"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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From ABC NEws:

China passes Taiwan anti-secession law

China's parliament has unanimously passed a law giving the Chinese
military the legal basis to attack Taiwan if it moves towards
independence.


You won't see or hear much from the Bush neoconvicts on this; if you've
got the ability to fight back, the good ol' USA will give you a pass.

What do you want him to say? IF he threatens China you will call him a
warmongering idiot, if he doesn't he's what, smart? No you'd never say that
would you Harry?

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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The PRC is a far bigger threat to the existence of the United States
than Iraq, Iran, and Syria combined. But Bush isn't going to threaten
the PRC with a sword, because the Chinese would laugh at us.


The US could easily flatten China, but you'd be back to that old MAD
scenario. So unless George W can promise a quick trip to heaven and a dozen
or so virgins per man..... it a no win situation.

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...

From ABC NEws:

China passes Taiwan anti-secession law

China's parliament has unanimously passed a law giving the Chinese
military the legal basis to attack Taiwan if it moves towards
independence.

The National People's Congress passed the legislation by an overwhelming
majority of 2,896 votes for and none against. Two delegates abstained.

The text of the draft, according to the Xinhua news agency, calls for the
use of "non-peaceful means and other necessary measures to protect China's
sovereignty and territorial integrity", if all else fails.

This will be necessary "in the event that the 'Taiwan independence'
secessionist forces should act under any name or by any means to cause the
fact of Taiwan's secession from China", the draft law said.

It does not specify what is meant by "non-peaceful means" but analysts
believe it would cover anything from blockade to surgical missile strikes
and all-out invasion.

The law takes effect immediately.

On his appointment as China's top military chief, President Hu Jintao told
the army to prepare for war to safeguard the country's territorial
integrity, in an apparent reference to Taiwan.


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You won't see or hear much from the Bush neoconvicts on this; if you've
got the ability to fight back, the good ol' USA will give you a pass.

That'd be a little too much on our plate right now. Let the Middle East
situation continue to come into shape. Once there are stable pro-US
governments in the oil-producing countries, the World will have a have a
more potent economic weapon to use against the Chinese.

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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Jeff Rigby wrote:
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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From ABC NEws:

China passes Taiwan anti-secession law

China's parliament has unanimously passed a law giving the Chinese
military the legal basis to attack Taiwan if it moves towards

independence.


You won't see or hear much from the Bush neoconvicts on this; if you've
got the ability to fight back, the good ol' USA will give you a pass.


What do you want him to say? IF he threatens China you will call him a
warmongering idiot, if he doesn't he's what, smart? No you'd never say
that
would you Harry?




The point here is that the U.S. never pushes around a country that can
push back.

At least not until a few more pieces fall into place in the Middle East.
There's a reason why we waited until lately to push Syria and Iran...and
another reason why we'll slowly tighten the vice on Pakistan once the Syrian
and Iranian threats are subdued.


When we are war-mongering, we only send out troops against third or
fourth-rate military powers, and then we brag about how wonderful they are
and how terrific we are. Iraq twice, Panama, Grenada, and those weak little
governments in central and South America we mess about with when they move
away from right-wing extremism. Chile had to be one our of high points.


The PRC is a far bigger threat to the existence of the United States than
Iraq, Iran, and Syria combined. But Bush isn't going to threaten the PRC
with a sword, because the Chinese would laugh at us.

We'd beat the Chinese if we had to. But each side would lose 10's of
millions in the process. The risk/reward ratio is much too high...at least
for now.

"Don White" wrote in message
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"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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The PRC is a far bigger threat to the existence of the United States
than Iraq, Iran, and Syria combined. But Bush isn't going to threaten
the PRC with a sword, because the Chinese would laugh at us.


The US could easily flatten China, but you'd be back to that old MAD
scenario. So unless George W can promise a quick trip to heaven and a
dozen
or so virgins per man..... it a no win situation.

SDI is our ace in the hole...and we're getting closer to perfecting it. You
are correct that the old MAD scenario will rear its ugly head again...this
time, with China. But if China is convinced that any ICBMs launched at the
US would be intercepted before they made landfall, they'd be a lot more
receptive to the threat of any military pressure from the US.

Bush needs China's contribution to any solution to the N. Korean problem.
Maybe.

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Don White" wrote in message
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"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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The PRC is a far bigger threat to the existence of the United States
than Iraq, Iran, and Syria combined. But Bush isn't going to threaten
the PRC with a sword, because the Chinese would laugh at us.


The US could easily flatten China, but you'd be back to that old MAD
scenario. So unless George W can promise a quick trip to heaven and a
dozen
or so virgins per man..... it a no win situation.

SDI is our ace in the hole...and we're getting closer to perfecting it.
You are correct that the old MAD scenario will rear its ugly head
again...this time, with China. But if China is convinced that any ICBMs
launched at the US would be intercepted before they made landfall, they'd
be a lot more receptive to the threat of any military pressure from the
US.

Closer to perfecting? If you leave Boston, driving to Texas, and your car
dies and ends your trip just north of Hartford CT, yes, you are closer than
when you left Boston, but not enough to user the word "closer" with any
sense of celebration.

To relate this to the SDI idea, the news indicates that there have been some
pretty basic (and potentially embarrassing) problems. Never pin your hopes
on technology which is a last resort. Instead, you should be wondering why
China is so hot to have Taiwan back, and whether it's any of our damned
business.

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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From ABC NEws:

China passes Taiwan anti-secession law

China's parliament has unanimously passed a law giving the Chinese
military the legal basis to attack Taiwan if it moves towards
independence.

The National People's Congress passed the legislation by an overwhelming
majority of 2,896 votes for and none against. Two delegates abstained.

The text of the draft, according to the Xinhua news agency, calls for the
use of "non-peaceful means and other necessary measures to protect
China's sovereignty and territorial integrity", if all else fails.

This will be necessary "in the event that the 'Taiwan independence'
secessionist forces should act under any name or by any means to cause
the fact of Taiwan's secession from China", the draft law said.

It does not specify what is meant by "non-peaceful means" but analysts
believe it would cover anything from blockade to surgical missile strikes
and all-out invasion.

The law takes effect immediately.

On his appointment as China's top military chief, President Hu Jintao
told the army to prepare for war to safeguard the country's territorial
integrity, in an apparent reference to Taiwan.


- - -

You won't see or hear much from the Bush neoconvicts on this; if you've
got the ability to fight back, the good ol' USA will give you a pass.


That'd be a little too much on our plate right now. Let the Middle East
situation continue to come into shape. Once there are stable pro-US
governments in the oil-producing countries, the World will have a have a
more potent economic weapon to use against the Chinese.


Apples and oranges. I stated Bush wouldn't have the balls to play military
footsie with the PRC. We only take on ****ant military powers militarily.


NPR news reported last week that China is years away from being able to
coordinate its various forces in the way we can now, and that this keeps
them from being as big a threat some would like to believe.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Don White" wrote in message
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"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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The PRC is a far bigger threat to the existence of the United States
than Iraq, Iran, and Syria combined. But Bush isn't going to threaten
the PRC with a sword, because the Chinese would laugh at us.


The US could easily flatten China, but you'd be back to that old MAD
scenario. So unless George W can promise a quick trip to heaven and a
dozen
or so virgins per man..... it a no win situation.

SDI is our ace in the hole...and we're getting closer to perfecting it.
You are correct that the old MAD scenario will rear its ugly head
again...this time, with China. But if China is convinced that any ICBMs
launched at the US would be intercepted before they made landfall, they'd
be a lot more receptive to the threat of any military pressure from the
US.

Closer to perfecting? If you leave Boston, driving to Texas, and your car
dies and ends your trip just north of Hartford CT, yes, you are closer
than when you left Boston, but not enough to user the word "closer" with
any sense of celebration.

That's not an apt analogy. A better one would be:
You make a trip to Texas 8 different times. Two of those times, your car
dies somewhere in the midwest...and once, it once wouldn't start in the
driveway. The other 5 trips went just as planned. The missile defense tests
have hit their mark 5 out of 8 times. I'd say we're "closer to perfecting"
the system. I would estimate that before the end of Bush's second term,
we'll have at least some semblance of a working system in place.

What's happening now is nothing new. Didn't you follow the space program
before we successfully landed on the moon? Would you argue that with each
test...some successful, and some not...that we weren't any "closer to
perfecting" our ability to reach the moon?

NOYB wrote:
SDI is our ace in the hole...and we're getting closer to perfecting it.

No we aren't. The contractors are making a smoke-and-mirrors show. The
Pentagon declared the last round of tests to be a failure.


... You
are correct that the old MAD scenario will rear its ugly head again...this
time, with China. But if China is convinced that any ICBMs launched at the
US would be intercepted before they made landfall, they'd be a lot more
receptive to the threat of any military pressure from the US.


What a laugh. China could trash the US economy with the stroke of a pen.
President Bush wouold be incredibly stupid to threaten them... and
while he may or may not be that stupid... I'd prefer to not find out...
somebody in his cabinet does have better sense and makes sure he doesn't
make the Chinese angry. Look what happened when they held that spy plane
and it's crew...

DSK