"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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What employers really want in many cases by hiring immigrants is to hold
down wage costs, experts say.


I'm convinced that's the exact reason for high immigration in this country.
When supply of workers outstrips demand, wages are held low. It's
especially idiotic here. A very large percentage of young Nova Scotians
leave the province for more prosperous areas in Canada because employment
prospects are bleak. The provincial gov't is running around like Chicken
Little, stating we need an influx of immigrants so we can keep our standard
of living. It's all a numbers game, as a lot of federal funding is
calculated on population. Our percentage of the countries citizens
continues to drop...so hand out revenues drop.
Trouble is...we have few jobs to offer the new arrivals. We really need
people who will come in and set up manufacturing...employing locals and new
arrivals.

Damb it Harry, take your propaganda to an appropriate group!
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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from the March 10, 2005 edition -
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0310/p17s01-cogn.html

Why the new jobs go to immigrants
By David R. Francis

Wall Street cheered and stock prices rose when the US Labor Department
announced last Friday that employers had expanded their payrolls by
262,000 positions in February.

But it wasn't entirely good news. The statisticians also indicated that
the share of the adult population holding jobs had slipped slightly from
January to 62.3 percent. That's now two full percentage points below the
level in the brief recession that began in March 2001.

Why the apparent contradiction? Reasons abound: population growth, rising
retirements. But one factor that gets little attention is immigration.

In the past four years, the number of immigrants into the US, legal and
illegal, has closely matched the number of new jobs. That suggests
newcomers have, in effect, snapped up all of the new jobs.

"There has been no net job gain for natives," says Andrew Sum, an
economist at Northeastern University.

Something similar has happened in Western Europe. Each year, about 500,000
to 800,000 illegal immigrants enter the 15 member nations of the European
Union (not including the 10 new members as of last May), estimates
Demetrios Papademetriou, president of the Migration Policy Institute in
Washington. While it's more difficult for immigrants to get into Europe
legally, once in they have more social and labor rights and protections
than legal immigrants in the US do, says Mr. Papademetriou. And in Europe,
illegal immigrants have a relatively bigger underground economy in which
to find work.

If anything, the job outlook for native Europeans is bleaker than for
Americans. Unemployment remains high in most of Europe. It hit 12.6
percent in Germany last month, the highest since World War II.

So with people from poor nations striving to get in and natives often
losing out in the competition for many new jobs, the US and EU might be
expected to have coherent immigration policies. Instead, chaos reigns.

Concerned with extremely low birthrates in Western Europe, the European
Commission has suggested common policies to attract immigrants to fill
longer-term needs for labor. Instead, national policies vary enormously.

In Italy, Spain, Portugal, and Greece, for instance, illegal immigrants
flood across the borders, despite efforts to stop them, and then once
inside are frequently legalized by government edicts.

"There is no rhyme nor reason to much of this," says Mr. Papademetriou.

In the US, President Bush calls for giving millions of illegal immigrants
a kind of guest-worker status as a legal path to US citizenship. So far,
no specific legislation to implement his suggestion has been put before
Congress.

Meanwhile, US border patrols spend millions of dollars a year trying to
keep illegals out. And yet, they keep coming, evidently little discouraged
by recession or the 9/11 attacks. In the past four years alone, the number
of immigrants ran some 2.5 million to 3 million, of which about half were
illegal.

They come for jobs, of course. And the Bush administration makes barely
any effort to enforce current law. In 2003, a total of 13 employers were
fined for hiring undocumented employees.

In fact, neither Republicans nor Democrats have promoted enforcement of
immigration law prohibiting the hiring of illegal immigrants, says Mr.
Sum, head of Northeastern's Center for Labor Market Studies.

Of course, not every job filled by an immigrant is taken away from a
native American, a native German, a French citizen, or other national.

Most immigrants take jobs at the bottom of the ladder, jobs which many
natives won't seek because they are considered too hard, pay too little,
or have lost status, Papademetriou notes.

And the people they do displace often have little political clout. Sum
sees immigrants as one factor behind today's historical low employment
rate among US teenagers. Barely more than a third hold jobs. Over the past
four years, the number of employed teens has declined by nearly 1.3
million.

Teens used to take many of the entry level jobs offered by restaurants,
retail stores, landscaping companies, factories, and other businesses. Now
more teens are going to college, and many may not want or need to work.
But a new study by Sum and his colleagues at Northeastern finds that 2.5
million teens last year were unemployed, underemployed, or had stopped
looking for work in the past month. They faced severe competition for jobs
from young adults, older women, and immigrants - most of whom are young.

That lack of employment has social implications. The study notes that
youths who work more during their high school years have an easier time
transitioning to the labor market upon high school graduation, especially
those not going on to college. Jobless teenage women are more likely to
get pregnant, and economically disadvantaged boys and girls are more
likely to drop out of school if jobless.

In occupational fields with many immigrants, native-born workers tend to
have higher jobless rates. The four occupations with the largest number of
newly arrived immigrants (1.4 million in construction, food preparation,
cleaning and maintenance, and production workers) employ 21.4 million
natives, and have more than 2 million unemployed natives.

What employers really want in many cases by hiring immigrants is to hold
down wage costs, experts say.

" Tuuk" wrote in message
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lol,,, you fool of a puppet,,,,
Ya,, attract some investors,, to spend their money on building factories,,
set themselves up so they can fail,,, lol,,, where did you go to school
there white,,, coconut college??? lol,,,,
No wonder you are krause's number 1 puppet,,,,
lol,,, think about what you said there white before you fling some mud
back
,,, lol,,,, you should have thought in the first place,,,



At the very least we could be selective about who we let
in......................!

" Tuuk" wrote in message
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Your statement tells me at first glance there white three things,,,,

**I see you are back to taking your stupid pills again......

1- you agree that you are krause's puppet,,,

**Wrong dipstick...I agreed to nothing!

2- you are a racists,,,, well that was obvious,,, so what do you want to
let in the dumbest?? who cannot work?? And just raise taxes to pay for
it???
You from Canada???

**What a moron...didn't I just say we need immigrants that will bring
something to the table...that is.. investment in businesses/plants etc to
create jobs.....
...and the way you have badmouthed French/German/Western peoples...I wouldn't
go around calling anyone else racist.

3- you are a liar because you claimed earlier that you killfiled me....
yup,,, you qualify for a krause puppet,,, which confirms number 1,,, at
second glance,,,,

**My my...do you ever tire of your own stupidity.
I have never stated that I killfiled you. In fact, I haven't killfiled one
single poster since I joined this newsgroup. I just try to ignore them...or
set them straight as may be required.

"Don White" wrote in message
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" Tuuk" wrote in message
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Your statement tells me at first glance there white three things,,,,

**I see you are back to taking your stupid pills again......

1- you agree that you are krause's puppet,,,

**Wrong dipstick...I agreed to nothing!

2- you are a racists,,,, well that was obvious,,, so what do you want to
let in the dumbest?? who cannot work?? And just raise taxes to pay for
it???
You from Canada???

**What a moron...didn't I just say we need immigrants that will bring
something to the table...that is.. investment in businesses/plants etc to
create jobs.....
..and the way you have badmouthed French/German/Western peoples...I
wouldn't
go around calling anyone else racist.

3- you are a liar because you claimed earlier that you killfiled me....
yup,,, you qualify for a krause puppet,,, which confirms number 1,,, at
second glance,,,,

**My my...do you ever tire of your own stupidity.
I have never stated that I killfiled you. In fact, I haven't killfiled
one
single poster since I joined this newsgroup. I just try to ignore
them...or
set them straight as may be required.


Grow up Don.

MikeT wrote:
Damb it Harry, take your propaganda to an appropriate group!

Hmm, let me guess. It's propaganda when it shows BushCo in a negative
light, but not when it comes from the BushCo spin machines, right?