On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:05:22 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
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On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 08:12:43 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


"thunder" wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:20:50 -0400, JimH wrote:


With all due respect John, you are wrong. The Catholic Church never
condoned oral sex.

The sole purpose of sex according to the Church is procreation, with
birth
control during a woman's period.

I'm not sure that is totally accurate. Humanae Vitae requires that
sexual
intercourse be open to life, precluding contraception, but I don't
believe
it requires all sexual intercourse to be for procreation. It's about
giving one's all to a marriage, not giving everything but one's
fertility.
It is my understanding, oral stimulation, as foreplay, is perfectly
acceptable in a marriage.



You are perhaps correct. And I should have said that abstention from sex
prior to a woman's period is the Church's idea of birth control.


The Church condones the 'rhythm method' as an acceptable method of birth
control.

Do you know what they call Catholics who practice the rhythm method?
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For sure! The Church has hoped that science would develop better ways to
determine when a woman was infertile so the rhythm method would be more
successful. So far, I don't think much has been done in that regard.

The Church's attitude towards birth control, and the impact this attitude has on
third world countries (where over-population is the most severe, along with
disease) is one of the main reasons I've not been a 'practicing Catholic' for
many years. I attend (when I go) a Lutheran church now.
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John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:49:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message

The Church condones the 'rhythm method' as an acceptable method of birth
control.

Who gives a ****? Seriously....what sort of person orders his or her life
based on advice from a huge club made up of people who've sworn off marriage
& sex (except with young boys)?


Well Doug, a few billion Catholics, that's who. Now let me give the rest of your
post the attention it deserves.
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John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"John H" wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:49:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"John H" wrote in message

The Church condones the 'rhythm method' as an acceptable method of birth
control.

Who gives a ****? Seriously....what sort of person orders his or her life
based on advice from a huge club made up of people who've sworn off
marriage
& sex (except with young boys)?


Well Doug, a few billion Catholics, that's who. Now let me give the rest
of your
post the attention it deserves.

So, in other words, a few billion people take family planning advice from
men who've sworn off family life. I understand now. That's like going to a
podiatrist for heart problems.

Doug,
My guess is some Catholics, but I might be wrong. ; )




"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"John H" wrote in message
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On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 08:12:43 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


"thunder" wrote in message
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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:20:50 -0400, JimH wrote:


With all due respect John, you are wrong. The Catholic Church never
condoned oral sex.

The sole purpose of sex according to the Church is procreation, with
birth
control during a woman's period.

I'm not sure that is totally accurate. Humanae Vitae requires that
sexual
intercourse be open to life, precluding contraception, but I don't
believe
it requires all sexual intercourse to be for procreation. It's about
giving one's all to a marriage, not giving everything but one's
fertility.
It is my understanding, oral stimulation, as foreplay, is perfectly
acceptable in a marriage.



You are perhaps correct. And I should have said that abstention from sex
prior to a woman's period is the Church's idea of birth control.


The Church condones the 'rhythm method' as an acceptable method of birth
control.

Who gives a ****? Seriously....what sort of person orders his or her life
based on advice from a huge club made up of people who've sworn off
marriage & sex (except with young boys)?

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:51:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:49:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"John H" wrote in message

The Church condones the 'rhythm method' as an acceptable method of birth
control.

Who gives a ****? Seriously....what sort of person orders his or her life
based on advice from a huge club made up of people who've sworn off
marriage
& sex (except with young boys)?


Well Doug, a few billion Catholics, that's who. Now let me give the rest
of your
post the attention it deserves.

So, in other words, a few billion people take family planning advice from
men who've sworn off family life. I understand now. That's like going to a
podiatrist for heart problems.


PS. If you want to know who may give a ****, turn on CNN, NBC, CBS, etc. You'll
get the idea.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:51:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:49:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"John H" wrote in message

The Church condones the 'rhythm method' as an acceptable method of birth
control.

Who gives a ****? Seriously....what sort of person orders his or her life
based on advice from a huge club made up of people who've sworn off
marriage
& sex (except with young boys)?


Well Doug, a few billion Catholics, that's who. Now let me give the rest
of your
post the attention it deserves.

So, in other words, a few billion people take family planning advice from
men who've sworn off family life. I understand now. That's like going to a
podiatrist for heart problems.

Glad to see you're catching on.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"John H" wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:51:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:49:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"John H" wrote in message

The Church condones the 'rhythm method' as an acceptable method of
birth
control.

Who gives a ****? Seriously....what sort of person orders his or her
life
based on advice from a huge club made up of people who've sworn off
marriage
& sex (except with young boys)?


Well Doug, a few billion Catholics, that's who. Now let me give the rest
of your
post the attention it deserves.

So, in other words, a few billion people take family planning advice from
men who've sworn off family life. I understand now. That's like going to a
podiatrist for heart problems.

Glad to see you're catching on.

Uh oh. Now you're playing NOYB's game, but not as skillfully.

"John H" wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:51:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:49:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"John H" wrote in message

The Church condones the 'rhythm method' as an acceptable method of
birth
control.

Who gives a ****? Seriously....what sort of person orders his or her
life
based on advice from a huge club made up of people who've sworn off
marriage
& sex (except with young boys)?


Well Doug, a few billion Catholics, that's who. Now let me give the rest
of your
post the attention it deserves.

So, in other words, a few billion people take family planning advice from
men who've sworn off family life. I understand now. That's like going to a
podiatrist for heart problems.


PS. If you want to know who may give a ****, turn on CNN, NBC, CBS, etc.
You'll
get the idea.

Yes. A million people viewing a dead guy who's supposed to have his own red
phone to god. And, they're waiting about 24 hours to see the body. To that,
I offer what many mothers used to say: "Just because your friends do
something stupid doesn't mean YOU have to."

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"John H" wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:51:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:49:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"John H" wrote in message

The Church condones the 'rhythm method' as an acceptable method of
birth
control.

Who gives a ****? Seriously....what sort of person orders his or her
life
based on advice from a huge club made up of people who've sworn off
marriage
& sex (except with young boys)?


Well Doug, a few billion Catholics, that's who. Now let me give the
rest
of your
post the attention it deserves.

So, in other words, a few billion people take family planning advice from
men who've sworn off family life. I understand now. That's like going to
a
podiatrist for heart problems.


PS. If you want to know who may give a ****, turn on CNN, NBC, CBS, etc.
You'll
get the idea.

Yes. A million people viewing a dead guy who's supposed to have his own
red phone to god. And, they're waiting about 24 hours to see the body. To
that, I offer what many mothers used to say: "Just because your friends do
something stupid doesn't mean YOU have to."

You never attended a wake, Doug?

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"John H" wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:51:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:49:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"John H" wrote in message

The Church condones the 'rhythm method' as an acceptable method of
birth
control.

Who gives a ****? Seriously....what sort of person orders his or her
life
based on advice from a huge club made up of people who've sworn off
marriage
& sex (except with young boys)?


Well Doug, a few billion Catholics, that's who. Now let me give the
rest
of your
post the attention it deserves.

So, in other words, a few billion people take family planning advice
from
men who've sworn off family life. I understand now. That's like going to
a
podiatrist for heart problems.


PS. If you want to know who may give a ****, turn on CNN, NBC, CBS, etc.
You'll
get the idea.

Yes. A million people viewing a dead guy who's supposed to have his own
red phone to god. And, they're waiting about 24 hours to see the body. To
that, I offer what many mothers used to say: "Just because your friends
do something stupid doesn't mean YOU have to."

You never attended a wake, Doug?


Don't be a smartass. Nobody's wake merits a 24 hour wait. Nobody. Period.