"jchaplain" wrote in message
...

I would rather see it paying down the National debt than the use that is
has
been put too for the last 40 years!!! Clinton's touting of a balanced
budget included the SS taxes. Put it in the "Lockbox" and it will not be
part of the spending every year for general budget items. And as a
fiscally
conservative Democrat, I despise the candidates for both parties. In the
last election, I voted for Bush as AGore is one of the stupidest people
ever
to run for high office. Clinton was almost as crooked as LBJ, and that
takes some doing. Kerry is a Fiscal Liberal, as well as a social
Liberal.
I care less about most social restrictions, but I do not want to pay for
your play!!!!!! The Gay Wedding scene. My biggest complaint is the
local
judge who did not uphold the law. The judge should have upheld the law
and
the plaintiff's could then appeal to higher courts. To many activist
judges
making law. Is not their place. They are not the Legislative Branch!
Also, the term marriage seems to be chosen to **** off the most people.
We
allow civil unions. A contract, just like marriage is a contract between
two people. As to the next election. Look at the Democrat party's
candidates. Way too much power from the DNC as to who gets to play.
Where
is a Truman when we need him.

Pretzel logic...then rambling.....

1) So, you admit that it is not a 'lockbox' that locks away ss money
safely....so then don't you think there might be something to the
democrats reasoning why this is another republican sham???

2) Gore stupider than Bush?....puleeezzz...what oblivious planet are
you on? The entire world would disagree with you on that.

3) Now we're talking about gay marriages? Ok, support it or not, have
any idea how much fighting gay marriages is going to cost this country
in legal fees? How much it has already cost? Now doofus wants to have
a consitutional ban on it..that will cost millions, perhaps billions
by the time you add up the court time, time house and congress would
spend on it, time all the lawyers would be paid for, probably only to
fail anyway, so a total waste. Religious right phobia is going to cost
us all plenty.

4) Activist judges....the term you hear from the redneck right
whenever civil rights are upheld. If the court banned abortion, made
homosexuality a crime, made sex outside of marriage illegal, made
teaching evolution illegal, and chose a republican for president
they're not called activist judges then. They're then upholding the
type of values the conservatives inthis country are looking for, very
similar to the values the conservative religious Taliban fanatics want
to impose on the Afganistan population.

Amazing how conservatives are always so eager to wave the american
flag, a symbol of freedom and equality, then spit on any of their
fellow americans if they are different from them.

Ramblings? Yup, just replying in a stream of consciousness. The activist
judges, and our local Federal Appeals court is at the top. Both in activist
rulings and being overturned on appeal. There job is to rule if the law is
broken. Especially at the lowest level court. They did not choose the
President, and you are in extreme denial if you truly beleive that.

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:35:12 +0000, Henry Blackmoore wrote:


Kind of like the NON-citizens who come here and collect food stamps,
welfare checks, social-security checks, etc.. etc.. do?

And then the bitching comes about proposed cuts in a system that
is being strained to the gills trying to address the problem of every recent
immigrant seeking to import their aged grandparents, great aunts, etc. - all
of whom become eligible for social security and medicare. All these monies
are, of course, drawn out of a system where they have never contributed a
single dime.

You actually believe this? You might want to read:

http://www.network-democracy.org/soc...mmigrants.html

"thunder" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:35:12 +0000, Henry Blackmoore wrote:


Kind of like the NON-citizens who come here and collect food stamps,
welfare checks, social-security checks, etc.. etc.. do?

And then the bitching comes about proposed cuts in a system that
is being strained to the gills trying to address the problem of every
recent
immigrant seeking to import their aged grandparents, great aunts, etc. -
all
of whom become eligible for social security and medicare. All these
monies
are, of course, drawn out of a system where they have never contributed
a
single dime.

You actually believe this? You might want to read:

http://www.network-democracy.org/soc...mmigrants.html

They get SS money but under the guise of SSI. For those who never paid into
the system. Was originally for Farmers, etc. Now immigrants get SSI. And
can be greater payment than someone who has paid into the SS sytem.
Bill

The "average guy" eh?

Kind of like the NON-citizens who come here and collect food stamps,
welfare checks, social-security checks, etc.. etc.. do?

Duh,
no...., average guy, like average american working, middle class.
I know you republicans like to think that your fellow americans (
everyone but you and your bubba buddy at the bar stool next to you,)
are all a bunch of leaches, no-good welfare bums, etc...etc....

Why in hell would you take it that someone speaking of an average
american meant non-citizens who collect food stamps and welfare
checks, etc.....
Your view of what the average american is must be pretty bleak, but
thats typical of the Republican viewpoint. Republicans think the world
is out to screw them, like an angry spoiled child syndrome.

Again it's the average guy that is protected by Democrats. People like
bus drivers, factory workers, office workers.

Republicans look to protect people like Donald Trump and Dick Cheney.
Fact.

In article , jchaplain wrote:


The "average guy" eh?

Kind of like the NON-citizens who come here and collect food stamps,
welfare checks, social-security checks, etc.. etc.. do?

Duh,
no...., average guy, like average american working, middle class.
I know you republicans like to think that your fellow americans (
everyone but you and your bubba buddy at the bar stool next to you,)
are all a bunch of leaches, no-good welfare bums, etc...etc....

Why in hell would you take it that someone speaking of an average
american meant non-citizens who collect food stamps and welfare
checks, etc.....

You missed the point entirely, go back and read it again.

Your view of what the average american is must be pretty bleak,

I normally don't get into typo, spelling and grammar correction but
could you please capitalize the A in American? :^)


but
thats typical of the Republican viewpoint. Republicans think the world
is out to screw them, like an angry spoiled child syndrome.

Again it's the average guy that is protected by Democrats. People like
bus drivers, factory workers, office workers.

Total bull****. Do you seriously eat that bull**** rhetoric up? What
connection does Teddy Kennedy have with an AVERAGE guy?

What does an Edwards relate to the little guy?

How does Barney Frank relate to the average joe?

How does Joe Liberman's lifestyle compare to a factory worker?

My point in the earlier post was that the Democrats have screwed
the "average guy" just as much as anybody else has if not more.

NAFTA was signed into law by a Democrat President.

How is NAFTA helping the "average" guy?

How is saddling this country with debt to pay for benefits to
illegal aliens and to require healthcare and schooling for them
when we can't even afford to pay for the same for the folk's that
live here? How is this helping the little average guy huh? Explain this to
me?



Republicans look to protect people like Donald Trump and Dick Cheney.
Fact.

yeah right.

Go ahead and live with your blinders on if it makes you feel better but
remember when you take them off that the real wold awaits you.

That is obvious,, neither have many of the other posters here in this
boating newsgroups. Surely they are knowledgeable of boating issues, but
economics,,, nothing....





"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
ink.net...
In article ,
(basskisser) wrote:

(02-25) 08:58 PST WASHINGTON (AP) --

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan urged Congress on Wednesday
to
deal with the country's escalating budget deficit by cutting
benefits
for future Social Security retirees.

What does Bush have to do with this basskisser? Can't you read the
very
first sentence of the story you posted?


Hmm, did you ever stop to think WHO is the commander in chief? Did you
ever stop to think that Greenspan, in his role as Federal Reserve
Chairman answers to Bush, ultimately?

Actually the President has very little influence over the economy as
compared
to others and especially the Federal Reserve Chairman.

You haven't studied economics much...

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
Hmmm, let me get this straight.... BushCo gives us back a pittance of
OUR money, in the form of a tax rebate, right? Then, because he didn't
use that money to pay for some of his worst-ever federal deficit,
Greenspan is so afraid that it will spiral out of control, that he
wants to use Social Security money, again, OUR money, to pay off some
of the deficit?? Even the conservatives should be able to see what's
wrong with THIS!! :

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, who is not a member of the US
government in any form, but rather from the Federal Reserve, a private bank,
is telling the US government what to do. This I find offensive!

"JGK" wrote in message
. ..

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
Hmmm, let me get this straight.... BushCo gives us back a pittance of
OUR money, in the form of a tax rebate, right? Then, because he didn't
use that money to pay for some of his worst-ever federal deficit,
Greenspan is so afraid that it will spiral out of control, that he
wants to use Social Security money, again, OUR money, to pay off some
of the deficit?? Even the conservatives should be able to see what's
wrong with THIS!! :

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, who is not a member of the US
government in any form, but rather from the Federal Reserve, a private
bank,
is telling the US government what to do. This I find offensive!



He is not telling the government to do anything. He is making suggestions
based on his expertise in economics.

"JGK" wrote in message
. ..

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, who is not a member of the US
government in any form, but rather from the Federal Reserve, a private
bank,
is telling the US government what to do. This I find offensive!

The great thing about this country is that I can tell anyone to do anything
I want. What I lack, at the moment, is the ability to compel anyone to do
anything I want. There is a big distinction between telling and compelling.

Bert

Bert Robbins wrote:
"JGK" wrote in message
. ..

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, who is not a member of the US
government in any form, but rather from the Federal Reserve, a private
bank,
is telling the US government what to do. This I find offensive!

The great thing about this country is that I can tell anyone to do anything
I want. What I lack, at the moment, is the ability to compel anyone to do
anything I want.


Or, in fact, pay any attention to you once they hear what you have to say.