Chuck wrote:

"JimH is right. Leave the guy alone. We should take personal feuds off
the NG table completely......but if we did, we'd lose about a half
dozen "participants" who hang out here for no other reason than to
pitch crap at specific individuals. We might lose one or two just
recently feigning an interest in boating related topics to try and
obscure the fact that they have hung out here for years with for no
other reason than to pitch crap at specific individuals. I'm sure JimH
would join me in agreeing that the loss of any of these folks would be
no loss at all."

Sounds like a great idea to me. Who'll sign up for Chuck's idea of taking
personal feuds off the NG? Tuuk, Fritz, Basskisser, Karen, etc., etc. ???

--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

If John H is on, maybe there's some support.

As we have seen time and again, it is foolish ever to make a commitment
to change behavior forever.

I'll commit to a one-week "no comment/ no reply" policy beginning now.
During this week I will try to avoid "tweaking" anybody with my
customary rapier wit (including those who might make some unwarranted
comments about my lack of humility),
and I resolve to ignore the attack posts regardless of source or
ferocity.

If even a few others join in for the week, it would be an interesting
experiment to see if the tone of the group changes at all.

It's 10:43 Friday, PDT. :-)

"John H" wrote in message
...
Chuck wrote:

"JimH is right. Leave the guy alone. We should take personal feuds off
the NG table completely......but if we did, we'd lose about a half
dozen "participants" who hang out here for no other reason than to
pitch crap at specific individuals. We might lose one or two just
recently feigning an interest in boating related topics to try and
obscure the fact that they have hung out here for years with for no
other reason than to pitch crap at specific individuals. I'm sure JimH
would join me in agreeing that the loss of any of these folks would be
no loss at all."

Sounds like a great idea to me. Who'll sign up for Chuck's idea of taking
personal feuds off the NG? Tuuk, Fritz, Basskisser, Karen, etc., etc. ???

--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."


Too bad Chuck won't follow his own advice and get off my case already.

John H wrote:
Chuck wrote:

"JimH is right. Leave the guy alone. We should take personal feuds off
the NG table completely......but if we did, we'd lose about a half
dozen "participants" who hang out here for no other reason than to
pitch crap at specific individuals. We might lose one or two just
recently feigning an interest in boating related topics to try and
obscure the fact that they have hung out here for years with for no
other reason than to pitch crap at specific individuals. I'm sure JimH
would join me in agreeing that the loss of any of these folks would be
no loss at all."

Sounds like a great idea to me. Who'll sign up for Chuck's idea of taking
personal feuds off the NG? Tuuk, Fritz, Basskisser, Karen, etc., etc. ???



Have you lost your mind John???

This spamming OT BS'ter Gould has tried this many times over the years
so he can post more deceptive sales spam, start more OT political posts
& try to BS his way around the NG as he does in life, as for Krause he's
a dangerous article. Nothing but bullies.

Sorry John nice thought & all I think you've been taken in "again". How
many 10s of thousands had to die last time we tried appeasement with the
Krauses of this world?? They're so stupid they only get the picture when
you bomb the b'jeesus out of 'em & expose them for what they are.

So you appease them all you like John but sorry I don't kowtow to
anyone much less these lying idiots.

Anyway I guess you can mark me down as a "maybe"???:-)

K

Been busy today so I'll keep the Krause lie of the day short.

This lying simpleton, after it became clear he was losing a thread
where he was displaying his usual lack of patriotism much less gratitude
for the brave men & women out there risking their everything, to keep
the likes of him safe, he just reverts to type.

But seriously can you imagine this uneducated union thug now claims
he is reviewing universities!!! & wait for it he poo poos the
engineering course!!! this from a lying uneducated union thug who
couldn't use a toaster without a union authorised electrician in attendance.

I've included just one of the followup responses but it was such a
bald faced lie it even embarrassed the rejoinders:-)


I have visited West Point, the Naval Academy, the Air Force Academy and
the sub training facility at Groton. Some years ago, I actually did look
over descriptions of some of the course material at Annapolis and the
c.v.'s of some of the faculty. I'm sure the engineering course material
is fairly rigorous, though it is more "trade-oriented" and did not look
up to MIT or CalTech standards. I mean, if your goal is to be an
aeronautical engineer, you're going to get better training at MIT or
CalTech or at any of a large number of other engineering schools. I
thought the faculty academic credentials no better than what is found at
a typical smaller four year public university. The military academies
turn out military officers with an education, not highly educated
military officers. But that is their purpose, eh?



--


Holy molly, grandma, put on your high boots.


Harry Krause, admitted graduate in the humanities with a degree in
English
is hereby qualified to critique the engineering curriculum of not
only West
Point, but also that of the Naval Academy and the Air Force Academy and
compare it to that of MIT and CalTech.


The above paragraph is a classic.


You missed your calling Harry.

Harry Krause wrote:
K. Smith wrote:

John H wrote:

Chuck wrote:

"JimH is right. Leave the guy alone. We should take personal feuds off
the NG table completely......but if we did, we'd lose about a half
dozen "participants" who hang out here for no other reason than to
pitch crap at specific individuals. We might lose one or two just
recently feigning an interest in boating related topics to try and
obscure the fact that they have hung out here for years with for no
other reason than to pitch crap at specific individuals. I'm sure JimH
would join me in agreeing that the loss of any of these folks would be
no loss at all."

Sounds like a great idea to me. Who'll sign up for Chuck's idea of
taking
personal feuds off the NG? Tuuk, Fritz, Basskisser, Karen, etc., etc.
???



Have you lost your mind John???

This spamming OT BS'ter Gould has tried this many times over the
years so he can post more deceptive sales spam, start more OT
political posts & try to BS his way around the NG as he does in life,
as for Krause he's a dangerous article. Nothing but bullies.



Here we go again: Ms. Psychotic Australia is off her meds again.

No one in the diesel outboard business in Australia has ever heard of
Karen Smith. The largest factor in diesel outboards in Australia is
Britton Marine. They don't know our Karen Smith, "inventor" of the
diesel outboard.



Ah Ha!! the endless line of no product to show at all wannabes:-)
spruiking nothing more than "plans" to get other peoples' money:-) Love
it!!!

You continue to stalk me as you've tried for years & done with anyone
who dares stand up to your bullying & lies.

You're a simpleton liar Krause & can cause me no trouble at all:-) It's
a measure of your delusional state that you'd think you can even try:-)

The "fix" for this NG is for you & Gould to go off to the socialist
utopia you espouse & both sit in a dark cave holding hands & wondering
who you'll both blame now for your failed lives.



K

Been busy today so I'll keep the Krause lie of the day short.

This lying simpleton, after it became clear he was losing a thread
where he was displaying his usual lack of patriotism much less gratitude
for the brave men & women out there risking their everything, to keep
the likes of him safe, he just reverts to type.

But seriously can you imagine this uneducated union thug now claims
he is reviewing universities!!! & wait for it he poo poos the
engineering course!!! this from a lying uneducated union thug who
couldn't use a toaster without a union authorised electrician in attendance.

I've included just one of the followup responses but it was such a
bald faced lie it even embarrassed the rejoinders:-)


I have visited West Point, the Naval Academy, the Air Force Academy and
the sub training facility at Groton. Some years ago, I actually did look
over descriptions of some of the course material at Annapolis and the
c.v.'s of some of the faculty. I'm sure the engineering course material
is fairly rigorous, though it is more "trade-oriented" and did not look
up to MIT or CalTech standards. I mean, if your goal is to be an
aeronautical engineer, you're going to get better training at MIT or
CalTech or at any of a large number of other engineering schools. I
thought the faculty academic credentials no better than what is found at
a typical smaller four year public university. The military academies
turn out military officers with an education, not highly educated
military officers. But that is their purpose, eh?



--


Holy molly, grandma, put on your high boots.


Harry Krause, admitted graduate in the humanities with a degree in
English
is hereby qualified to critique the engineering curriculum of not
only West
Point, but also that of the Naval Academy and the Air Force Academy and
compare it to that of MIT and CalTech.


The above paragraph is a classic.


You missed your calling Harry.

On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:30:16 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


Too bad Chuck won't follow his own advice and get off my case already.

you poor, poor dear.

bb

"K. Smith" wrote in message
...

Been busy today so I'll keep the Krause lie of the day short.

This lying simpleton, after it became clear he was losing a thread
where he was displaying his usual lack of patriotism much less gratitude
for the brave men & women out there risking their everything, to keep the
likes of him safe, he just reverts to type.

But seriously can you imagine this uneducated union thug now claims he
is reviewing universities!!! & wait for it he poo poos the engineering
course!!! this from a lying uneducated union thug who couldn't use a
toaster without a union authorised electrician in attendance.

I've included just one of the followup responses but it was such a
bald faced lie it even embarrassed the rejoinders:-)


I have visited West Point, the Naval Academy, the Air Force Academy and
the sub training facility at Groton. Some years ago, I actually did look
over descriptions of some of the course material at Annapolis and the
c.v.'s of some of the faculty. I'm sure the engineering course material
is fairly rigorous, though it is more "trade-oriented" and did not look
up to MIT or CalTech standards. I mean, if your goal is to be an
aeronautical engineer, you're going to get better training at MIT or
CalTech or at any of a large number of other engineering schools. I
thought the faculty academic credentials no better than what is found at
a typical smaller four year public university. The military academies
turn out military officers with an education, not highly educated
military officers. But that is their purpose, eh?



--


Holy molly, grandma, put on your high boots.


Harry Krause, admitted graduate in the humanities with a degree in
English
is hereby qualified to critique the engineering curriculum of not
only West
Point, but also that of the Naval Academy and the Air Force Academy and
compare it to that of MIT and CalTech.


The above paragraph is a classic.


You missed your calling Harry.





How absolutely hysterical! Thanks Karen.

The lies just keep on coming with this guy.

John H

By 2:14 it already appears that there is little or no interest in your
idea. Too bad.

I'll honor my commitment of a week, however.

Harry Krause wrote:
K. Smith wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

K. Smith wrote:

John H wrote:

Chuck wrote:

"JimH is right. Leave the guy alone. We should take personal feuds off
the NG table completely......but if we did, we'd lose about a half
dozen "participants" who hang out here for no other reason than to
pitch crap at specific individuals. We might lose one or two just
recently feigning an interest in boating related topics to try and
obscure the fact that they have hung out here for years with for no
other reason than to pitch crap at specific individuals. I'm sure JimH
would join me in agreeing that the loss of any of these folks would be
no loss at all."

Sounds like a great idea to me. Who'll sign up for Chuck's idea of
taking
personal feuds off the NG? Tuuk, Fritz, Basskisser, Karen, etc.,
etc. ???



Have you lost your mind John???

This spamming OT BS'ter Gould has tried this many times over the
years so he can post more deceptive sales spam, start more OT
political posts & try to BS his way around the NG as he does in
life, as for Krause he's a dangerous article. Nothing but bullies.



Here we go again: Ms. Psychotic Australia is off her meds again.

No one in the diesel outboard business in Australia has ever heard of
Karen Smith. The largest factor in diesel outboards in Australia is
Britton Marine. They don't know our Karen Smith, "inventor" of the
diesel outboard.



Ah Ha!! the endless line of no product to show at all wannabes:-)
spruiking nothing more than "plans" to get other peoples' money:-)
Love it!!!

You continue to stalk me as you've tried for years & done with
anyone who dares stand up to your bullying & lies.

You're a simpleton liar Krause & can cause me no trouble at all:-)
It's a measure of your delusional state that you'd think you can even
try:-)



Stalk you? You mean find out that your claim to have "invented" a diesel
outboard is total complete b.s., and that the major factor in diesel
outboards in Australia has never heard of you?




I have never claimed to have "invented" diesel outboards this is just
another of your lies. (Hey maybe you've got me mixed up with Al Gore??
he claimed to have invented all sorts of things:-)) All my posts are
archived under my own name because unlike you I have nothing whatsoever
to hide.

Just as I always paste your own words, then you need to show where I've
"ever" made such a claim because I flatly deny it.

For the record the "idea" goes way back & is well beyond such claims by
anyone, however Yanmar particularly do have some good patents ticking
away on their improvements to the execution of them.

Unlike you I don't lie, I'm mostly happy with how my life has gone, I'm
very proud of my late Dad & certainly have no need to make up BS stories
about him as you do about your father, same goes for my partner so again
unlike you no need there & certainly I don't use this NG as a spamming
ground to sell anything at all, never have & never will.

Again for the record I have no trouble with anyone actually making
anything they want, indeed that's what I do; I'm an encourager of others
to do exactly that!! However to my current knowledge (always happy to
review any material of course), up till now the only diesel full OBs
that actually "exist" other than in the minds of dreamers & spruikers,
are the Yanmar range (brilliant!!) & my few (even more brilliant!!).

Till recently the problem with anything more than very small scale
production of large diesel OBs (i.e. one at a time) was the marketing is
very difficult, unless you want to just "give" your work away so others
can profit for no input at all & I don't want to do that:-).

Dealers demand & mostly get a minimum of 17% (aggregate of the retail
price maintenance euphemistically named "rebates"; i.e. kickbacks, all
manner of ever changing "allowances" or subsidies, reward points, staff
training recompense, finance,) on larger OBs & often ranging up to 22%.

The highest even I was unaware of till the US courts confirmed it, was
30% on Ficht!!! Imagine; no wonder those BS'ting NG spammers were so
upset with me, they were getting 30% on a $12000 OB engine which they
didn't even have to pay for!!!

Although with a marketing line that reads "you don't need to go near a
lying thieving scum dealer for 3 full years" I suspect E-Tec is giving
the dealers even more to market their re-named Ficht:-) I say it's the
dealers making up for the losses on Ficht i.e. new buyers are getting
ripped off so the dealers can socialise the losses, very French don't
you think?

The only "market" left was things like govt aid, the armed forces etc
which the spruikers endlessly try to mine, of course always making crazy
claims about things they haven't even made:-)

This is all fine with me because I'm confident if or when one of these
wannabes finds, cracks or even creates a viable market for large diesel
OBs then the matter can be quickly reviewed. After all we've done the
hard part over a decade ago, designed & built the prototypes then
actually made some. Probably a 5 yr head start on the wannabes if they
ever do come along, but so far none.

What has changed lately is OB pricing in general; it went up
dramatically with the DFIs in the 90s, when they spectacularly failed as
predicted:-) people seemed almost grateful to be charged even more
absurd prices for 4 strokes, now Merc have come along with the Verado
series & jumped the price another seemingly impossible quantum leap!!!.

They've also made it very clear they will not be happy till all other
sellers have raised their prices to the same as Verado (they've lodged
dumping complaints against Yamaha but that's really the Japanese in
general). Needless to say the marketers of the other brands will be only
too happy to comply:-) Get ready for OB price rises that will make fuel
price increases look tame:-)

Clearly the French are not & never have been shy about ripping you
Yankees off so Merc have no concern that E-tec will be anything other
than hideous ripoff dear. The fact it will fail as Ficht did is just a
bonus for Merc.

This along with the recent free trade deal, just "might" create an
opportunity for a niche very low volume player, so long as the offering
is not just more of the same & we've shown we're good at that:-) In this
environment the blokes are looking at the project again but alas & to my
disappointment using a petrol core rather than diesel.


K

Been busy today so I'll keep the Krause lie of the day short.

This lying simpleton, after it became clear he was losing a thread
where he was displaying his usual lack of patriotism much less gratitude
for the brave men & women out there risking their everything, to keep
the likes of him safe, he just reverts to type.

But seriously can you imagine this uneducated union thug now claims
he is reviewing universities!!! & wait for it he poo poos the
engineering course!!! this from a lying uneducated union thug who
couldn't use a toaster without a union authorised electrician in attendance.

I've included just one of the followup responses but it was such a
bald faced lie it even embarrassed the rejoinders:-)


I have visited West Point, the Naval Academy, the Air Force Academy and
the sub training facility at Groton. Some years ago, I actually did look
over descriptions of some of the course material at Annapolis and the
c.v.'s of some of the faculty. I'm sure the engineering course material
is fairly rigorous, though it is more "trade-oriented" and did not look
up to MIT or CalTech standards. I mean, if your goal is to be an
aeronautical engineer, you're going to get better training at MIT or
CalTech or at any of a large number of other engineering schools. I
thought the faculty academic credentials no better than what is found at
a typical smaller four year public university. The military academies
turn out military officers with an education, not highly educated
military officers. But that is their purpose, eh?



--


Holy molly, grandma, put on your high boots.

On 8 Apr 2005 14:18:46 -0700, wrote:

John H

By 2:14 it already appears that there is little or no interest in your
idea. Too bad.

I'll honor my commitment of a week, however.

Sounds good to me!

My brother, wife, and two daughters (12 and 14) are flying in tomorrow from
SeaTac to spend a week. They live in Bothell. Hopefully the weather will be nice
enough to get out on the Bay. It's not Puget Sound, but it's the best we've got.

The trophy striper season starts the following Saturday, but they're flying out
at 6 am, so he won't get to catch a striper this year. 'Course, I won't get to
catch a salmon, either!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."