On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 19:26:39 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


Yeah...as long as you weren't a native of a country that already
had
a
perfectly fine spiritual tradition to begin with.

Example?



Don't be an asshole. You went to school. You're aware of examples.

I just want you to give me examples of what *you* consider to be
"perfectly fine spiritual traditions". Sacrificial virgins?
Cannibalism?
Polygamy?




Sorry, tooth-boy, but this discussion has apparently become one which,
like
many employment opportunities, assumes a certain level of education.
Better
luck next time.


No Doug. This discussion has become one which made an ass of Doug
Kanter.
You
and DSK are great at flinging **** by the buckets full, but when it
comes
down
to a fact or two, you're quick to start the personal attacks.

Perhaps the two of you can put your heads together and get the research
done
more quickly. Then, come back and rejoin the discussion. But, in fact,
research is not what's needed. NOYB is pretending not to know of cultures
which were nicely civilized, sans cannibalism, and were destroyed by
visits
from priests and other scourges.

But: Since it's such a nice day, I'm going to do two things at once - do
you
a favor, and also pull an ace out of my sleeve. Ask one of the kids you
know
where you might find the nearest library or bookstore. Find a book called
"A
Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies", by Bartolomé De Las
Casas.
It was written in 1552, and dedicated by the author to Prince Philip of
Spain.

Of course, NOYB will say that it's worthless because you can't trust
translators, especially those Hispanical ones. Oh well.


Bull****. You made one of your ridiculous assertions, he asked you to back
it
up, you make personal attack. Your MO is well known.

Oh....I'm sorry. John won't be our winner today, but we're sending him home
with a lifetime supply of Mrs Paul's fish sticks. Thanks for playing, John.
Our next contestant packages holiday candy at a sheltered workshop in
Pittsburgh. Let's see if maybe SHE can recognize a reliable historical
source when she sees one! Let's welcome Sally Jones....come on up, Sally!


G'day Doug.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

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On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:00:25 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

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I have no problem with them doing that. However, I can still
question
their judgement, not just for standing in line for so long to see a
dead body, but also in contributing their time, attention, spirits
and
money to an organization (the Catholic church)

I wouldn't do it.

which, as any educated person knows, has a reputation that's
dubious,
at best.

I'd clarify that to say "dubious, at worst". Then I might agree
with
you. The Catholic church has done far more good than bad in the
last
couple of centuries.

Yeah...as long as you weren't a native of a country that already had
a
perfectly fine spiritual tradition to begin with.

Example?



Don't be an asshole. You went to school. You're aware of examples.

I just want you to give me examples of what *you* consider to be
"perfectly fine spiritual traditions". Sacrificial virgins?
Cannibalism?
Polygamy?




Sorry, tooth-boy, but this discussion has apparently become one which,
like
many employment opportunities, assumes a certain level of education.
Better
luck next time.


No Doug. This discussion has become one which made an ass of Doug Kanter.
You
and DSK are great at flinging **** by the buckets full, but when it comes
down
to a fact or two, you're quick to start the personal attacks.

Perhaps the two of you can put your heads together and get the research
done more quickly. Then, come back and rejoin the discussion. But, in
fact, research is not what's needed. NOYB is pretending not to know of
cultures which were nicely civilized, sans cannibalism, and were destroyed
by visits from priests and other scourges.

But: Since it's such a nice day, I'm going to do two things at once - do
you a favor, and also pull an ace out of my sleeve. Ask one of the kids
you know where you might find the nearest library or bookstore. Find a
book called "A Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies", by
Bartolomé De Las Casas. It was written in 1552, and dedicated by the
author to Prince Philip of Spain.

Geez. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear when I said "the Catholic church
has done far more good than bad in the last couple of centuries". A couple
of centuries means the last 200 years. What terrible acts has the Catholic
church committed in the last 200 years...and how does that compare to the
amount of good that the church has done?

"Don White" wrote in message
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Me wrote:
NYOB,
So you are a Catholic, I knew there was a reason I didn't like you. ; )


I'd like to discuss NOYB's unholy desire to nuke millions of people with
his parish priest.

I do not desire to nuke my parish priest with those millions of people. Why
would you say such a thing?

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"Don White" wrote in message
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Me wrote:
NYOB,
So you are a Catholic, I knew there was a reason I didn't like you. ; )


I'd like to discuss NOYB's unholy desire to nuke millions of people with
his parish priest. I bet there would be lots of contrition to make then.
Hope he has a good set of rosary beads.

and some thick knee pads.

NOYB is not the only person who wanted to nuke Iraq. If you remember
Harry Krause wanted to nuke them into the stone age, so they would spend
all their time rebuilding their infrastructure instead of worrying about
the US.

That was before he saw which side of the issue the Democratic Party decided
to take. Then Harry promptly changed his mind to fall in line like a good
little jackass.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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Me wrote:
NYOB,
So you are a Catholic, I knew there was a reason I didn't like you. ; )


I'd like to discuss NOYB's unholy desire to nuke millions of people with
his parish priest.

I do not desire to nuke my parish priest with those millions of people.
Why would you say such a thing?


He didn't say nuking your parish priest........he said nuking thos millions
WITH your parish priest......so that begs the question......how radioactive
is your parish priest? ;-)

NYOB,

Religion is very similar to politics. Logic and reason are normally ignored
when discussing either. ; )

I sometimes question the benefit of the de-centralized Religions, such as
the Presbyterian Church I am affiliated with, or the centralized religions,
such as the Catholic Church. They both have their benefits and faults.

In my opinion, the two major mistakes the Catholic Church has made in the
last 100 yrs is: their handling of the Nazi's during and immediately after
WW II, and the illegal and uninformed manner in which they handled
pedophiles priest. Pope John Paul II apologized to the Jews in reference to
the Nazi's, and has instituted a system that is designed to quickly remove
and inform the police if a priest is accused of any illegal activity.

I don't know of any other leader in this century, (religious or otherwise)
whose legacy will be as positive and as long lasting as Pope JP II.

You and other Catholics should be proud of the Catholic Church
contribution's to society, both Catholics and non Catholics..


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On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:00:25 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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I have no problem with them doing that. However, I can still
question
their judgement, not just for standing in line for so long to see
a
dead body, but also in contributing their time, attention, spirits
and
money to an organization (the Catholic church)

I wouldn't do it.

which, as any educated person knows, has a reputation that's
dubious,
at best.

I'd clarify that to say "dubious, at worst". Then I might agree
with
you. The Catholic church has done far more good than bad in the
last
couple of centuries.

Yeah...as long as you weren't a native of a country that already
had a
perfectly fine spiritual tradition to begin with.

Example?



Don't be an asshole. You went to school. You're aware of examples.

I just want you to give me examples of what *you* consider to be
"perfectly fine spiritual traditions". Sacrificial virgins?
Cannibalism?
Polygamy?




Sorry, tooth-boy, but this discussion has apparently become one which,
like
many employment opportunities, assumes a certain level of education.
Better
luck next time.


No Doug. This discussion has become one which made an ass of Doug
Kanter. You
and DSK are great at flinging **** by the buckets full, but when it
comes down
to a fact or two, you're quick to start the personal attacks.

Perhaps the two of you can put your heads together and get the research
done more quickly. Then, come back and rejoin the discussion. But, in
fact, research is not what's needed. NOYB is pretending not to know of
cultures which were nicely civilized, sans cannibalism, and were
destroyed by visits from priests and other scourges.

But: Since it's such a nice day, I'm going to do two things at once - do
you a favor, and also pull an ace out of my sleeve. Ask one of the kids
you know where you might find the nearest library or bookstore. Find a
book called "A Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies", by
Bartolomé De Las Casas. It was written in 1552, and dedicated by the
author to Prince Philip of Spain.

Geez. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear when I said "the Catholic church
has done far more good than bad in the last couple of centuries". A
couple of centuries means the last 200 years. What terrible acts has the
Catholic church committed in the last 200 years...and how does that
compare to the amount of good that the church has done?

"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in message
...
Me wrote:
NYOB,
So you are a Catholic, I knew there was a reason I didn't like you.
; )


I'd like to discuss NOYB's unholy desire to nuke millions of people with
his parish priest.

I do not desire to nuke my parish priest with those millions of people.
Why would you say such a thing?


He didn't say nuking your parish priest........he said nuking thos
millions WITH your parish priest......so that begs the question......how
radioactive is your parish priest? ;-)

Yeah, how radioactive is he? Is he equivalent to a 10 Ton nuke?

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"John H" wrote in message
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On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:00:25 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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I have no problem with them doing that. However, I can still
question
their judgement, not just for standing in line for so long to see
a
dead body, but also in contributing their time, attention, spirits
and
money to an organization (the Catholic church)

I wouldn't do it.

which, as any educated person knows, has a reputation that's
dubious,
at best.

I'd clarify that to say "dubious, at worst". Then I might agree
with
you. The Catholic church has done far more good than bad in the
last
couple of centuries.

Yeah...as long as you weren't a native of a country that already
had a
perfectly fine spiritual tradition to begin with.

Example?



Don't be an asshole. You went to school. You're aware of examples.

I just want you to give me examples of what *you* consider to be
"perfectly fine spiritual traditions". Sacrificial virgins?
Cannibalism?
Polygamy?




Sorry, tooth-boy, but this discussion has apparently become one which,
like
many employment opportunities, assumes a certain level of education.
Better
luck next time.


No Doug. This discussion has become one which made an ass of Doug
Kanter. You
and DSK are great at flinging **** by the buckets full, but when it
comes down
to a fact or two, you're quick to start the personal attacks.

Perhaps the two of you can put your heads together and get the research
done more quickly. Then, come back and rejoin the discussion. But, in
fact, research is not what's needed. NOYB is pretending not to know of
cultures which were nicely civilized, sans cannibalism, and were
destroyed by visits from priests and other scourges.

But: Since it's such a nice day, I'm going to do two things at once - do
you a favor, and also pull an ace out of my sleeve. Ask one of the kids
you know where you might find the nearest library or bookstore. Find a
book called "A Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies", by
Bartolomé De Las Casas. It was written in 1552, and dedicated by the
author to Prince Philip of Spain.

Geez. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear when I said "the Catholic church
has done far more good than bad in the last couple of centuries". A
couple of centuries means the last 200 years. What terrible acts has the
Catholic church committed in the last 200 years...and how does that
compare to the amount of good that the church has done?



Well, let's see: The church still thinks it can meddle in family planning,
specifically contraception. Since quite a few economic and environmental
problems are the direct result of overpopulation, I'd say that qualifies as
an offense that continues right to this day. Let's see....what else.
Oh..yeah...they won't ordain gay priests*, even though the primary function
of the clergy is to interpret the meaning of life and morality, and gay
people are as likely to have valid, enlightening insights as anyone else.
There's another offense.

* At least not openly. snicker

Doug,

The Catholic Church does not meddle in my ability or any other non Catholics
to use birth control. I have never heard of them trying to interfere with
non Catholics using any method of contraception. If you are a Catholic, who
wants to use contraceptives you either ignore their rule, or you decide not
to be a Catholic.

I had not heard the Catholic Church had banned gay priests. I thought they
had insisted upon celibate priest, and no one every asked what kind of sex
they were giving up, but I could be wrong. ; ) I had heard they banned
pedophiles, which is a good thing. ; ) What makes you think they ask
priest their sexual preference before they let them into the "club"?

You seem to be grasping at straws. Your problem seems to focus on the fact
that you do not like "clubs" and you do not like the Catholic Church because
it is a big club with lots of rules.



"Doug Kanter" wrote in message news:dTi5e.742

Well, let's see: The church still thinks it can meddle in family planning,
specifically contraception. Since quite a few economic and environmental
problems are the direct result of overpopulation, I'd say that qualifies
as an offense that continues right to this day. Let's see....what else.
Oh..yeah...they won't ordain gay priests*, even though the primary
function of the clergy is to interpret the meaning of life and morality,
and gay people are as likely to have valid, enlightening insights as
anyone else. There's another offense.

* At least not openly. snicker

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On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:00:25 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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I have no problem with them doing that. However, I can still
question
their judgement, not just for standing in line for so long to see
a
dead body, but also in contributing their time, attention,
spirits and
money to an organization (the Catholic church)

I wouldn't do it.

which, as any educated person knows, has a reputation that's
dubious,
at best.

I'd clarify that to say "dubious, at worst". Then I might agree
with
you. The Catholic church has done far more good than bad in the
last
couple of centuries.

Yeah...as long as you weren't a native of a country that already
had a
perfectly fine spiritual tradition to begin with.

Example?



Don't be an asshole. You went to school. You're aware of examples.

I just want you to give me examples of what *you* consider to be
"perfectly fine spiritual traditions". Sacrificial virgins?
Cannibalism?
Polygamy?




Sorry, tooth-boy, but this discussion has apparently become one which,
like
many employment opportunities, assumes a certain level of education.
Better
luck next time.


No Doug. This discussion has become one which made an ass of Doug
Kanter. You
and DSK are great at flinging **** by the buckets full, but when it
comes down
to a fact or two, you're quick to start the personal attacks.

Perhaps the two of you can put your heads together and get the research
done more quickly. Then, come back and rejoin the discussion. But, in
fact, research is not what's needed. NOYB is pretending not to know of
cultures which were nicely civilized, sans cannibalism, and were
destroyed by visits from priests and other scourges.

But: Since it's such a nice day, I'm going to do two things at once - do
you a favor, and also pull an ace out of my sleeve. Ask one of the kids
you know where you might find the nearest library or bookstore. Find a
book called "A Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies", by
Bartolomé De Las Casas. It was written in 1552, and dedicated by the
author to Prince Philip of Spain.

Geez. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear when I said "the Catholic
church has done far more good than bad in the last couple of centuries".
A couple of centuries means the last 200 years. What terrible acts has
the Catholic church committed in the last 200 years...and how does that
compare to the amount of good that the church has done?



Well, let's see: The church still thinks it can meddle in family planning,
specifically contraception. Since quite a few economic and environmental
problems are the direct result of overpopulation, I'd say that qualifies
as an offense that continues right to this day. Let's see....what else.
Oh..yeah...they won't ordain gay priests*, even though the primary
function of the clergy is to interpret the meaning of life and morality,
and gay people are as likely to have valid, enlightening insights as
anyone else. There's another offense.

You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for dirt. Not a lot
there, eh Dougie? Where does opposing contraception and opposing gay
priests fall on the "Doug Kanter scale of evil-doings"? Is it as bad as,
say, beheading someone because they're not a Muslim? As bad as stoning a
woman to death because she had sex out of marriage? How about the
bloodletting and human sacrifice practiced by those "innocent" Aztecs that
were persecuted by those terrible Catholic Spaniards? Your boy Bartolome
didn't mention much about that in is book, did he?

Where did the hatred of your own race, country and culture stem from? You
probably cheered when the towers fell. On 9/11, that evil empire called
America finally took one on the chin, right Doug? We deserved it for all
the bad things our grandfather's grandfathers did in the past. Correct?