John H wrote:

On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:16:31 -0500, "John Gaquin"
wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message

......Is that what you do, John? You
work for yourself?

Only for part of the year.

January through about early March, I work to pay for necessary and
worthwhile government functions; March through June I work to pay for
government waste, "entitlements" for whiners, education for non-citizen
illegal aliens, and a distinguished list of additional things to long to
list here; July and August (approximately) I work to pay for the socialized
medicine subsidies built into the med insurance premiums I pay for family
coverage; September through December I pretty much work for myself,
although my kids manage to grab a fair bit of it. :-)


You (and I) will have to plan on adding Sept and Oct to the "handout
list" if the dems get us socialized the way they'd like.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

What are you talking about, John? You draw a government pension. That's
about as socialized as it gets.

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Harry Krause wrote:

What are you talking about, John? You draw a government pension. That's
about as socialized as it gets.

A government pension is socialism? Your thought process is really
screwed up.

Is that what thinking in color does for you?

-- Charlie


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On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:31:38 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H wrote:

On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:16:31 -0500, "John Gaquin"
wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message

......Is that what you do, John? You
work for yourself?

Only for part of the year.

January through about early March, I work to pay for necessary and
worthwhile government functions; March through June I work to pay for
government waste, "entitlements" for whiners, education for non-citizen
illegal aliens, and a distinguished list of additional things to long to
list here; July and August (approximately) I work to pay for the socialized
medicine subsidies built into the med insurance premiums I pay for family
coverage; September through December I pretty much work for myself,
although my kids manage to grab a fair bit of it. :-)


You (and I) will have to plan on adding Sept and Oct to the "handout
list" if the dems get us socialized the way they'd like.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

What are you talking about, John? You draw a government pension. That's
about as socialized as it gets.

Except that I had to work for it. That's the big difference, Harry.
Now go back to sleep, you have nothing to contribute.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

John H wrote:

On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:31:38 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H wrote:

On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:16:31 -0500, "John Gaquin"
wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message

......Is that what you do, John? You
work for yourself?

Only for part of the year.

January through about early March, I work to pay for necessary and
worthwhile government functions; March through June I work to pay for
government waste, "entitlements" for whiners, education for non-citizen
illegal aliens, and a distinguished list of additional things to long to
list here; July and August (approximately) I work to pay for the socialized
medicine subsidies built into the med insurance premiums I pay for family
coverage; September through December I pretty much work for myself,
although my kids manage to grab a fair bit of it. :-)


You (and I) will have to plan on adding Sept and Oct to the "handout
list" if the dems get us socialized the way they'd like.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

What are you talking about, John? You draw a government pension. That's
about as socialized as it gets.

Except that I had to work for it. That's the big difference, Harry.
Now go back to sleep, you have nothing to contribute.

Work for it?



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On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 22:34:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H wrote:

On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 20:31:38 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H wrote:

On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:16:31 -0500, "John Gaquin"
wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message

......Is that what you do, John? You
work for yourself?

Only for part of the year.

January through about early March, I work to pay for necessary and
worthwhile government functions; March through June I work to pay for
government waste, "entitlements" for whiners, education for non-citizen
illegal aliens, and a distinguished list of additional things to long to
list here; July and August (approximately) I work to pay for the socialized
medicine subsidies built into the med insurance premiums I pay for family
coverage; September through December I pretty much work for myself,
although my kids manage to grab a fair bit of it. :-)


You (and I) will have to plan on adding Sept and Oct to the "handout
list" if the dems get us socialized the way they'd like.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

What are you talking about, John? You draw a government pension. That's
about as socialized as it gets.

Except that I had to work for it. That's the big difference, Harry.
Now go back to sleep, you have nothing to contribute.

Work for it?

Read much?

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"John H" wrote in message

Except that I had to work for it. That's the big difference,

In more ways than one. I recall when I was on active duty (about late 73),
the Pentagon was in process of revamping the retirement system. I knew I
was separating, so it was of little concern to me, but we all attended the
briefings nonetheless.

One figure (as of 1973) that stuck in my mind to this day is this: of all
thirty-year military retirees, only 3% live to age 60. That's a cost of
serving, too.

JG

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 13:54:34 -0500, John Gaquin wrote:

One figure (as of 1973) that stuck in my mind to this day is this: of all
thirty-year military retirees, only 3% live to age 60. That's a cost of
serving, too.

Damn, were any reasons given for the rate?

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

``The payrolls number was well below market expectations and confirms
the jobs market in the U.S. is weak,'' said Daniel Tenengauzer, vice
president for foreign exchange at Lehman Brothers

What a bunch of bull****. I did some reading on Tenengauzer. He's 35 years
old (almost the same age as me)...and Harry has already stated that that's
too young to have a meaningful opinon. Nevertheless, what I found out
about Tenengauzer is that he has a hard time separating his political bias
from his supposedly objective economic analysis.

Tenengauzer, who used to work for Goldman Sachs, was blasted by the Israeli
Ha'aretz back in May 2001 for this very thing. Another Israeli news outlet
had this to say:

"Israelis now know how to read Goldman Sachs' ratings: When Goldman Sachs
rates Israel high, it means Israel is under attack and/or *led by the left*.
When Goldman Sachs drops Israel's ratings or issues ex cathedra military
commentary by young economists (ie--Tenengauzer), it means Israel is
defending herself, or *led by the right*. "

Sound familiar?

Only a very biased (or stupid) individual can come to the conclusion that a
single-month net gain of 112,000 jobs is confirmation that the "jobs market
in the U.S. is weak". Putz.

"thunder" wrote in message

One figure (as of 1973) that stuck in my mind to this day is this: of
all
thirty-year military retirees, only 3% live to age 60. That's a cost of
serving, too.

Damn, were any reasons given for the rate?

No specific conclusions at the time, and I don't know if data supported a
later conclusion, or if the circumstances have changed. JohnH may have
access to some current info.

Speculation at the time centered around a combination of stress and aging,
and possible long term effects of earlier toxic exposures. Although the
subjects in question were not considered aged, they were what you'd call
"firmly middle aged" bg Typical 30-year retiree was aged about 50, give
or take. These folk would have entered service during or shortly after
WW-II, and may have been involved in testing or work environments in the
immediate post-war era and through the fifties that were not fully
understood at the time.

The interesting point was that at the same time (1973 or so), 20 year
retirees enjoyed substantially greater longevity, on average. I can't
recall the figure, but apparently it was that first ten years, including
WW-II, that really hurt. Although many speculated it was that last ten
years of putting up with the CS that was the killer!!

At any rate, it was a hell of a price to pay.