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use Biodiesel, OPEC get a life.
"Scott Downey" wrote in message ... At least we have a renewable source of fuel, so when the oil runs out in OPEC land, we can grow our own in farmlands, mostly from soybeans. It is a good proven solution to the eventual loss of fossil fuel. You could never grow enough to satisfy the demand. It is not a solution, it is only "feel good" technology and a waste of money. The beauty of TCP is that it coverts waste products into fuels, fertilizers, minerals, and gases, and the whole process is powered by fuels produced in the process. The process is so clean that the plants do not even need permits. |
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use Biodiesel, OPEC get a life.
"K. Smith" wrote in message ... Just like domestic garbage so-called recycling, it's a scam after mostly tax payers money fromn weak govt & quasi govt instrumentalities. Cost the GDP, jobs & the enviroment dearly, don't fall for it. K Tell that to Butterball, they power a whole factory solely on turkey innards and bones. They use NO electricity from any other source and have surplus power they sell back to the local power company. I'm sure there are many scams out there that promise energy from waste, but this isnt one of them. |
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use Biodiesel, OPEC get a life.
"thunder" wrote in message news  On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 08:05:34 -0500, Scott Downey wrote: At least we have a renewable source of fuel, so when the oil runs out in OPEC land, we can grow our own in farmlands, mostly from soybeans. It is a good proven solution to the eventual loss of fossil fuel. Not really. Modern agriculture is heavily petroleum intensive (pesticides, fertilizers, etc). The harvest of most crops use more energy than the potential return. We have become far to dependent on oil. If there is even a small amount of truth in what the doomsayers are saying, our grandchildren face a very serious problem. http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/ Also see the book "Hubbert's Peak : The Impending World Oil Shortage" for the original source. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books Mark Browne |
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use Biodiesel, OPEC get a life.
On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:49:35 +0000, Joe wrote:
"K. Smith" wrote in message ... Just like domestic garbage so-called recycling, it's a scam after mostly tax payers money fromn weak govt & quasi govt instrumentalities. Cost the GDP, jobs & the enviroment dearly, don't fall for it. K Tell that to Butterball, they power a whole factory solely on turkey innards and bones. They use NO electricity from any other source and have surplus power they sell back to the local power company. I'm sure there are many scams out there that promise energy from waste, but this isnt one of them. Joe, I'm not familiar with that example but certainly wouldn't just accept their claims. If these people take in turkeys & produce processed (lots of steam & heat??) product out the other end, then try to claim they do it without any energy inputs??? indeed say they have excess?? well they certainly know how to process investor turkeys that's for su-) These claims never ever stand up to independant examinations, yes there are the rare times when an expensive capital intensive arrangement can "seem" to get something for nothing, but as with everything else in life, that just doesn't happen. Reshuffles are easy but even a small net gain is very tricky. The best that can be expected is a shuffling on costs (economic & environmental) from one location/payer/class to another. A bit like how the democrats operate, they rob risk taker hard working paul to pay lay about liar peter, then try to claim they've increased the whole:-) When it happens & I agree it will, then we'll all know about it because they'll be a rush to adopt it. K |
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use Biodiesel, OPEC get a life.
K. Smith wrote:
On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:49:35 +0000, Joe wrote: "K. Smith" wrote in message ... Just like domestic garbage so-called recycling, it's a scam after mostly tax payers money fromn weak govt & quasi govt instrumentalities. Cost the GDP, jobs & the enviroment dearly, don't fall for it. K Tell that to Butterball, they power a whole factory solely on turkey innards and bones. They use NO electricity from any other source and have surplus power they sell back to the local power company. I'm sure there are many scams out there that promise energy from waste, but this isnt one of them. Joe, I'm not familiar with that example but certainly wouldn't just accept their claims. You're actually not familiar with much of anything, but you sure try hard to give the impression. If these people take in turkeys & produce processed (lots of steam & heat??) product out the other end, then try to claim they do it without any energy inputs??? indeed say they have excess?? well they certainly know how to process investor turkeys that's for su-) These claims never ever stand up to independant examinations, As a matter of fact, there are any number of turkey and chicken processing plants that have adopted and innovated technology that allows them to use the byproducts of the animals they slaughter as the "fuel" to feed their energy needs. Most of these processes are a bit more advanced technologically than buying someone's already built diesel engine and welding or superglueing it onto a kit-bashed outboard motor lower unit and then claiming you've invented some new product. There are plenty of articles available on converting the by-products of food processing into energy. It wouldn't surprise me if some clever boys have figured out how to generate enough for self-sufficiency. What the hell do you *really* know, Ms. Smith? Most of what you post reads as if you're drunk, high or just generally ****ed at how the world has passed you by. Your best bet would be to enroll in a a high school level course in standard English. |
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use Biodiesel, OPEC get a life.
"K. Smith" wrote in message ... On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:49:35 +0000, Joe wrote: "K. Smith" wrote in message ... Just like domestic garbage so-called recycling, it's a scam after mostly tax payers money fromn weak govt & quasi govt instrumentalities. Cost the GDP, jobs & the enviroment dearly, don't fall for it. K Tell that to Butterball, they power a whole factory solely on turkey innards and bones. They use NO electricity from any other source and have surplus power they sell back to the local power company. I'm sure there are many scams out there that promise energy from waste, but this isnt one of them. Joe, I'm not familiar with that example but certainly wouldn't just accept their claims. If these people take in turkeys & produce processed (lots of steam & heat??) product out the other end, then try to claim they do it without any energy inputs??? indeed say they have excess?? well they certainly know how to process investor turkeys that's for su-) These claims never ever stand up to independant examinations, yes there are the rare times when an expensive capital intensive arrangement can "seem" to get something for nothing, but as with everything else in life, that just doesn't happen. Reshuffles are easy but even a small net gain is very tricky. The best that can be expected is a shuffling on costs (economic & environmental) from one location/payer/class to another. A bit like how the democrats operate, they rob risk taker hard working paul to pay lay about liar peter, then try to claim they've increased the whole:-) When it happens & I agree it will, then we'll all know about it because they'll be a rush to adopt it. K They probably take in live turkeys, and output frozen turkeys in plastic bags. Can they make enough energy from burning the feet, heads, feathers, guts? Hard to say. del cecchi |
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use Biodiesel, OPEC get a life.
On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:37:19 -0600, del cecchi wrote:
They probably take in live turkeys, and output frozen turkeys in plastic bags. Can they make enough energy from burning the feet, heads, feathers, guts? Hard to say. http://www.mindfully.org/Air/2003/Bu...rgy16may03.htm Although, it's not without critics: http://www.energyjustice.net/fibrowatch/toxics.html |
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use Biodiesel, OPEC get a life.
"thunder" wrote in message news
Although, it's not without critics: http://www.energyjustice.net/fibrowatch/toxics.html What the hell does this have to do with the TCP process? This link focuses on incineration, not TCP. |
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use Biodiesel, OPEC get a life.
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 04:38:02 +0000, Joe wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message news
Although, it's not without critics: http://www.energyjustice.net/fibrowatch/toxics.html What the hell does this have to do with the TCP process? This link focuses on incineration, not TCP. That link was embedded on the other link's page. On further reading, the TCP process looks interesting and promising, but it is difficult to find information on it that doesn't have a promotional bent. Conceptually, I can understand the process, but I am curious as to how the contaminants are removed. |
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