NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:

"NOYB" wrote in message
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As hard as it might be to believe that there's a senator with a
more
anti-small business agenda than Kerry, Kennedy is even worse. He
voted
against NFIB-supported legislation 92% of the time in the 106th
Congress,
and 75% of the time in the 107th.

Any idea why he voted against such legislation? Or are you just
quoting
stuff you found on the web, without knowing the background?

I get an NFIB newsletter that discusses the Congressional issues that
affect
small businesses. In that newsletter is a synopsis about each issue,
and
a
member survey that asks you to vote your opinion on each issue. The
results
from all of the small business surveys that are returned are tabulated,
and
NFIB lobbies Congress for legislation that would most help small
business.
The NFIB then posts a follow-up newsletter that reports how each member
of
Congress voted on each issue. Kerry and Kennedy voted *AGAINST* the
NFIB
positions more than 3/4's of the time...placing them near the top of
the
list of anti-small business members of Congress.



Be like a good journalist. A good news article always begins with a
paragraph which nicely summarizes the rest of the story so the reader
can
decide whether he wants to continue. What sorts of things did he vote
against?




NFIB is little more than a Bush kiss-ass group. If you poke around the
site a little, you'll find dozens of references to Saint Dubya the Dumb,
and how wonderful his is.

Bush has been very much pro-small business. Of course they think favorably
of him. However, you need to get your facts straight. NFIB was founded
before Bush was even born.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?V32012157



I made no direct reference to when your Little Business group was
formed, not did I make an oblique reference. Is this an example of how
you righties start your misinformaiton campaigns.

My comment stands. Your Little Business group is full of glowing
references to Saint Dubya the Dumb. Naturally, it would have an opposite
opinion of the Democratic front-runner.


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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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My comment stands. Your Little Business group is full of glowing
references to Saint Dubya the Dumb. Naturally, it would have an opposite
opinion of the Democratic front-runner.

No, not naturally. You're making stupid-ass assumptions again...without
checking the facts. NFIB asks its 600,000 members to vote on what issues
are most important to small businesses. It then takes the results of those
surveys and lobbies Congress to pass legislation that would help small
business. Each member of Congress then votes on the issues...and NFIB keeps
track of who votes for what.

There are plenty of Democrats with positive (50% or better)
ratings...meaning they agree with NFIB.

Dianne Feinstein scored a 50%
Zell Miller score a 75%
John Breaux scored a 63%
Mary Landrieu scored a 75%
Max Baucus scored a 75%
Ben Nelson scored a 63%
Tim Johnson scored a 50%
James Jeffords (I) scored a 63% (scored an 83% in the 106th Congress before
he left the Republican party)

NFIB's "glowing references" are only given when a government official
acts/votes in a way that supports small business...and that simply doesn't
describe the vast majority of democrats.

What this usually means is that the small business wants gov't handouts or a
reduced tax rate.
Pay your fair share...the unionized working class sure are.


NOYB wrote in message
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NFIB's "glowing references" are only given when a government official
acts/votes in a way that supports small business...and that simply doesn't
describe the vast majority of democrats.

"Don White" wrote in message
...
What this usually means is that the small business wants gov't handouts or
a
reduced tax rate.
Pay your fair share...the unionized working class sure are.

Why must you always be such a dim bulb? The "unionized working class" would
not have jobs if not for small businesses. Here's some stats for you:

Small firms (less than 500 employees)


a.. Represent more than 99.7 percent of all employers.
a.. Employ more than half of all private sector employees
a.. Pay 44.5 percent of total U.S. private payroll.
a.. Generate 60 to 80 percent of net new jobs annually.
a.. Create more than 50 percent of nonfarm private gross domestic product
(GDP).
a.. Supplied 22.8 percent of the total value of federal prime contracts
(about $50 billion) in FY 2001.
a.. Produce 13 to 14 times more patents per employee than large patenting
firms. These patents are twice as likely as large firm patents to be among
the one percent most cited.
a.. Are employers of 39 percent of high tech workers (such as scientists,
engineers, and computer workers ) .
a.. Are 53 percent home-based and 3 percent franchises.
a.. Made up 97 percent of all identified exporters and produced 29 percent
of the known export value in FY 2001.

http://www.sba.gov/advo/stats/sbfaq.html

NOYB wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...
What this usually means is that the small business wants gov't handouts or
a
reduced tax rate.
Pay your fair share...the unionized working class sure are.

Why must you always be such a dim bulb? The "unionized working class" would
not have jobs if not for small businesses. Here's some stats for you:


Actually, you have it backwards. If it weren't for workers, there
wouldn't be any small businesses, or large businesses, for that matter.
You can have a society in which every man or woman is his or her own
producer (a farmer, a sawyer, a cobbler, et cetera, who trades with
others for sustenance, and without anything but the smallest family
businesses, but you cannot have most small or any medium or large
businesses without workers. We had such a business-less society when
this country was first settled.

Capital is subservient to labor.


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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...
What this usually means is that the small business wants gov't handouts
or
a
reduced tax rate.
Pay your fair share...the unionized working class sure are.

Why must you always be such a dim bulb? The "unionized working class"
would
not have jobs if not for small businesses. Here's some stats for you:


Actually, you have it backwards. If it weren't for workers, there
wouldn't be any small businesses, or large businesses, for that matter.

I knew you'd make this point...and I really can't argue against it, except
for the exceptions you made below. However, I'd add one caveat to your
statement: businesses *can* operate without *unionized* working class.

You can have a society in which every man or woman is his or her own
producer (a farmer, a sawyer, a cobbler, et cetera, who trades with
others for sustenance, and without anything but the smallest family
businesses, but you cannot have most small or any medium or large
businesses without workers.

Agreed.

We had such a business-less society when
this country was first settled.

So it can work...but we'd be living in the dark ages.


Capital is subservient to labor.

And vice-versa.

Yada...yada..
Same line we hear in this area..
Small business provide all the jobs so gov't should reduce/kill taxes...give
incentives to attract.. help to train employees,
give grants on and on..all at working taxoayer exoense...
After all those workers are 'lucky to have a job'...don't ya know?

NOYB wrote in message
hlink.net...

snip
Why must you always be such a dim bulb? The "unionized working class"
would
not have jobs if not for small businesses. Here's some stats for you:

Small firms (less than 500 employees)


snip

NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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My comment stands. Your Little Business group is full of glowing
references to Saint Dubya the Dumb. Naturally, it would have an opposite
opinion of the Democratic front-runner.

No, not naturally. You're making stupid-ass assumptions again...without
checking the facts. NFIB asks its 600,000 members to vote on what issues
are most important to small businesses. It then takes the results of those
surveys and lobbies Congress to pass legislation that would help small
business. Each member of Congress then votes on the issues...and NFIB keeps
track of who votes for what.

There are plenty of Democrats with positive (50% or better)
ratings...meaning they agree with NFIB.

Dianne Feinstein scored a 50%
Zell Miller score a 75%
John Breaux scored a 63%
Mary Landrieu scored a 75%
Max Baucus scored a 75%
Ben Nelson scored a 63%
Tim Johnson scored a 50%
James Jeffords (I) scored a 63% (scored an 83% in the 106th Congress before
he left the Republican party)

NFIB's "glowing references" are only given when a government official
acts/votes in a way that supports small business...and that simply doesn't
describe the vast majority of democrats.


It doesn't mean "they" agreed with your group. It means your group
agreed with their positions.

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NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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My comment stands. Your Little Business group is full of glowing
references to Saint Dubya the Dumb. Naturally, it would have an
opposite
opinion of the Democratic front-runner.

No, not naturally. You're making stupid-ass assumptions again...without
checking the facts. NFIB asks its 600,000 members to vote on what
issues
are most important to small businesses. It then takes the results of
those
surveys and lobbies Congress to pass legislation that would help small
business. Each member of Congress then votes on the issues...and NFIB
keeps
track of who votes for what.

There are plenty of Democrats with positive (50% or better)
ratings...meaning they agree with NFIB.

Dianne Feinstein scored a 50%
Zell Miller score a 75%
John Breaux scored a 63%
Mary Landrieu scored a 75%
Max Baucus scored a 75%
Ben Nelson scored a 63%
Tim Johnson scored a 50%
James Jeffords (I) scored a 63% (scored an 83% in the 106th Congress
before
he left the Republican party)

NFIB's "glowing references" are only given when a government official
acts/votes in a way that supports small business...and that simply
doesn't
describe the vast majority of democrats.


It doesn't mean "they" agreed with your group. It means your group
agreed with their positions.

No, actually you're wrong. Lobbying groups have a pretty strong effect on
what gets passed in Congress. Fortune rated NFIB the nation's most powerful
business lobbying group...and the third most powerful lobbying group
overall...second only to the NRA, and AARP, respectively.

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/power25

The Top 15:
1) NRA
2) AARP
3) NFIB
4) American Israel Public Affairs Committee
5) Assoc. of Trial Lawyers of America
6) AFL-CIO
7) Chamber of Commerce of the USA
8) National Beer Wholesalers Association
9) Nat'l Assn. of Realtors
10)National Assn. of Manufacturers
11)National Assn. of Home Builders of the US
12)American Medical Association
13)American Hospital Association (formerly ranked 31st)
14)NEA
15)American Farm Bureau Federation

NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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My comment stands. Your Little Business group is full of glowing
references to Saint Dubya the Dumb. Naturally, it would have an
opposite
opinion of the Democratic front-runner.

No, not naturally. You're making stupid-ass assumptions again...without
checking the facts. NFIB asks its 600,000 members to vote on what
issues
are most important to small businesses. It then takes the results of
those
surveys and lobbies Congress to pass legislation that would help small
business. Each member of Congress then votes on the issues...and NFIB
keeps
track of who votes for what.

There are plenty of Democrats with positive (50% or better)
ratings...meaning they agree with NFIB.

Dianne Feinstein scored a 50%
Zell Miller score a 75%
John Breaux scored a 63%
Mary Landrieu scored a 75%
Max Baucus scored a 75%
Ben Nelson scored a 63%
Tim Johnson scored a 50%
James Jeffords (I) scored a 63% (scored an 83% in the 106th Congress
before
he left the Republican party)

NFIB's "glowing references" are only given when a government official
acts/votes in a way that supports small business...and that simply
doesn't
describe the vast majority of democrats.


It doesn't mean "they" agreed with your group. It means your group
agreed with their positions.

No, actually you're wrong. Lobbying groups have a pretty strong effect on
what gets passed in Congress. Fortune rated NFIB the nation's most powerful
business lobbying group...and the third most powerful lobbying group
overall...second only to the NRA, and AARP, respectively.

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/power25

The Top 15:
1) NRA
2) AARP
3) NFIB
4) American Israel Public Affairs Committee
5) Assoc. of Trial Lawyers of America
6) AFL-CIO
7) Chamber of Commerce of the USA
8) National Beer Wholesalers Association
9) Nat'l Assn. of Realtors
10)National Assn. of Manufacturers
11)National Assn. of Home Builders of the US
12)American Medical Association
13)American Hospital Association (formerly ranked 31st)
14)NEA
15)American Farm Bureau Federation


I've seen Fortune's lists, and I've seen others. I've never even
encountered anyone else who has mentioned your group of Small
Businessmen, probably because your interests and mine don't cover much
of the same ground, legislatively. The NRA, for example, doesn't factor
into much of what interests me on the Hill. The Pharmaceutical Research
and Manufacturers Association does. The AARP certainly whored itself
recently for the drug manufacturers.

Ahh...the beer wholesalers. Now thete's a group worth knowing.
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