Gould 0738 wrote:

Minimum wage jobs can not support our economy. Something will have to
give. Either the prices will come way down, or wages will have to be
adjusted accordingly.

Dave

Your premise surmises that the economy will be supported. Don't be so sure.

If the economy tanks, then who will prop up the profits of those "evil"
corporations? It is, afterall, the mass populace who buy the most goods.
If they can no longer afford to buy, then who will these corporations
sell to? It is intrinsincally important to have a healthy consumer base,
for any corporation to survive.


There are a lot of people who could give a dang less about the Golden Goose-
just as long as they *personally* get their share of
eggs before the old bird kicks off.

This may be true. But those people have not thought about the big
picture, beyond their own selfish needs.

Dave

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...

I suspect your ancestors,
who were native Americans, didn't have to put up with such nonsense.
They
were natives, right? They must be. You speak as if you belong here
and
others don't.

Where did you come up with that one? Never mind, I'm sure you have a
very active immagination.

With few exceptions, every new group of immigrants to this country have
been
targets of prejudice, ridicule, misunderstanding, violence, to varying
degrees.

Yea, and what does this have to do with the price of tea in China? It's
funny that most ethnic groups HAVE had some sort of prejudice, and yet
managed to overcome it, and become an integral part of our society, with
the exception of a very visible few. I wonder why that is?

Dave's back!!!!!

So....each ethnic group has had to overcome prejudice. Does that somehow
make it OK for you to continue such practice, like it's a harmless hazing
ritual at a fraternity?

Dave Hall wrote:
It's
funny that most ethnic groups HAVE had some sort of prejudice, and yet
managed to overcome it, and become an integral part of our society, with
the exception of a very visible few. I wonder why that is?

Because, you ignorant ass, their ethnic background was visible on their
faces.



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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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Yea, and what does this have to do with the price of tea in China?
It's
funny that most ethnic groups HAVE had some sort of prejudice, and
yet
managed to overcome it, and become an integral part of our society,
with
the exception of a very visible few. I wonder why that is?

Dave's back!!!!!

So....each ethnic group has had to overcome prejudice. Does that somehow
make it OK for you to continue such practice, like it's a harmless
hazing
ritual at a fraternity?

Who's continuing anything? I have no prejudice against anyone who
attempts to become a productive citizen, and assimilates into the
existing culture.

Dave


Right. As long as they're not Islamic, have an accent, or arrive here
illegally from Mexico and annoy you when you're at Wal Mart.

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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But they have to learn English first.....
Dave


Nah...language isn't the big deal people make it out to be. Travel to
Mexico
or Puerto Rico and you'll find that people try very hard to help
non-Spanish
speakers. It takes very little effort for us to do the same for new
arrivals. Only America and France have such ridiculous attitudes toward
visitors.

There's a difference between visiting countries and those who settle
here. It is highly impractical for "native" Americans to have to learn
several different languages to "accomodate" the needs of immigrants. It
is far more practical, and a sign of comittment, for all immigrants to
become proficient in English, as at least a second language.

Dave


Clue and FACT: The best time to learn a language is when you're age 1-4. In
this country, we do our kids a disservice by starting foreign language study
in 7th or 8th grade. For people over 20, learning a foreign language is an
uphill climb at best and a train wreck at worst. You love sources for such
statements. So, ask your kids' pediatrician, or call their school and talk
to the speech pathologist about language development vs age. Unless that
person is an idiot, you'll get a good explanation of why an immigrant can
live here for a couple of years and still have problems with English. Same
reason you'd have problems if you moved to their country.

There are a lot of people who could give a dang less about the Golden
Goose-
just as long as they *personally* get their share of
eggs before the old bird kicks off.

This may be true. But those people have not thought about the big
picture, beyond their own selfish needs.

Dave

Holy smokaronies! Those last two sentences are completely right!

Doug Kanter wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...


Yea, and what does this have to do with the price of tea in China?
It's
funny that most ethnic groups HAVE had some sort of prejudice, and
yet
managed to overcome it, and become an integral part of our society,
with
the exception of a very visible few. I wonder why that is?

Dave's back!!!!!

So....each ethnic group has had to overcome prejudice. Does that somehow
make it OK for you to continue such practice, like it's a harmless
hazing
ritual at a fraternity?

Who's continuing anything? I have no prejudice against anyone who
attempts to become a productive citizen, and assimilates into the
existing culture.

Dave


Right. As long as they're not Islamic, have an accent, or arrive here
illegally from Mexico and annoy you when you're at Wal Mart.


Ah! Ladies and gentlemen, we are here once more, to witness that classic
"debate" technique of the left, where if one is unable to debate the
issues and points, then demonize the opposition.

Many on the left, love to use the "Racist, Bigot, Prejudice" words
(Known from now on as RBP), to paint an opponent's views with a broad
brush of generalizations, designed to drown them in the stigma of shame
and ridicule, therby losing their original point in a sea of defense,
and deflection. Much in the same way as Johnny Cochrane attempted to
play the race card at the O.J. trial, to deflect from the very real
evidence against O.J. and attempt to discredit it, by clouding it with
the RBP term.

These same people cannot, or refuse to differentiate between a
difference in principles, and one of "RBP". Because I do not condone the
acts of radical Islam, who preach the killing of "infidels", and who
routinely brutalize and subjugate women and children, I am called
"prejudiced". Because I don't care for freeloaders, and people taking
advantage of a system (at our taxpaying expense), I am called "bigoted"
or "racist".

It's classic.....

Dave

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...


Who's continuing anything? I have no prejudice against anyone who
attempts to become a productive citizen, and assimilates into the
existing culture.

Dave


Right. As long as they're not Islamic, have an accent, or arrive here
illegally from Mexico and annoy you when you're at Wal Mart.


Ah! Ladies and gentlemen, we are here once more, to witness that classic
"debate" technique of the left, where if one is unable to debate the
issues and points, then demonize the opposition.


Dave, you've been shown that the illegal presence of farm workers is an
integral part of our agricultural structure, and you've almost admitted that
there's nothing we can do about it. It's also been made clear that the
practice of hiring them is not hidden by farmers, which is why farmers are
willing to discuss the issue, on the record, to reporters. And, the article
I pointed out to you discussed the fact that some states have laws in the
works to afford a few more kinds of worker protection for migrants.

But, you still focus on "illegal", even though the food these people produce
is crucial to the healthy development of your children. Perhaps I'm overly
suspicious, but all of this leads me to one conclusion. You're a racist.

Dave Hall wrote:

Ah! Ladies and gentlemen, we are here once more, to witness that classic
"debate" technique of the left, where if one is unable to debate the
issues and points, then demonize the opposition.

Funny, it seems to be far more common among right-winger who have nothing
constructive to say, and so they constantly insult & abuse any who challenge their
statements.



Many on the left, love to use the "Racist, Bigot, Prejudice" words
(Known from now on as RBP), to paint an opponent's views with a broad
brush of generalizations, designed to drown them in the stigma of shame
and ridicule

Does that mean that you're actually proud of being a bigot and a racist? Who
woulda thunk it.....

DSK

DSK wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:

Ah! Ladies and gentlemen, we are here once more, to witness that classic
"debate" technique of the left, where if one is unable to debate the
issues and points, then demonize the opposition.

Funny, it seems to be far more common among right-winger who have nothing
constructive to say, and so they constantly insult & abuse any who challenge their
statements.

In the same way that you've accused me of being a draft dodger and
condoning the burning of witches and owning slaves?




Many on the left, love to use the "Racist, Bigot, Prejudice" words
(Known from now on as RBP), to paint an opponent's views with a broad
brush of generalizations, designed to drown them in the stigma of shame
and ridicule

Does that mean that you're actually proud of being a bigot and a racist? Who
woulda thunk it.....

It's just that I can separate a problem with someon'e actions without
disliking the person according to superficial attributes.

If a black guy robs a store and shoots a cop, am I not allowed to
condemn his actions out of fear of being called a "racist", even though
his race has no bearing on his actions?

Such is the stigma used by the left to silence constructive criticism of
many liberal ideas, which are discriminatory in nature.

Dave



DSK