Keep on spamming Chuck. I proved my point.


Have a nice evening.


*************

I think JohnH put it rather succinctly, yesterday. He commented that
you had "expressed your point, but not proved it."

Of all the comments made so far, several people appreciate my personal
observations and pass-throughs of legitimate industry news while you
and one other person have espressed displeasure. Knowing full well that
the only thing I could do to please either you or your close ally in
this matter would be to die, (preferably slowly and horribly), I really
don't give a rat's anus what you think.

Lack of giving a rat's anus doesn't stop me from being amused that you
take the whole thing so far out of perspective that you have wasted
much of a day with your campaign.

Enough coffee break. Back to work for me. Thanks for the amusing
interlude, really.

On 4 Apr 2005 16:14:48 -0700, wrote:

Keep on spamming Chuck. I proved my point.


Have a nice evening.


*************

I think JohnH put it rather succinctly, yesterday. He commented that
you had "expressed your point, but not proved it."

Of all the comments made so far, several people appreciate my personal
observations and pass-throughs of legitimate industry news while you
and one other person have espressed displeasure. Knowing full well that
the only thing I could do to please either you or your close ally in
this matter would be to die, (preferably slowly and horribly), I really
don't give a rat's anus what you think.

Lack of giving a rat's anus doesn't stop me from being amused that you
take the whole thing so far out of perspective that you have wasted
much of a day with your campaign.

Enough coffee break. Back to work for me. Thanks for the amusing
interlude, really.

Any idea what the Mainship 34 is selling for? That's a sweet boat.

http://www.mainship.com/models/34trawler/34-2005.html
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Any idea what the Mainship 34 is selling for? That's a sweet boat.

***************

I didn't research the price of the 34, as we were concentrating on the
40. Based on a little snooping in Yachtworld and noting the pricing of
a few new, leftover, 2004 models I would speculate that a 34 should be
available, adequately equipped and on the east coast, for between
$250-300k.

On 5 Apr 2005 08:50:58 -0700, wrote:

Any idea what the Mainship 34 is selling for? That's a sweet boat.

***************

I didn't research the price of the 34, as we were concentrating on the
40. Based on a little snooping in Yachtworld and noting the pricing of
a few new, leftover, 2004 models I would speculate that a 34 should be
available, adequately equipped and on the east coast, for between
$250-300k.

Thanks.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

wrote in message
oups.com...

If you find it funny causing another's blood pressure to rise then you are
indeed sadistic.

But sorry to burst your bubble Chuck....the blood pressure is A-OK. Just
having some fun with you by showing the hypocrisy.

Keep on spamming Chuck. I proved my point.


Have a nice evening.


*************

I think JohnH put it rather succinctly, yesterday. He commented that
you had "expressed your point, but not proved it."

Of all the comments made so far, several people appreciate my personal
observations and pass-throughs of legitimate industry news while you
and one other person have espressed displeasure. Knowing full well that
the only thing I could do to please either you or your close ally in
this matter would be to die, (preferably slowly and horribly), I really
don't give a rat's anus what you think.

Lack of giving a rat's anus doesn't stop me from being amused that you
take the whole thing so far out of perspective that you have wasted
much of a day with your campaign.

Enough coffee break. Back to work for me. Thanks for the amusing
interlude, really.


I could care less about your spam. My posts were only to show that they
were no different than yours.

Now take the phone numbers and email addresses out, post some comments about
the negative side of the boats (all have some problem or another) and it may
show that you are not doing this for some sort of payola.

Spam is spam Chuck. You apparently are so caught up in it that you cannot
see it.

Have a nice evening.

BTW: You are equally amusing. ;-)

JimH,
Can you imagine anyone, paying anything, to anyone, to post an ad in this
dysfunctional newsgroup?

There are very few things in life I am sure of, but I am sure Chuck is not
getting payola or any perks to cut and paste one of his articles in
rec.boats.




"JimH" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
oups.com...

If you find it funny causing another's blood pressure to rise then you
are
indeed sadistic.

But sorry to burst your bubble Chuck....the blood pressure is A-OK. Just
having some fun with you by showing the hypocrisy.

Keep on spamming Chuck. I proved my point.


Have a nice evening.


*************

I think JohnH put it rather succinctly, yesterday. He commented that
you had "expressed your point, but not proved it."

Of all the comments made so far, several people appreciate my personal
observations and pass-throughs of legitimate industry news while you
and one other person have espressed displeasure. Knowing full well that
the only thing I could do to please either you or your close ally in
this matter would be to die, (preferably slowly and horribly), I really
don't give a rat's anus what you think.

Lack of giving a rat's anus doesn't stop me from being amused that you
take the whole thing so far out of perspective that you have wasted
much of a day with your campaign.

Enough coffee break. Back to work for me. Thanks for the amusing
interlude, really.


I could care less about your spam. My posts were only to show that they
were no different than yours.

Now take the phone numbers and email addresses out, post some comments
about the negative side of the boats (all have some problem or another)
and it may show that you are not doing this for some sort of payola.

Spam is spam Chuck. You apparently are so caught up in it that you cannot
see it.

Have a nice evening.

BTW: You are equally amusing. ;-)

wrote:
Keep on spamming Chuck. I proved my point.


Have a nice evening.


*************

I think JohnH put it rather succinctly, yesterday. He commented that
you had "expressed your point, but not proved it."

Of all the comments made so far, several people appreciate my personal
observations and pass-throughs of legitimate industry news while you
and one other person have espressed displeasure. Knowing full well that
the only thing I could do to please either you or your close ally in
this matter would be to die, (preferably slowly and horribly), I really
don't give a rat's anus what you think.


Gee now don't go & over react Gould, it's sad that you need to do this
low life NG spamming just to scratch a meager living, I mean the use
cars didn't work out, the used boat broker likewise so now you're
reduced to being a dock rat looking to scuttle over other people's boats
& then give the sales pitch, sad really.

However credit where credit is due, so ......... I wish to take full
credit for stopping our resident deceptive spammer from posting spam
about foreign boats of dubious quality with endless references to the
"quality" "he" found, they have to say that of course because everyone
knows the history of Taiwanese boats, why anyone with enough hooch to
buy a 68ftr would buy such a thing beggers belief, but hey Gould & his
Tonto Krause begger belief with every post.

Being a deceptive spammer our BS'ter Gould never mentions anything he
knows might be important & detrimental to a sale so no mention of the
foreign boat's Taiwan history.

So full kudos to me I say:-); at least I shamed Gould into now NG
spamming locally made boats:-) Funny thing is he has no trouble at all
telling you over & over & over they're not Taiwanese:-) Ah the socialist
mind no point wondering how it works for it doesn't, it's just an eating
reflex & Gould has associated deception with eating for so long he has
no clue of anything else. It's particularly funny given his rabbiting on
endlessly about the evils of Chinese toasters:-) What a characterless
spamming schmuck you are Gould:-)

Lack of giving a rat's anus doesn't stop me from being amused that you
take the whole thing so far out of perspective that you have wasted
much of a day with your campaign.

Enough coffee break. Back to work for me. Thanks for the amusing
interlude, rea


K

The Krause lie of they day I hear you asking for??? OK it's not a
repeat; not till my new script starts appending them that is:-)

But I thought you should know something funny about this Krause lie
list, in the early days he went on & on & on about his Hatt 43 & yes
lots of people called him BS till he finally posted a pic of his Hatt 43.

Needless to say this lying grub will stop at nothing in his lame
attempts to be believed as a boater just as he did in the jetski NGs.

Oops so sorry rambling again:-) anyway the really funny bit??? ages
later someone finds the same pic on a Hatt web site!!! yes truly this
lying idiot lifted a pic of a Hatt 43 from a web site then posted it as
his own boat!!!:-)

But there's more!!! get his answer it's almost as funny as him
getting caught red handed, he claimed it was a "sister ship" to his!!!
so that's why he posted the pic as his own boat!!!


Here are some:




Hatteras 43' sportfish
Swan 41' racing/cruising sloop
Morgan 33
O'Day 30
Cruisers, Inc., Mackinac 22
Century Coronado
Bill Luders 16, as sweet a sailboat as ever caught a breeze.
Century 19' wood lapstrake with side wheel steering
Cruisers, Inc. 18' and 16' wood lapstrakes
Wolverines. Molded plywood. Gorgeous. Several. 14,15,17 footers
with various
Evinrudes
Lighting class sailboat
Botved Coronet with twin 50 hp Evinrudes. Interesting boat.
Aristocraft (a piece of junk...13', fast, held together with spit)
Alcort Sunfish
Ancarrow Marine Aquiflyer. 22' footer with two Caddy Crusaders.
Guaranteed 60 mph. In the late 1950's.
Skimmar brand skiff
Arkansas Traveler fiberglass bowrider (I think it was a bowrider)
Dyer Dhow
Su-Mark round bilge runabout, fiberglass
Penn Yan runabouts. Wood.
Old Town wood and canvas canoe
Old Town sailing canoe...different than above canoe





I own the following boats:


a 36' "lobster" style boat
a 19' center console fishing boat
an 11' inflatable dinghy
1/2 of a canoe


Those are the types of boats I currently own. I'm also in the market for
some interesting kind of lightweight flatbottomed skiff, similar to the
old Skimmar, for the "new" 51-year-old 10 hp outboard I recently bought.


One of the boats is kept on dry land within a half mile of Chesapeake
Bay. One is kept at a private covered boat dock in a little creek off
Chesapeake Bay. One is kept in the backyard of a friend who lives much
closer to the Shenandoah River than I do. And one is kept next to the
36-footer."

However credit where credit is due, so ......... I wish to take full
credit for stopping our resident deceptive spammer from posting spam
about foreign boats of dubious quality with endless references to the
"quality" "he" found, they have to say that of course because everyone
knows the history of Taiwanese boats, why anyone with enough hooch to
buy a 68ftr would buy such a thing beggers belief, but hey Gould & his
Tonto Krause begger belief with every post.

**************************

You have now proven that you don't know squat about the Taiwan boat
building industry.

I *own* a boat built in Taiwan.

A probably majority of larger boats sold today are built in Asia,
although some builders have left Tawain for cheaper labor in other
countries. Some builders, such as Riviera, (a very good boat, imo) are
even taking advantage of the relatively cheap labor and weak currency
in Australia. Do the Aussies generally resent the Taiwan builders as
competitors?

It is very possible to build a quality boat in Taiwan, just as it is
possible to find both reasonable, intellectual, emotionally healthy
people as well as (let's just say) "others"
in Australia. In fact, the general run of Taiwanese boats has been
pretty good over the years. We have hundreds of examples of 30-year-old
Taiwan trawlers that have been sitting out in the Washington rain since
new that are still in very decent shape for their age when compared to
boats built anywhere else.

The Mainship line is notable because it is an American-built product in
a category (trawler) that is dominated by Asian imports.

Your comment about Taiwan boats is particularly funny when one realizes
that the majority of folks spouting, "Them folks in Taiwan don't know
how to build a boat!" are probably Union workers, employed at
non-Taiwanese manufacturers. So I have been wrong about you on this
point- you are willing to side with the unions and the manufacturers
providing they are GD'ing somebody else you dislike even more.

wrote:
However credit where credit is due, so ......... I wish to take full
credit for stopping our resident deceptive spammer from posting spam
about foreign boats of dubious quality with endless references to the
"quality" "he" found, they have to say that of course because everyone
knows the history of Taiwanese boats, why anyone with enough hooch to
buy a 68ftr would buy such a thing beggers belief, but hey Gould & his
Tonto Krause begger belief with every post.

**************************

You have now proven that you don't know squat about the Taiwan boat
building industry.

I *own* a boat built in Taiwan.

Of course you do Gould yet you endless berate people of the evils of
buying Chinese toasters:-) You're just another socialist hypocrite?? yes???


A probably majority of larger boats sold today are built in Asia,
although some builders have left Tawain for cheaper labor in other
countries. Some builders, such as Riviera, (a very good boat, imo) are
even taking advantage of the relatively cheap labor and weak currency
in Australia. Do the Aussies generally resent the Taiwan builders as
competitors?

Riviera was in fact an Aus boat to start with we called them Mariners.
They're reasonable middle quality certainly better than the risks
attached to Taiwan.


It is very possible to build a quality boat in Taiwan, just as it is
possible to find both reasonable, intellectual, emotionally healthy
people as well as (let's just say) "others"
in Australia. In fact, the general run of Taiwanese boats has been
pretty good over the years. We have hundreds of examples of 30-year-old
Taiwan trawlers that have been sitting out in the Washington rain since
new that are still in very decent shape for their age when compared to
boats built anywhere else.

You clearly were still selling used cars then because I can recount
endless horror stories of Taiwanese & Hong Kong boats of that period.
It's "possible" to build a good boat anywhere, but the QA is just not
there. As for you overlooking the important fact that the 68ftr you were
attempting to spam us with was a Taiwanese boat confirms you know
exactly what you're doing as always with your deceptions, this is just
more of the same.


The Mainship line is notable because it is an American-built product in
a category (trawler) that is dominated by Asian imports.

I have no argument but equally how many times did you mention Mainship
is US built?? What percentage of the spam was devoted to repeating the
US made mantra over & over the endless virtues of a locally built boat??
yet not a single solitary word did you print about the origin when
spamming a 68 ftr from Taiwan, why???? Well it's obvious you're well
aware that Taiwanese boats are for those that want to look good at the
docks but know 2/5 of 3/8 of bugger all about boats & as proof I offer
up you.


Your comment about Taiwan boats is particularly funny when one realizes
that the majority of folks spouting, "Them folks in Taiwan don't know
how to build a boat!" are probably Union workers, employed at
non-Taiwanese manufacturers. So I have been wrong about you on this
point- you are willing to side with the unions and the manufacturers
providing they are GD'ing somebody else you dislike even more.


I don't care who builds what or where, I do care when people like you
deceive people with lies of omission as you did yet again here.

As the amounts of materials used in boat hulls has reduced over the
years it's become even more critical that proper QA is observed & this
is reflected in the used prices of various boats from all manner of
origins who have a reputation for having had some spectacular lapses of QA.

Sure someone from the white shoe brigade will always buy almost any
boat but......... there are only so many of you out there Gould & once
you bought your cheap boat then the price plummets as the number of
chumps gets progressively thinner on the ground.


K

& the Krause lie of the day is........

from what we call the "father" series, this is a sad collection of lies
about the mythical father, much the same as immature school kids make
up. The sad part is that a man in his 50s would be so ashamed of his
father's real achievements that he besmirches his memory with such
infantile lies.


My father, who died in the 1970s, was a fairly well known boating
sportsman in
the New England-New York area. He was a boat dealer and marina
operator. For
grins, he raced hydroplanes and utility outboards in the late 40's
and early
50's, and won the Albany to New York race twice and a number of other
races.
For many years, he always had the *fastest* boat on Long Island
Sound. I don't
know whether that was true, but I don't recall anyone with a faster
boat, and
he drove all over looking for them. The boat, which changed from year
to year,
was always called "Bob's Hope." Later, he drove a twin 50-hp Evinrude
powered
Swedish boat across the North Atlantic in winter as a publicity stunt
for a
line of Swedish boats he was distributing in New England. Came over
the lee of
a tanker. He owned a *lot* of boats, including a PT boat for a while
and a
DUCK.
I don't know that I have more experience with boats than anyone in
here. I've
been boating since I was about 7 or so, and that was 50 years ago.
I've owned
a *lot* of different kinds of boats.
What *you* believe is your business. Frankly, I don't give a damn.


Also of course, note the "in winter":-)

My father and his chief mechanic once crossed the Atlantic in winter in
a 22'
boat powered by twin outboards. Yes, it is possible, even the fuel. Got a
"fireboat" welcome in NYC.

After dealing with Geico insurance years ago, I would never have them as my
carrier. The other person carried Geico. And he ran into me while I was
stopped makeing a left turn. 100% his fault.