"NOYB" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter's "improved" list:

increased taxes for the rich
affirmative action for minorities
full marriage rights for gays
abortion on demand
filibuster judges who might overrule Roe v. Wade
*the environment*

That's a helluva platform to run on!



Gay people have absolutely no effect on you, no matter who they marry.

Frankly, I'm not sure about affirmative action. But, people who know these
things point out that there's a cycle for poor people that's hard to break.
Go also seem to be an expert, however, so I'm interested in your thoughts on
this subject that nobody else can seem to figure out.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter's "improved" list:

increased taxes for the rich
affirmative action for minorities
full marriage rights for gays
abortion on demand
filibuster judges who might overrule Roe v. Wade
*the environment*

That's a helluva platform to run on!



Gay people have absolutely no effect on you, no matter who they marry.

Frankly, I'm not sure about affirmative action. But, people who know
these
things point out that there's a cycle for poor people that's hard to
break.
Go also seem to be an expert, however, so I'm interested in your thoughts
on
this subject that nobody else can seem to figure out.

It's not about "being an expert". It's about applying commonsense. The
color of your skin shouldn't give you extra points in the admission process
when you're applying to a College...especially if that college is
taxpayer-funded.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter's "improved" list:

increased taxes for the rich
affirmative action for minorities
full marriage rights for gays
abortion on demand
filibuster judges who might overrule Roe v. Wade
*the environment*

That's a helluva platform to run on!



Gay people have absolutely no effect on you, no matter who they marry.

Frankly, I'm not sure about affirmative action. But, people who know
these
things point out that there's a cycle for poor people that's hard to
break.
Go also seem to be an expert, however, so I'm interested in your
thoughts
on
this subject that nobody else can seem to figure out.

It's not about "being an expert". It's about applying commonsense. The
color of your skin shouldn't give you extra points in the admission
process
when you're applying to a College...especially if that college is
taxpayer-funded.

In the real world, it's been established that the 3 most important factors
in getting good grades a

1) Competent teachers.
2) Being around peers who value education
3) The big winner: Parents who are educated and pass along their
expectations to their kids. Doesn't matter if the parents are together or
divorced, as long as they are a strong presence in the lives of their
children.

There's no reason to assume that some schools have bad teachers all across
the board, but it's a safe bet that if all your students are getting lousy
grades no matter how hard you try, and you're a good teacher, you're going
to go elsewhere. Nobody likes to work hard and get no results.

Inner city kids are at a disadvantage in parts 2 & 3. The only way to stop
the cycle is to "seed" the group with people who can function as role
models. How do you do that without giving some kids a little juice? Yeah,
affirmative action has problems, but what's YOUR solution to the truths I've
given you here? Bus those awful colored kids to your school? :-)

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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Doug Kanter's "improved" list:

increased taxes for the rich
affirmative action for minorities
full marriage rights for gays
abortion on demand
filibuster judges who might overrule Roe v. Wade
*the environment*

That's a helluva platform to run on!



Gay people have absolutely no effect on you, no matter who they
marry.

Frankly, I'm not sure about affirmative action. But, people who know
these
things point out that there's a cycle for poor people that's hard to
break.
Go also seem to be an expert, however, so I'm interested in your
thoughts
on
this subject that nobody else can seem to figure out.

It's not about "being an expert". It's about applying commonsense. The
color of your skin shouldn't give you extra points in the admission
process
when you're applying to a College...especially if that college is
taxpayer-funded.

In the real world, it's been established that the 3 most important factors
in getting good grades a

1) Competent teachers.
2) Being around peers who value education
3) The big winner: Parents who are educated and pass along their
expectations to their kids. Doesn't matter if the parents are together or
divorced, as long as they are a strong presence in the lives of their
children.

There's no reason to assume that some schools have bad teachers all across
the board, but it's a safe bet that if all your students are getting lousy
grades no matter how hard you try, and you're a good teacher, you're going
to go elsewhere. Nobody likes to work hard and get no results.

Inner city kids are at a disadvantage in parts 2 & 3. The only way to stop
the cycle is to "seed" the group with people who can function as role
models. How do you do that without giving some kids a little juice? Yeah,
affirmative action has problems, but what's YOUR solution to the truths
I've
given you here? Bus those awful colored kids to your school? :-)

That's already being done in Lee County, Florida. They call it "school
choice"...but it's really just an attempt to integrate the various
socioeconomic levels. My wife's friend lives across the street from a
school. However, her kids did not get their "first choice" in the "school
choice" program (the one across from their house)...nor did they get their
2nd, 3rd, or 4th choices. Instead, the kids were bussed to a school 15
miles away. They had 7 year old kids having to wait at 6-something in the
morning, in the dark, so they can get bussed 15 miles...right past a school
that they *should* be going to in the first place. Now, the mom and dad are
paying to send 'em to private school.

There's a theory in education today where it's believed that if you surround
a "bad" kid with enough "good" kids, the good kids' behavior will rub off on
the "bad" kid. Unfortunately, the school administrators ought to listen to
their great, great, great grandparents for ideas..."a bad apple spoils the
bunch".

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...
In the real world, it's been established that the 3 most important
factors
in getting good grades a

1) Competent teachers.
2) Being around peers who value education
3) The big winner: Parents who are educated and pass along their
expectations to their kids. Doesn't matter if the parents are together
or
divorced, as long as they are a strong presence in the lives of their
children.

There's no reason to assume that some schools have bad teachers all
across
the board, but it's a safe bet that if all your students are getting
lousy
grades no matter how hard you try, and you're a good teacher, you're
going
to go elsewhere. Nobody likes to work hard and get no results.

Inner city kids are at a disadvantage in parts 2 & 3. The only way to
stop
the cycle is to "seed" the group with people who can function as role
models. How do you do that without giving some kids a little juice?
Yeah,
affirmative action has problems, but what's YOUR solution to the truths
I've
given you here? Bus those awful colored kids to your school? :-)

That's already being done in Lee County, Florida. They call it "school
choice"...but it's really just an attempt to integrate the various
socioeconomic levels. My wife's friend lives across the street from a
school. However, her kids did not get their "first choice" in the "school
choice" program (the one across from their house)...nor did they get their
2nd, 3rd, or 4th choices. Instead, the kids were bussed to a school 15
miles away. They had 7 year old kids having to wait at 6-something in the
morning, in the dark, so they can get bussed 15 miles...right past a
school
that they *should* be going to in the first place. Now, the mom and dad
are
paying to send 'em to private school.

There's a theory in education today where it's believed that if you
surround
a "bad" kid with enough "good" kids, the good kids' behavior will rub off
on
the "bad" kid. Unfortunately, the school administrators ought to listen
to
their great, great, great grandparents for ideas..."a bad apple spoils the
bunch".

How odd. A few weeks ago, my son had 5 friends over to watch a movie. When
it was over, I asked them why they all got good grades. They said the main
reason was that they all helped each other when they didn't understand
something. They acknowledged that parents' expectations were important, but
also said that because we're all really old, our knowledge wasn't as
important as just wanting to do well.

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:20:38 +0000, NOYB wrote:


It's not about "being an expert". It's about applying commonsense. The
color of your skin shouldn't give you extra points in the admission process
when you're applying to a College...especially if that college is
taxpayer-funded.

Where were you when the color of your skin kept you out of that college?
It wasn't that long ago. Civil rights have come a long way recently, and
Affirmative Action was just one of the tools used. Perhaps it's
usefulness is now declining, but it was a *small* price to pay to right a
*grievous* wrong.

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:20:38 +0000, NOYB wrote:


It's not about "being an expert". It's about applying commonsense. The
color of your skin shouldn't give you extra points in the admission
process
when you're applying to a College...especially if that college is
taxpayer-funded.

Where were you when the color of your skin kept you out of that college?


The college I am referring to is Michigan. I dunno that the color of ones
skin *ever* kept people out of that college.

It wasn't that long ago. Civil rights have come a long way recently, and
Affirmative Action was just one of the tools used. Perhaps it's
usefulness is now declining,

I agree...much like unions.


but it was a *small* price to pay to right a
*grievous* wrong.

So you punish some innocent white kid because some ignorant, fat white guy
oppressed a bunch of black people 45 years ago?

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:28:24 +0000, NOYB wrote:


So you punish some innocent white kid because some ignorant, fat white guy
oppressed a bunch of black people 45 years ago?

Let's see, Affirmative Action has been around maybe 20-30 years,
oppression of blacks has been around maybe several hundred years. I would
also point out, that a handful of whites not getting into the college of
their choice, doesn't compare with black oppression. So, on a scale, I'm
relatively unconcerned. Again, affirmative action was a tool that,
perhaps, has outlived it's usefulness.

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:28:24 +0000, NOYB wrote:


So you punish some innocent white kid because some ignorant, fat white
guy
oppressed a bunch of black people 45 years ago?

Let's see, Affirmative Action has been around maybe 20-30 years,
oppression of blacks has been around maybe several hundred years.

Don't you mean "oppression of blacks *HAD BEEN* around for several hundred
years"? You don't buy into the crap that they're still oppressed, do you?

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"thunder" wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:28:24 +0000, NOYB wrote:


So you punish some innocent white kid because some ignorant, fat white
guy
oppressed a bunch of black people 45 years ago?

Let's see, Affirmative Action has been around maybe 20-30 years,
oppression of blacks has been around maybe several hundred years.

Don't you mean "oppression of blacks *HAD BEEN* around for several hundred
years"? You don't buy into the crap that they're still oppressed, do you?

A quote from my neighbor, who is NOT unusual: "Hey...I got nothin' against
them, but I'm not too wild about them buyin' houses on this street. And
didja see some of them at the school concert last week? Some of 'em look
like animals, not people".

This is Rochester, NY.