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03-04) 05:10 PST NEW YORK (AP) --
President Bush's re-election campaign on Thursday defended commercials using images from the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, including wreckage of the World Trade Center, as appropriate for an election about public policy and the war on terror. Some families of the victims of the attacks are angry with Bush for airing the spots, which they called in poor taste and for the president's political gain. "With all due respect, I just completely disagree, and I believe the vast majority of the American people will as well," Karen Hughes, a Bush campaign adviser, told "The Early Show" on CBS. "September 11th was not just a distant tragedy. It's a defining event for the future of our country. ... Obviously, all of us mourn and grieve for the victims of that terrible day, but September 11 fundamentally changed our public policy in many important ways, and I think it's vital that the next president recognize that." The first three ads, unveiled Wednesday at campaign headquarters in suburban Washington, will run on broadcast channels in about 80 markets in 18 states, most of which are expected to be critical to the election, and nationwide on select cable networks. "It's a slap in the face of the murders of 3,000 people," Monica Gabrielle, whose husband died in the twin towers, told the New York Daily News for its Thursday editions. "It is unconscionable." Two of the spots show the destruction at the World Trade Center and include an American flag flying amid the debris. They also feature images of firefighters working through the wreckage. "It's as sick as people who stole things out of the place," said Firefighter Tommy Fee of Queens Rescue Squad 270. "The image of firefighters at ground zero should not be used for this stuff, for politics." The ads do not mention Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, focusing instead on improving Bush's image after criticism by Democrats in recent months. "I would be less offended if he showed a picture of himself in front of the Statue of Liberty," said Tom Roger, whose daughter perished on American Airlines Flight 11. "But to show the horror of 9/11 in the background, that's just some advertising agency's attempt to grab people by the throat." |
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"basskisser" wrote in message
om... It's a defining event for the future of our country. ... Bingo. There's the problem - the belief that 9/11 was a defining event. The administration would have us believe that the event defines the future indefinitely, and obliterates all other concerns. How perverse. |
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Bush shows his ignorance yet again
John H wrote: Bush did a superb job of providing leadership to the country during a time when panic could have reigned supreme. Ummm -- seems to me that The president and VP ran and hid while this was going on. There was something like 20 min between tower 1 and tower 2 being hit. It was over an hour before the Pentagon was hit, yet no air defense was prepared. The plane that went down in PA was tracked for some time, yet not taken out All in all I'd say the presidents' actions on 9/11 are nothing to brag about |
Bush shows his ignorance yet again
On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 12:31:04 -0500, John H
wrote: Bush did a superb job of providing leadership to the country during a time when panic could have reigned supreme. Leadership? Let's not forget about him hiding out during a very dark day for this country. Kerry's ads are taking advantage of a conflict in which, according to Kerry, thousands of innocent women and children were raped, killed or mutilated. Which is worse? According to the actual victims, Bush. bb |
Bush shows his ignorance yet again
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "basskisser" wrote in message om... It's a defining event for the future of our country. ... Bingo. There's the problem - the belief that 9/11 was a defining event. The administration would have us believe that the event defines the future indefinitely, and obliterates all other concerns. How perverse. People compare it to the attack on Pearl Harbor. Personally, I think it's worse, since it was perpetrated on civilians. The attack on Pearl Harbor certainly "defined the future indefinitely, and obliterated all other concerns"...in fact, it did so in a much more profound manner. Our way of life has hardly changed following 9/11. Compare that to the years immediately following Pearl Harbor. |
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"bb" wrote in message ... On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 12:31:04 -0500, John H wrote: Bush did a superb job of providing leadership to the country during a time when panic could have reigned supreme. Leadership? Let's not forget about him hiding out during a very dark day for this country. You're a fool. An assassination threat was made on the President's life the same day 4 planes were hijacked, and flown into the WTC, and a building in close proximity to the President's residence. Kerry's ads are taking advantage of a conflict in which, according to Kerry, thousands of innocent women and children were raped, killed or mutilated. Which is worse? According to the actual victims, Bush. So you say it's worse if the victims say it's worse? Ok, then let's apply your logic and apply it to what these "victims" have to say: http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm Here's an excerpt: "Kerry's betrayal of American prisoners of war, his blatant disrespect for the families of our missing in action, Vietnam veterans, the military, his support for communist Vietnam and his waffling over the issue of use of force in Iraq proves he is a self promoting Chameleon Senator who cannot be relied on to protect the best interests of the United States." |
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John H wrote:
Bush did a superb job of providing leadership to the country during a time when panic could have reigned supreme. Umm, John... I check one post of yours today, and here you are cheerleading at full throttle. Care to comment on Bush & Cheney's hiding out during Sept 11th and insisting that there was an assassination plot underway? Panic didn't reign supreme in the rest of the country, but it looked like GB jr was overcome by fear. DSK |
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On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 12:50:31 -0500, Jim wrote:
John H wrote: Bush did a superb job of providing leadership to the country during a time when panic could have reigned supreme. Ummm -- seems to me that The president and VP ran and hid while this was going on. There was something like 20 min between tower 1 and tower 2 being hit. It was over an hour before the Pentagon was hit, yet no air defense was prepared. The plane that went down in PA was tracked for some time, yet not taken out All in all I'd say the presidents' actions on 9/11 are nothing to brag about Each to his own, right? John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 09:52:06 -0800, jps wrote:
In article , jherring$$@ $$cox**.net says... On 4 Mar 2004 09:06:46 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: 03-04) 05:10 PST NEW YORK (AP) -- President Bush's re-election campaign on Thursday defended commercials using images from the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, including wreckage of the World Trade Center, as appropriate for an election about public policy and the war on terror. Good idea, b'asskisser. Cut and paste. Then no one can say a word about your spelling and grammar. Bush did a superb job of providing leadership to the country during a time when panic could have reigned supreme. Kerry's ads are taking advantage of a conflict in which, according to Kerry, thousands of innocent women and children were raped, killed or mutilated. Which is worse? John H Well then, using another "defining moment" in our history, why shouldn't Kerry use images of our American dead and wounded coming back from Iraq? That's a real equivalent in bad taste and emotional blackmail. jps Would those images somehow portray a job Kerry has done? Seems like he voted to send them, but then voted not to resource them. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 17:53:24 GMT, bb wrote:
On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 12:31:04 -0500, John H wrote: Bush did a superb job of providing leadership to the country during a time when panic could have reigned supreme. Leadership? Let's not forget about him hiding out during a very dark day for this country. Kerry's ads are taking advantage of a conflict in which, according to Kerry, thousands of innocent women and children were raped, killed or mutilated. Which is worse? According to the actual victims, Bush. bb Specious, at best. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 13:17:42 -0500, DSK wrote:
John H wrote: Bush did a superb job of providing leadership to the country during a time when panic could have reigned supreme. Umm, John... I check one post of yours today, and here you are cheerleading at full throttle. Care to comment on Bush & Cheney's hiding out during Sept 11th and insisting that there was an assassination plot underway? Panic didn't reign supreme in the rest of the country, but it looked like GB jr was overcome by fear. DSK Not cheerleading, stating a fact. Your 'hiding out' argument is specious and ridiculous, as mentioned earlier. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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John H wrote:
Not cheerleading, stating a fact. Your 'hiding out' argument is specious and ridiculous, as mentioned earlier. In other words, as far as you're concerned, what happens in real life, in the real world, is 'specious and ridiculous.' OTOH everything that is bragged about by the BushCo advertising moguls is 'stating a fact.' Interesting way of looking at things. Do you stub your toes a lot when you walk around with your eyes squinched up like that? Or do you just sit at home and take your walks in Bushie fantasy-land? DSK |
Bush shows his ignorance yet again
On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 18:10:02 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
You're a fool. An assassination threat was made on the President's life the same day 4 planes were hijacked, and flown into the WTC, and a building in close proximity to the President's residence. One of the resident Bush cheerleaders, John H, claimed "Bush did a superb job of providing leadership to the country during a time when panic could have reigned supreme." Bush is commander in Chief, but in a very dark day for this nation, he turned into commander in Chicken. John H's claims about how Bush acted are outlandish. So you say it's worse if the victims say it's worse? Ok, then let's apply your logic and apply it to what these "victims" have to say: http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm You want to use a lunatic right wing fringe group web site to back up your argument? You may buy into it Nobbie, but the public isn't. Bush has used 9/11 shamelessly to prop up his failed administration and it looks like the citizens of this country are getting a little tired of it. bb |
Bush shows his ignorance yet again
"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "basskisser" wrote in message om... It's a defining event for the future of our country. ... Bingo. There's the problem - the belief that 9/11 was a defining event. The administration would have us believe that the event defines the future indefinitely, and obliterates all other concerns. How perverse. People compare it to the attack on Pearl Harbor. Personally, I think it's worse, since it was perpetrated on civilians. The attack on Pearl Harbor certainly "defined the future indefinitely, and obliterated all other concerns"...in fact, it did so in a much more profound manner. Our way of life has hardly changed following 9/11. Compare that to the years immediately following Pearl Harbor. I was referring to the atmosphere of fear which Ashcroft and Bush would like us to accept as normal, thereby making it OK to carve away at the Constitution. All this to chase an enemy we cannot see or define clearly. Quite a bit different than fighting German and Japanese soldiers. |
Bush shows his ignorance yet again
"John H" wrote in message
... Well then, using another "defining moment" in our history, why shouldn't Kerry use images of our American dead and wounded coming back from Iraq? That's a real equivalent in bad taste and emotional blackmail. jps Would those images somehow portray a job Kerry has done? Seems like he voted to send them, but then voted not to resource them. John H I understand Bush's commercials portray people cuddling babies and school children saying the pledge of allegiance. Bush has no connection whatsoever to patriotism or raising healthy children. Both candidates will simply throw **** at the wall until election day, and hope enough of it sticks. |
Bush shows his ignorance yet again
"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net... You're a fool. An assassination threat was made on the President's life the same day 4 planes were hijacked, and flown into the WTC, and a building in close proximity to the President's residence. Surely you don't believe that Bush's presence was any benefit to the country in the minutes, days and months after 9/11, do you? If he'd perished in flames, better men would've stepped up. Matter of fact, Rudy's popularity rating were far higher than Bush's. |
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"bb" wrote in message ... On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 18:10:02 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: You're a fool. An assassination threat was made on the President's life the same day 4 planes were hijacked, and flown into the WTC, and a building in close proximity to the President's residence. One of the resident Bush cheerleaders, John H, claimed "Bush did a superb job of providing leadership to the country during a time when panic could have reigned supreme." Bush is commander in Chief, but in a very dark day for this nation, he turned into commander in Chicken. John H's claims about how Bush acted are outlandish. So you say it's worse if the victims say it's worse? Ok, then let's apply your logic and apply it to what these "victims" have to say: http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm You want to use a lunatic right wing fringe group web site to back up your argument? You may buy into it Nobbie, but the public isn't. Bush has used 9/11 shamelessly to prop up his failed administration and it looks like the citizens of this country are getting a little tired of it. Let's just see the way enlisted men and veterans vote in November... |
Bush shows his ignorance yet again
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "basskisser" wrote in message om... It's a defining event for the future of our country. ... Bingo. There's the problem - the belief that 9/11 was a defining event. The administration would have us believe that the event defines the future indefinitely, and obliterates all other concerns. How perverse. People compare it to the attack on Pearl Harbor. Personally, I think it's worse, since it was perpetrated on civilians. The attack on Pearl Harbor certainly "defined the future indefinitely, and obliterated all other concerns"...in fact, it did so in a much more profound manner. Our way of life has hardly changed following 9/11. Compare that to the years immediately following Pearl Harbor. I was referring to the atmosphere of fear which Ashcroft and Bush would like us to accept as normal, thereby making it OK to carve away at the Constitution. I wonder how the liberals felt about the Sedition Act of 1918, and FDR's Executive Order 9066 signed in 1942...AT THAT TIME? In times of war and national crisis, our nation has a history (and our leaders a responsibility) of reigning in the rights of American citizens for our own safety. However, the Patriot Act was done to undo the wrongs set by years of rulings by activist judges who tried to make laws from the bench. |
Bush shows his ignorance yet again
"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "basskisser" wrote in message om... It's a defining event for the future of our country. ... Bingo. There's the problem - the belief that 9/11 was a defining event. The administration would have us believe that the event defines the future indefinitely, and obliterates all other concerns. How perverse. People compare it to the attack on Pearl Harbor. Personally, I think it's worse, since it was perpetrated on civilians. The attack on Pearl Harbor certainly "defined the future indefinitely, and obliterated all other concerns"...in fact, it did so in a much more profound manner. Our way of life has hardly changed following 9/11. Compare that to the years immediately following Pearl Harbor. I was referring to the atmosphere of fear which Ashcroft and Bush would like us to accept as normal, thereby making it OK to carve away at the Constitution. I wonder how the liberals felt about the Sedition Act of 1918, and FDR's Executive Order 9066 signed in 1942...AT THAT TIME? In times of war and national crisis, our nation has a history (and our leaders a responsibility) of reigning in the rights of American citizens for our own safety. However, the Patriot Act was done to undo the wrongs set by years of rulings by activist judges who tried to make laws from the bench. As opposed to an inactivist judge? I think that's synonymous with a corpse. |
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Let's just see the way enlisted men and veterans vote in November...
HEAR HEAR!!!!!!! {{Applause}} Butch Ammon |
Bush shows his ignorance yet again
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message hlink.net... You're a fool. An assassination threat was made on the President's life the same day 4 planes were hijacked, and flown into the WTC, and a building in close proximity to the President's residence. Surely you don't believe that Bush's presence was any benefit to the country in the minutes, days and months after 9/11, do you? If he'd perished in flames, better men would've stepped up. Matter of fact, Rudy's popularity rating were far higher than Bush's. Nice attempt at rewriting history. Bush's numbers were in the low 90's. |
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NOYB wrote:
I wonder how the liberals felt about the Sedition Act of 1918, and FDR's Executive Order 9066 signed in 1942...AT THAT TIME? A number of them hated it... along with a number of conservatives. Please also note that those acts were eventually overturned. Please also note that Republicans mostly disliked FDR, and the right-wing branch of the GOP actively hated and undermined him, and spread the most awful rumors they could think of. Some were outright Nazi sympathizers. If you really wanted to drum up ridicule for BushCo and the neocons, you might google up a few exapmles and hold them up as praiseworthy patriots... not that I'm trying to give you advice how best to achieve your goals, Comrade ;) However, the Patriot Act was done to undo the wrongs set by years of rulings by activist judges who tried to make laws from the bench. Wow, now here is a classic. First, you obviously feel the Patriot Act should be a permanent addition to the American legal scene (or should we say, a permanent subtraction from the Constitution). Secondly, you are again displaying that wonderful hypocrisy and the strong double-standard that are the hallmark of the BushCo cheerleaders. Not long ago you were smirking about activist judges making law from the bench, saying how great it. Only it was about abortion then. After giving up on John H, how comforting to see that you're still as amusing as ever, Nobby! DSK |
Bush shows his ignorance yet again
On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 19:08:06 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . Well then, using another "defining moment" in our history, why shouldn't Kerry use images of our American dead and wounded coming back from Iraq? That's a real equivalent in bad taste and emotional blackmail. jps Would those images somehow portray a job Kerry has done? Seems like he voted to send them, but then voted not to resource them. John H I understand Bush's commercials portray people cuddling babies and school children saying the pledge of allegiance. Bush has no connection whatsoever to patriotism or raising healthy children. Both candidates will simply throw **** at the wall until election day, and hope enough of it sticks. One could say that an anti-abortion policy may have a bearing on the cuddling of babies. I know, it would be a stretch, but... John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 19:04:25 GMT, bb wrote:
On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 18:10:02 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: You're a fool. An assassination threat was made on the President's life the same day 4 planes were hijacked, and flown into the WTC, and a building in close proximity to the President's residence. One of the resident Bush cheerleaders, John H, claimed "Bush did a superb job of providing leadership to the country during a time when panic could have reigned supreme." Bush is commander in Chief, but in a very dark day for this nation, he turned into commander in Chicken. John H's claims about how Bush acted are outlandish. So you say it's worse if the victims say it's worse? Ok, then let's apply your logic and apply it to what these "victims" have to say: http://www.usvetdsp.com/jf_kerry.htm You want to use a lunatic right wing fringe group web site to back up your argument? You may buy into it Nobbie, but the public isn't. Bush has used 9/11 shamelessly to prop up his failed administration and it looks like the citizens of this country are getting a little tired of it. bb Given the situation that day, I would not have wanted the President, no matter who it was, in the White House. To suggest he should have returned to the White House is ridiculous. Suppose he had, and suppose the plane that went down in PA hadn't. The Secret Service put the POTUS in as safe a place as they could. That's their job. Now that the Democrats have weeded out the only candidate I may have considered, I can say that I will vote for Bush. I don't agree with all his policies, but the alternative is unbearable. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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John H wrote:
Now that the Democrats have weeded out the only candidate I may have considered, I can say that I will vote for Bush. Yeah, reich, er, right. What a surprise...John the Wingnut voting Republican...again. |
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On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 19:10:15 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message thlink.net... You're a fool. An assassination threat was made on the President's life the same day 4 planes were hijacked, and flown into the WTC, and a building in close proximity to the President's residence. Surely you don't believe that Bush's presence was any benefit to the country in the minutes, days and months after 9/11, do you? If he'd perished in flames, better men would've stepped up. Matter of fact, Rudy's popularity rating were far higher than Bush's. And if Rudy were running, I might vote for him. But he's not. Bush did not perish, but he stepped up and did his job. Should Roosevelt not be associated with Pearl Harbor? Kerry was broadcasting his 8-mm Vietnam film every ten minutes (or so it seemed). Was he seeking credit for his actions? He is taking advantage of having participated in a conflict which he says, "...U.S. soldiers had raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam." Kerry is a slap in the face of any Vietnam veteran. Some just don't realize it. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 19:05:24 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message hlink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "basskisser" wrote in message om... It's a defining event for the future of our country. ... Bingo. There's the problem - the belief that 9/11 was a defining event. The administration would have us believe that the event defines the future indefinitely, and obliterates all other concerns. How perverse. People compare it to the attack on Pearl Harbor. Personally, I think it's worse, since it was perpetrated on civilians. The attack on Pearl Harbor certainly "defined the future indefinitely, and obliterated all other concerns"...in fact, it did so in a much more profound manner. Our way of life has hardly changed following 9/11. Compare that to the years immediately following Pearl Harbor. I was referring to the atmosphere of fear which Ashcroft and Bush would like us to accept as normal, thereby making it OK to carve away at the Constitution. All this to chase an enemy we cannot see or define clearly. Quite a bit different than fighting German and Japanese soldiers. Doug, are not the Democrats themselves continuously complaining about the insufficiency of money for homeland defense? Hasn't Harry himself used our lack of searching every container from every container ship as proof that Bush is falling down on the homeland security issue? Isn't the hardest part of this whole terrorist battle the fact that we *can't* see or define them clearly? John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 15:06:15 -0500, DSK wrote:
NOYB wrote: I wonder how the liberals felt about the Sedition Act of 1918, and FDR's Executive Order 9066 signed in 1942...AT THAT TIME? A number of them hated it... along with a number of conservatives. Please also note that those acts were eventually overturned. Please also note that Republicans mostly disliked FDR, and the right-wing branch of the GOP actively hated and undermined him, and spread the most awful rumors they could think of. Some were outright Nazi sympathizers. If you really wanted to drum up ridicule for BushCo and the neocons, you might google up a few exapmles and hold them up as praiseworthy patriots... not that I'm trying to give you advice how best to achieve your goals, Comrade ;) However, the Patriot Act was done to undo the wrongs set by years of rulings by activist judges who tried to make laws from the bench. Wow, now here is a classic. First, you obviously feel the Patriot Act should be a permanent addition to the American legal scene (or should we say, a permanent subtraction from the Constitution). Secondly, you are again displaying that wonderful hypocrisy and the strong double-standard that are the hallmark of the BushCo cheerleaders. Not long ago you were smirking about activist judges making law from the bench, saying how great it. Only it was about abortion then. After giving up on John H, how comforting to see that you're still as amusing as ever, Nobby! DSK For whom are you cheering, Doug? No one? You're happy with the status quo? Or are you a Kerry cheerleader? Kerry, remember, takes offense at being called a liberal. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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John H wrote:
On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 19:05:24 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message thlink.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "basskisser" wrote in message om... It's a defining event for the future of our country. ... Bingo. There's the problem - the belief that 9/11 was a defining event. The administration would have us believe that the event defines the future indefinitely, and obliterates all other concerns. How perverse. People compare it to the attack on Pearl Harbor. Personally, I think it's worse, since it was perpetrated on civilians. The attack on Pearl Harbor certainly "defined the future indefinitely, and obliterated all other concerns"...in fact, it did so in a much more profound manner. Our way of life has hardly changed following 9/11. Compare that to the years immediately following Pearl Harbor. I was referring to the atmosphere of fear which Ashcroft and Bush would like us to accept as normal, thereby making it OK to carve away at the Constitution. All this to chase an enemy we cannot see or define clearly. Quite a bit different than fighting German and Japanese soldiers. Doug, are not the Democrats themselves continuously complaining about the insufficiency of money for homeland defense? Hasn't Harry himself used our lack of searching every container from every container ship as proof that Bush is falling down on the homeland security issue? Isn't the hardest part of this whole terrorist battle the fact that we *can't* see or define them clearly? John H Searching contrainer ships is a lot different from carving away at the Constitutional rights of citizens, but I wouldn't expect a d.f. like you to appreciate the difference. |
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On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 13:51:29 -0500, DSK wrote:
John H wrote: Not cheerleading, stating a fact. Your 'hiding out' argument is specious and ridiculous, as mentioned earlier. In other words, as far as you're concerned, what happens in real life, in the real world, is 'specious and ridiculous.' OTOH everything that is bragged about by the BushCo advertising moguls is 'stating a fact.' Interesting way of looking at things. Do you stub your toes a lot when you walk around with your eyes squinched up like that? Or do you just sit at home and take your walks in Bushie fantasy-land? DSK Your argument that Bush was hiding out and therefore not worthy of credit for actions taken with regard to 9/11 is specious and ridiculous. I don't believe I've extended that observation to everything in 'real life'. If I were to here Bush bragging about his tremendous concern for the environment, or trying to explain why those earning $5 million a year really 'need' a tax cut, then I would probably find fault with his statements. But then again, some folks tend to exaggerate things. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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"DSK" wrote in message . .. NOYB wrote: I wonder how the liberals felt about the Sedition Act of 1918, and FDR's Executive Order 9066 signed in 1942...AT THAT TIME? A number of them hated it... along with a number of conservatives. Please also note that those acts were eventually overturned. Please also note that Republicans mostly disliked FDR, and the right-wing branch of the GOP actively hated and undermined him, and spread the most awful rumors they could think of. Some were outright Nazi sympathizers. If you really wanted to drum up ridicule for BushCo and the neocons, you might google up a few exapmles and hold them up as praiseworthy patriots... not that I'm trying to give you advice how best to achieve your goals, Comrade ;) However, the Patriot Act was done to undo the wrongs set by years of rulings by activist judges who tried to make laws from the bench. Wow, now here is a classic. First, you obviously feel the Patriot Act should be a permanent addition to the American legal scene (or should we say, a permanent subtraction from the Constitution). Secondly, you are again displaying that wonderful hypocrisy and the strong double-standard that are the hallmark of the BushCo cheerleaders. Not long ago you were smirking about activist judges making law from the bench, saying how great it. Only it was about abortion then. I never advocated judges making abortion laws from the bench. However, I *did* advocate prosecuting (using the state Fetal Homicide Laws) the women who have abortions, and the doctors who perform abortions. The laws are there. I'd like to see 'em utilized. |
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John H wrote:
Your argument that Bush was hiding out and therefore not worthy of credit for actions taken with regard to 9/11 is specious and ridiculous. What actions taken with regard to 9/11? Bush didn't do dick on 9/11, except get himself to a safe hiding place and, I suppose, order some jets in the air after the damage was done. In fact, Bush still hasn't done anything significant in regard to 9/11 that makes this country safer. It's almost all window dressing. And what isn't window-dressing limits the liberties of us all. |
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"John H" wrote in message
... I was referring to the atmosphere of fear which Ashcroft and Bush would like us to accept as normal, thereby making it OK to carve away at the Constitution. All this to chase an enemy we cannot see or define clearly. Quite a bit different than fighting German and Japanese soldiers. Doug, are not the Democrats themselves continuously complaining about the insufficiency of money for homeland defense? "Homeland defense" is too broad a term. But, it suits the suits nicely because most citizens are too lazy to tweaze the term apart into its different elements. Just because we need to secure our cargo ports more effectively (since they are barely secured at all) doesn't mean we have to give the police Orwellian powers. They are two different aspects of the same program. Hasn't Harry himself used our lack of searching every container from every container ship as proof that Bush is falling down on the homeland security issue? I have no idea if Harry said that. But the fact is that until voices were raised last summer, virtually NOTHING was being done about securing cargo ports. From what I've read, there's still next to nothing being done, compared with all the big ideas that were floated in the months after 9/11. However, last week's news mentioned that the CG has been authorized to crack down on traffic to & from Cuba. The government spokesperson said it was part of the homeland security effort. Call me crazy, but it sounds more like pandering to Cuban voters in an election year. That should go far in protecting us from them pesky A-Rabs. At least someone woke up recently and has provided a bunch of feds in boats to patrol the harbors here in Rochester. With enough dramamine, you can cruise from Canada to here unseen in almost any weather. Most days, it's a cakewalk. Wait...I remember....it was Louise Slaughter, our Dem congresswoman. She nagged the appropriate parties until they woke up. Isn't the hardest part of this whole terrorist battle the fact that we *can't* see or define them clearly? Warning - cynicism ahead: How can that be? We've been shooting at them for the past year. |
Bush shows his ignorance yet again
"John H" wrote in message
... I understand Bush's commercials portray people cuddling babies and school children saying the pledge of allegiance. Bush has no connection whatsoever to patriotism or raising healthy children. Both candidates will simply throw **** at the wall until election day, and hope enough of it sticks. One could say that an anti-abortion policy may have a bearing on the cuddling of babies. I know, it would be a stretch, but... You understood my comment. Bush contributes nothing at all to better families. No president does. But, at least some of them are capable of offering challenging ideas that give audiences something to think about.s |
Bush shows his ignorance yet again
In article , jherring$$@
$$cox**.net says... On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 09:52:06 -0800, jps wrote: In article , jherring$$@ $$cox**.net says... On 4 Mar 2004 09:06:46 -0800, (basskisser) wrote: 03-04) 05:10 PST NEW YORK (AP) -- President Bush's re-election campaign on Thursday defended commercials using images from the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, including wreckage of the World Trade Center, as appropriate for an election about public policy and the war on terror. Good idea, b'asskisser. Cut and paste. Then no one can say a word about your spelling and grammar. Bush did a superb job of providing leadership to the country during a time when panic could have reigned supreme. Kerry's ads are taking advantage of a conflict in which, according to Kerry, thousands of innocent women and children were raped, killed or mutilated. Which is worse? John H Well then, using another "defining moment" in our history, why shouldn't Kerry use images of our American dead and wounded coming back from Iraq? That's a real equivalent in bad taste and emotional blackmail. jps Would those images somehow portray a job Kerry has done? Seems like he voted to send them, but then voted not to resource them. You're talking about images of the World Trade Center? Uh, the "job that was done" in that case was American-trained Saudis flew American planes into a symbol of American capitalism. I'm hoping Bush didn't arrange that just as I'm certain you hope that Kerry didn't arrange for dead and wounded kids to come back from Iraq. jps |
Bush shows his ignorance yet again
On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 22:09:33 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . I was referring to the atmosphere of fear which Ashcroft and Bush would like us to accept as normal, thereby making it OK to carve away at the Constitution. All this to chase an enemy we cannot see or define clearly. Quite a bit different than fighting German and Japanese soldiers. Doug, are not the Democrats themselves continuously complaining about the insufficiency of money for homeland defense? "Homeland defense" is too broad a term. But, it suits the suits nicely because most citizens are too lazy to tweaze the term apart into its different elements. Just because we need to secure our cargo ports more effectively (since they are barely secured at all) doesn't mean we have to give the police Orwellian powers. They are two different aspects of the same program. Hasn't Harry himself used our lack of searching every container from every container ship as proof that Bush is falling down on the homeland security issue? I have no idea if Harry said that. But the fact is that until voices were raised last summer, virtually NOTHING was being done about securing cargo ports. From what I've read, there's still next to nothing being done, compared with all the big ideas that were floated in the months after 9/11. However, last week's news mentioned that the CG has been authorized to crack down on traffic to & from Cuba. The government spokesperson said it was part of the homeland security effort. Call me crazy, but it sounds more like pandering to Cuban voters in an election year. That should go far in protecting us from them pesky A-Rabs. At least someone woke up recently and has provided a bunch of feds in boats to patrol the harbors here in Rochester. With enough dramamine, you can cruise from Canada to here unseen in almost any weather. Most days, it's a cakewalk. Wait...I remember....it was Louise Slaughter, our Dem congresswoman. She nagged the appropriate parties until they woke up. Isn't the hardest part of this whole terrorist battle the fact that we *can't* see or define them clearly? Warning - cynicism ahead: How can that be? We've been shooting at them for the past year. You made the pejorative comment about the 'atmosphere of fear' which we were to accept as normal. My point was that you contradict yourself by making such a comment and then complaining that we aren't doing enough to protect ourselves (in *any* way, shape, or form). John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
Bush shows his ignorance yet again
In article , jherring$$@
$$cox**.net says... On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 19:08:06 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . Well then, using another "defining moment" in our history, why shouldn't Kerry use images of our American dead and wounded coming back from Iraq? That's a real equivalent in bad taste and emotional blackmail. jps Would those images somehow portray a job Kerry has done? Seems like he voted to send them, but then voted not to resource them. John H I understand Bush's commercials portray people cuddling babies and school children saying the pledge of allegiance. Bush has no connection whatsoever to patriotism or raising healthy children. Both candidates will simply throw **** at the wall until election day, and hope enough of it sticks. One could say that an anti-abortion policy may have a bearing on the cuddling of babies. I know, it would be a stretch, but... Sweet Jesus, you're not still using the "no spin zone" moniker, are you? |
Bush shows his ignorance yet again
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