is melting.




Bert Robbins March 7th 04 06:16 PM

Moderator?
 

"Florida Keyz" wrote in message
...
and the truly sad part, is all this OT krap is kililng this group. All

will be
left is the cowards posting under false names.

Serves em right, I suppose.


This news group got infected back in November of 2000 when everyone's
political views came out rather then everyone just talking about boats.



John H March 7th 04 06:28 PM

Moderator?
 
On 07 Mar 2004 17:27:56 GMT, (Florida Keyz) wrote:

and the truly sad part, is all this OT krap is kililng this group. All will be
left is the cowards posting under false names.

Serves em right, I suppose.


Let me ask this nicely. Did your mother really name you "Florida?" Is
your last name really "Keyz?"

"Anywho", which even shows Harry Krause's address and phone number,
shows not one "Florida Keyz" in Florida.

Surely you are not posting your OT post using a false name, right?

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

John H March 7th 04 06:28 PM

Moderator?
 
On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 17:43:43 GMT, "Mark Browne"
wrote:


"Florida Keyz" wrote in message
...
and the truly sad part, is all this OT krap is kililng this group. All

will be
left is the cowards posting under false names.

Serves em right, I suppose.


Help me out he Is you name Florida Keys?

Mark Browne

Sorry about repeating your question.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

John H March 7th 04 06:29 PM

Moderator?
 
On 07 Mar 2004 17:26:18 GMT, (Florida Keyz) wrote:

Whats your email address, not that one you post with. Bawk!


My email address is included with every post. Surely even you can
decipher it.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Florida Keyz March 7th 04 07:36 PM

Moderator?
 
No, my name is Sterling, but I don't have that for an email. I use my real
email address, and my real name.

What's your point? Nevermind, I don't even care what your point was.

Florida Keyz March 7th 04 07:37 PM

Moderator?
 
Der john, dumb question.

Florida Keyz March 7th 04 07:39 PM

Moderator?
 
you guys are really paranoids. You can't get a virus unles you open a file, and
hopefully you knew that.

John H March 7th 04 07:40 PM

Moderator?
 
On 07 Mar 2004 19:36:55 GMT, (Florida Keyz) wrote:

No, my name is Sterling, but I don't have that for an email. I use my real
email address, and my real name.

What's your point? Nevermind, I don't even care what your point was.


Ah, methinks you figured out the point and have a very red face. It
will pass. We are all embarrassed every now and then. Just ask
b'asskisser.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Florida Keyz March 7th 04 07:43 PM

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Your pretty much the worst group of so called boaters I have ever met.

I have been in boating most of my life, and generaly found boaters to be a very
nice group.

Untill some of the spincters I have seen on this group.

On that that note..

shove off.

Mark Browne March 7th 04 08:01 PM

Moderator?
 

"Florida Keyz" wrote in message
...
you guys are really paranoids. You can't get a virus unles you open a

file, and
hopefully you knew that.


The questions remain unanswered.

Mark Browne




Mark Browne March 7th 04 08:03 PM

Moderator?
 

"Florida Keyz" wrote in message
...
No, my name is Sterling, but I don't have that for an email. I use my real
email address, and my real name.

snip

Bob Sterling?
Steling Anderson?

It does not seem like you have really answered the question.

Mark Browne



Florida Keyz March 7th 04 08:33 PM

Moderator?
 
What mark you wanna date me?

Florida Keyz March 7th 04 08:34 PM

Moderator?
 
another armchair sailor

LaBomba182 March 7th 04 10:12 PM

Moderator?
 
Subject: Moderator?
From: John H


" Spam is a funky name for a phenomenon that can be measured pretty
objectively: did that post appear X times?"

And:

" It doesn't mean "posts whose content I object to"

http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq.html#2.1


Like I said, nice try.


Capt. Bill


Personally, I think that any post in favor of Kerry is spam at it's
worst.

Sorry about butting in, but I had to get that off my chest. I feel
much better now.


No problem. Jump in at any time about anything. That's beauty of this
newsgroup.:-)


I'll feel *really* good when I can put my boat in the water in two
weeks!


:-)

Capt. Bill




LaBomba182 March 7th 04 10:26 PM

Newsgroup Netiquette
 
Subject: Newsgroup Netiquette
From: "John Smith"


Capt. Bill,

Since we are discussing Newsgroup terms and definitions, I wonder if anyone
has ever read the common accepted Newsgroup Netiquette


snip


That's old news and all well and good. But the "cat's out of the bag" at this
point.

The most of the cat could be put back into the bag if the OT whinners would
just not post OT posts about OT posts. And stop replying to the OT posts.
It's that simple.
But I don't see it happening anytime soon. Do you?

Capt. Bill

Jim March 7th 04 10:27 PM

Moderator?
 


LaBomba182 wrote:
Subject: Moderator?
From: John H



" Spam is a funky name for a phenomenon that can be measured pretty
objectively: did that post appear X times?"

And:

" It doesn't mean "posts whose content I object to"

http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq.html#2.1


Like I said, nice try.


Capt. Bill


Personally, I think that any post in favor of Kerry is spam at it's
worst.


SO there is no objection to my continuing the anti-Bush posts ;-)

Thank you in advance


Sorry about butting in, but I had to get that off my chest. I feel
much better now.



No problem. Jump in at any time about anything. That's beauty of this
newsgroup.:-)



I'll feel *really* good when I can put my boat in the water in two
weeks!



:-)

Capt. Bill





LaBomba182 March 7th 04 10:33 PM

Moderator?
 
Subject: Moderator?
From: obull (CCred68046)


Based on that quote taken out of contexted perhaps.


LOL, so... not only are you an authority on politics but also on spam....
That
makes sense, they go together.


Perhaps not an "authority on spam. But at least I showed I knew more than you.
Of course that's not saying much now is it.

And your comment about my "authority on politics" just shows how clueless you
truly are.

Capt. Bill

LaBomba182 March 7th 04 10:40 PM

Moderator?
 
Subject: Moderator?
From: "Mark Browne"


"Florida Keyz" wrote in message
...
No, my name is Sterling, but I don't have that for an email. I use my real
email address, and my real name.

snip

Bob Sterling?
Steling Anderson?

It does not seem like you have really answered the question.


http://members.aol.com/CaptSterl/

It's not much of a secret as to who Sterling is.

Capt. Bill

Mark Browne March 7th 04 11:39 PM

Moderator?
 

"Florida Keyz" wrote in message
...
What mark you wanna date me?


Hmmm, you should lay off the sauce. It seems to be affecting either your
memory or your powers of logical thinking. Perhaps both.

First you whine about newsgroup members hiding their names and e-mail
addresses. Then you get all weird when we ask about yours.

Mark Browne



John H March 8th 04 12:31 AM

Moderator?
 
On 07 Mar 2004 19:43:24 GMT, (Florida Keyz) wrote:

Your pretty much the worst group of so called boaters I have ever met.

I have been in boating most of my life, and generaly found boaters to be a very
nice group.

Untill some of the spincters I have seen on this group.

On that that note..

shove off.


Mr. Keyz, I believe you are the one who entered the group with the
name-calling. Perhaps you could go back and check it out.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

John H March 8th 04 12:34 AM

Moderator?
 
On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 17:27:14 -0500, Jim wrote:



LaBomba182 wrote:
Subject: Moderator?
From: John H



" Spam is a funky name for a phenomenon that can be measured pretty
objectively: did that post appear X times?"

And:

" It doesn't mean "posts whose content I object to"

http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq.html#2.1


Like I said, nice try.


Capt. Bill

Personally, I think that any post in favor of Kerry is spam at it's
worst.


SO there is no objection to my continuing the anti-Bush posts ;-)

Thank you in advance


Yes, your anti-Bush posts are also spam. I object to spam in all its
forms.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Doug Kanter March 8th 04 01:52 AM

Moderator?
 
Thank you. And, the coyote dropping responded as expected, at 4:48 PM on
3/6. :-)

"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
...
Doug,
Do ya know what I like about you, besides being a top poster. :-) Ya
have a way with words:".....in every nice forest, there are weeds and
coyote droppings."
Paul


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Actually, Basskisser, Harry, NOYB and jps post some very informative and
accurate responses to boating questions. I agree with you about the
name-calling, and Harry could lay off that routine a bit. But it's

actually
been interesting to follow the evolution of a few of the more civilized
people here. People have often found that they agree more than they
disagree. John H and Noah are perfect examples of that. I could live

next
door to John H and not kill him...I think.

As far as Tuuk, Wally, etc.....in every nice forest, there are weeds and
coyote droppings.


"John Smith" wrote in message
news:h%62c.186479$uV3.783757@attbi_s51...
Doug,

The answer is obvious, you ignore it. Now, let me ask you a question,

when
you read Basskisser, NOYB, Harry, jps, Tuuk, Wally etc. it is very

obvious
that they do not come here to discuss boats, they like to discuss

politics.
Many people enjoy discussing and arguing about politics, so they are

not
unusal. What is unusual is that the prefer to discuss politcs in

rec.boats.
Why not go to one of the politcal discussion groups?

Now your point is just ignore the posts if you don't like them. Well

I
do,
and many other do the same thing. What is the harm from people

calling
each
other names? The problem is that most of the very knowledgeable

boaters,
mechanics, suppliers and people who used to enjoy discussing boats

have
left
this group because they found it too irrating seeing adults behavning

like
children. The people who want to discuss boats or have questions

answered
find their questions or requests for boating discussions are

overlooked
by
the regulars, because they really don't want to discuss boats. At one

time,
the regulars would enjoy discussing boats and would get into OT

discussions
as a way to pass the time. That is not the case today. Today the

majority
of the regulars come here to argue politics and call their opponets

names.
The poor person who comes in this group often finds his legitmate

questions
ignored by the regulars because they are too busy with their political

mud
slinging. That is the problem with 80% of the posts being off topic.

Now, do I believe anything I said will change the topics and political
trolling that goes on here? No way, I don't believe it will change,

but
you
are a smart person and you should understand why some people who come

to
this newsgroup are offended by the 80% of off topic BS. It really

would
not
be so bad, if people actually made politcal statements that made

sense,
but
most of the posts are "you are stupid", the __________ are destroying

the
world as we know it", you don't know anything, and I know it all. One

of
the regulars who seems to be intellegent thinks if he uses profanity

by
changing the spelling (ie dumfock) it makes it more politically

correct.
It
doesn't, all it does is make him look silly.

The person who started this thread, thought his comments would make a
difference. That showed that he is a newbie to rec.boats, but it was

not
an
unreasonable request.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
I'm sure the proportions will change as the boats go back in the

water.
But,
my question is still a valid one which some people can't answer.

What
do
you
do when you see a boating question that's of no interest to you
whatsoever?

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:Ks42c.122743$4o.163236@attbi_s52...
Doug,

I know my post will not make a difference, but what has happened

is
that
most of the contributors who liked the forum as a group to

discussion
boats,
have long left this group. The regulars now come here to discuss
politics
and ignore most posts concerning boats. As I said, I know the

group
wont'
change, but Joe's posts is a fair request. At one time, this

group
was
90%
on topic and 10% off topic, it is now about 80% OFF TOPIC and 20%

on
topic.
Since the group is not moderated, it will go whatever way the

regulars
want
it to go, but I am sure we will see less and less boating topics

as
this
group is taking over by those who think it is a political forum.

It
appears
that the regulars want this to be a political forum.





"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
If you see a topic regarding bilge pumps, but you have no

interest
in
that
at the moment, what do you do?

"Joe. R" wrote in message
link.net...
Doesn't this board have a moderator? It's really a downer to

see
a
once
fine source of information on boats and boating in general get
polluted
by
non boating garbage.

There are other sites where folks can spout off on non-boating
topics.

jr

















Doug Kanter March 8th 04 01:53 AM

Moderator?
 
A phoney coward? Does that make him brave and valiant?

"Florida Keyz" wrote in message
...
your a phoney coward hiding behing a fake email name, aren't ya?





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