KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/20/05 2:03 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/19/05 3:17 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/19/05 2:14 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/19/05 1:44 AM:


KMAN wrote:
"Melissa" wrote in
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Hi BCITORGB,

On 18 Mar 2005 09:05:14 -0800, you wrote:

Let me translate, into 'murcan: F*CK OFF!

Depending on context, the exact meaning of "sod off" can be
as
offensive as you describe, or as mild as a somewhat annoyed
"go
away". Since I'm not prone to say things such as the
former,
even
when I'm *really* annoyed, my use of the phrase here was
definitely
of the latter sort. Perhaps a bit "over the top" for
effect,
I
admit, and I suppose it could have been easily
misunderstood,
so
I
do
apologize if I've offended anyone *way too much*. Besides,
I
only
mentioned the phrase in terms of trying to think up a
"tactful"
way
to say it! ;-)

- --
Melissa

You could try "get bent" but then in Tinkerntom's case, he's
already
"around
the bend"...

OF course KMAN would know, he got there before I did! TnT

I had to get a good seat to watch you go over the edge.

I guess I always figured you for the couch potatoe type! Tnt

We need William Figueroa here to explain to Tinkerntom why he is
starting to
look as hebetudinous as he is crazy ;-)

Well, life is like a box of chocolates, you learn to make do with
what
you got, or not! Not all of us are smart as you to use such big
words,
must be from setting around reading the dictionary. TnT

Forget the big words, did you at least get the Figueroa
reference...and why
I made it?

The name Dan Quail rings a bell! I'm glad you are around two make
sure
we don't all goe offf halfed cocked and spill a worrd witd lesss
than
camplete accurracy now and then.

Humour, Tinkerntom. Humour.

I thought I was being humorous also, thanks for the compliment!

I am surre yu woold knot be able to
figur oot what else important is going on or been saide if thar
wert a
sppeellen errorr. Some politicians carreers have fallen because of
a
simple misspelled word. Now for those who set around and read a
dictionary all day for inspirational reading, cause they can't
figure
anything really significant to do than to be picky about other
folks
spelling errors

If I had just jumped into RPB and made a joke about your spelling
abilities,
I'd have to agree with you. However, in light of the vast amounts of
your
verbiage that I have waded through on numerous occasions, you might
be
getting a tad carried away with this angle.

Hey, you have asked questions that sometimes required an indepth
discussion. If you want to keep it simple, ask simple questions!


and can't make a positive constructive contribution to
an ongoing discussion, then it should not surprise you when they
would
delight to bring down a decent and honorable man

Humble too!

I agree, he could have acted more humble, but then politicians running
for high office aren't known for being humble, and the news media loves
to find a weak point, and never let it go. I am sure that if you ask
Dan, how to spell patato now, he would be able to tell you. So should
we ask him to be president now, that he knows how to spell patato!


because of a spelling
error, in order to promote their own philanderer, and then think
that
the philanderer is a asset to the country and the world.

Uh. I'm promoting a philanderer by having fun with your spelling of
potato?


No, but the media at the time sure had fun at Dan's expense, and used
it to promote BillyBob, without really checking out some of the serious
allegations about the latter. And then they act surprised about Monica.

But such is
how some enlightened elitist think and act. And so it would not
surprise me that the same enlightened elitist attitude would be
substituted for a meaningjul contribution on something as lame as
the
RBP. TnT

Man, you jesus freaks sure ain't fun.

Oh, we can be fun, but I prefer when discussing substantive issues with
you, instead of my spelling, or for that matter yours, not becoming the
subject. Sp flames are not particularly interesting. If it is critical
for the content of the discussion, then clarify for clarity sake,
otherwise figure it out. I have seen so many threads just break down
into nit-picking ****ing contest.

I know that you are able to discuss issues in a mature and thoughtful
manner. I have gotten to know enough about you to know that you have
alot to contribute to a discussion, and that you have a perspective
that is valuable for me to hear. It is distressing and annoying when
you get picky and penny ante, and I am inclined to just ignore you as I
do a few others.

There are times when we snipe at each other, and it can be fun, from
the stand point that as we have gotten to know one another, we know
each others hot buttons. Hopefully we do not do so to destroy the other
person. I am sure that from your perspective of me going over the edge,
while you are setting on your couch reading the dictionary, must look
very humorous to a Martian checking out the local electronic binary
data fields surrounding the Earth.

Some of the quips are cute, clever, and funny, and then some are mean,
nasty, and hurt. I would assume from what you have indicated about your
respect for mankind, that you would not intentionally hurt another
human being. Why would you do it mentally, and then claim it was fun.
See I've gotten to know you to well, and I actually don't think you are
such a bad guy!

Respectfully TnT

Tinkerntom wrote:
KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/20/05 2:03 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/19/05 3:17 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/19/05 2:14 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/19/05 1:44 AM:


KMAN wrote:
"Melissa" wrote in
message
...
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Hash: RIPEMD160

Hi BCITORGB,

On 18 Mar 2005 09:05:14 -0800, you wrote:

Let me translate, into 'murcan: F*CK OFF!

Depending on context, the exact meaning of "sod off" can
be
as
offensive as you describe, or as mild as a somewhat
annoyed
"go
away". Since I'm not prone to say things such as the
former,
even
when I'm *really* annoyed, my use of the phrase here was
definitely
of the latter sort. Perhaps a bit "over the top" for
effect,
I
admit, and I suppose it could have been easily
misunderstood,
so
I
do
apologize if I've offended anyone *way too much*.
Besides,
I
only
mentioned the phrase in terms of trying to think up a
"tactful"
way
to say it! ;-)

- --
Melissa

You could try "get bent" but then in Tinkerntom's case,
he's
already
"around
the bend"...

OF course KMAN would know, he got there before I did! TnT

I had to get a good seat to watch you go over the edge.

I guess I always figured you for the couch potatoe type! Tnt

We need William Figueroa here to explain to Tinkerntom why he
is
starting to
look as hebetudinous as he is crazy ;-)

Well, life is like a box of chocolates, you learn to make do
with
what
you got, or not! Not all of us are smart as you to use such big
words,
must be from setting around reading the dictionary. TnT

Forget the big words, did you at least get the Figueroa
reference...and why
I made it?

The name Dan Quail rings a bell! I'm glad you are around two make
sure
we don't all goe offf halfed cocked and spill a worrd witd lesss
than
camplete accurracy now and then.

Humour, Tinkerntom. Humour.

I thought I was being humorous also, thanks for the compliment!

I am surre yu woold knot be able to
figur oot what else important is going on or been saide if thar
wert a
sppeellen errorr. Some politicians carreers have fallen because
of
a
simple misspelled word. Now for those who set around and read a
dictionary all day for inspirational reading, cause they can't
figure
anything really significant to do than to be picky about other
folks
spelling errors

If I had just jumped into RPB and made a joke about your spelling
abilities,
I'd have to agree with you. However, in light of the vast amounts
of
your
verbiage that I have waded through on numerous occasions, you might
be
getting a tad carried away with this angle.

Hey, you have asked questions that sometimes required an indepth
discussion. If you want to keep it simple, ask simple questions!


and can't make a positive constructive contribution to
an ongoing discussion, then it should not surprise you when they
would
delight to bring down a decent and honorable man

Humble too!

I agree, he could have acted more humble, but then politicians
running
for high office aren't known for being humble, and the news media
loves
to find a weak point, and never let it go. I am sure that if you ask
Dan, how to spell patato now, he would be able to tell you. So should
we ask him to be president now, that he knows how to spell patato!


because of a spelling
error, in order to promote their own philanderer, and then think
that
the philanderer is a asset to the country and the world.

Uh. I'm promoting a philanderer by having fun with your spelling of
potato?


No, but the media at the time sure had fun at Dan's expense, and used
it to promote BillyBob, without really checking out some of the
serious
allegations about the latter. And then they act surprised about
Monica.

But such is
how some enlightened elitist think and act. And so it would not
surprise me that the same enlightened elitist attitude would be
substituted for a meaningjul contribution on something as lame as
the
RBP. TnT

Man, you jesus freaks sure ain't fun.

Oh, we can be fun, but I prefer when discussing substantive issues
with
you, instead of my spelling, or for that matter yours, not becoming
the
subject. Sp flames are not particularly interesting. If it is
critical
for the content of the discussion, then clarify for clarity sake,
otherwise figure it out. I have seen so many threads just break down
into nit-picking ****ing contest.

I know that you are able to discuss issues in a mature and thoughtful
manner. I have gotten to know enough about you to know that you have
alot to contribute to a discussion, and that you have a perspective
that is valuable for me to hear. It is distressing and annoying when
you get picky and penny ante, and I am inclined to just ignore you as
I
do a few others.

There are times when we snipe at each other, and it can be fun, from
the stand point that as we have gotten to know one another, we know
each others hot buttons. Hopefully we do not do so to destroy the
other
person. I am sure that from your perspective of me going over the
edge,
while you are setting on your couch reading the dictionary, must look
very humorous to a Martian checking out the local electronic binary
data fields surrounding the Earth.

Some of the quips are cute, clever, and funny, and then some are
mean,
nasty, and hurt. I would assume from what you have indicated about
your
respect for mankind, that you would not intentionally hurt another
human being. Why would you do it mentally, and then claim it was fun.
See I've gotten to know you to well, and I actually don't think you
are
such a bad guy!

Respectfully TnT

Here is something funny, I was checking out my post, and I still can't
spell "potato!" I wanted to warn you so that you don't choke on patato,
laughing! TnT

in article , Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/20/05 4:38 AM:


Tinkerntom wrote:
KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/20/05 2:03 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/19/05 3:17 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/19/05 2:14 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/19/05 1:44 AM:


KMAN wrote:
"Melissa" wrote in
message
...
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: RIPEMD160

Hi BCITORGB,

On 18 Mar 2005 09:05:14 -0800, you wrote:

Let me translate, into 'murcan: F*CK OFF!

Depending on context, the exact meaning of "sod off" can
be
as
offensive as you describe, or as mild as a somewhat
annoyed
"go
away". Since I'm not prone to say things such as the
former,
even
when I'm *really* annoyed, my use of the phrase here was
definitely
of the latter sort. Perhaps a bit "over the top" for
effect,
I
admit, and I suppose it could have been easily
misunderstood,
so
I
do
apologize if I've offended anyone *way too much*.
Besides,
I
only
mentioned the phrase in terms of trying to think up a
"tactful"
way
to say it! ;-)

- --
Melissa

You could try "get bent" but then in Tinkerntom's case,
he's
already
"around
the bend"...

OF course KMAN would know, he got there before I did! TnT

I had to get a good seat to watch you go over the edge.

I guess I always figured you for the couch potatoe type! Tnt

We need William Figueroa here to explain to Tinkerntom why he
is
starting to
look as hebetudinous as he is crazy ;-)

Well, life is like a box of chocolates, you learn to make do
with
what
you got, or not! Not all of us are smart as you to use such big
words,
must be from setting around reading the dictionary. TnT

Forget the big words, did you at least get the Figueroa
reference...and why
I made it?

The name Dan Quail rings a bell! I'm glad you are around two make
sure
we don't all goe offf halfed cocked and spill a worrd witd lesss
than
camplete accurracy now and then.

Humour, Tinkerntom. Humour.

I thought I was being humorous also, thanks for the compliment!

I am surre yu woold knot be able to
figur oot what else important is going on or been saide if thar
wert a
sppeellen errorr. Some politicians carreers have fallen because
of
a
simple misspelled word. Now for those who set around and read a
dictionary all day for inspirational reading, cause they can't
figure
anything really significant to do than to be picky about other
folks
spelling errors

If I had just jumped into RPB and made a joke about your spelling
abilities,
I'd have to agree with you. However, in light of the vast amounts
of
your
verbiage that I have waded through on numerous occasions, you might
be
getting a tad carried away with this angle.

Hey, you have asked questions that sometimes required an indepth
discussion. If you want to keep it simple, ask simple questions!


and can't make a positive constructive contribution to
an ongoing discussion, then it should not surprise you when they
would
delight to bring down a decent and honorable man

Humble too!

I agree, he could have acted more humble, but then politicians
running
for high office aren't known for being humble, and the news media
loves
to find a weak point, and never let it go. I am sure that if you ask
Dan, how to spell patato now, he would be able to tell you. So should
we ask him to be president now, that he knows how to spell patato!


because of a spelling
error, in order to promote their own philanderer, and then think
that
the philanderer is a asset to the country and the world.

Uh. I'm promoting a philanderer by having fun with your spelling of
potato?


No, but the media at the time sure had fun at Dan's expense, and used
it to promote BillyBob, without really checking out some of the
serious
allegations about the latter. And then they act surprised about
Monica.

But such is
how some enlightened elitist think and act. And so it would not
surprise me that the same enlightened elitist attitude would be
substituted for a meaningjul contribution on something as lame as
the
RBP. TnT

Man, you jesus freaks sure ain't fun.

Oh, we can be fun, but I prefer when discussing substantive issues
with
you, instead of my spelling, or for that matter yours, not becoming
the
subject. Sp flames are not particularly interesting. If it is
critical
for the content of the discussion, then clarify for clarity sake,
otherwise figure it out. I have seen so many threads just break down
into nit-picking ****ing contest.

I know that you are able to discuss issues in a mature and thoughtful
manner. I have gotten to know enough about you to know that you have
alot to contribute to a discussion, and that you have a perspective
that is valuable for me to hear. It is distressing and annoying when
you get picky and penny ante, and I am inclined to just ignore you as
I
do a few others.

There are times when we snipe at each other, and it can be fun, from
the stand point that as we have gotten to know one another, we know
each others hot buttons. Hopefully we do not do so to destroy the
other
person. I am sure that from your perspective of me going over the
edge,
while you are setting on your couch reading the dictionary, must look
very humorous to a Martian checking out the local electronic binary
data fields surrounding the Earth.

Some of the quips are cute, clever, and funny, and then some are
mean,
nasty, and hurt. I would assume from what you have indicated about
your
respect for mankind, that you would not intentionally hurt another
human being. Why would you do it mentally, and then claim it was fun.
See I've gotten to know you to well, and I actually don't think you
are
such a bad guy!

Respectfully TnT

Here is something funny, I was checking out my post, and I still can't
spell "potato!" I wanted to warn you so that you don't choke on patato,
laughing! TnT

Tinkerntom...

You make spelling mistakes all the time. I did not even notice - nor would I
care to remark upon - your patato typo. I just happened to find the
"potatoe" spelling amusing because it brought to mind Danny Q.

KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/20/05 4:38 AM:


Tinkerntom wrote:
KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/20/05 2:03 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/19/05 3:17 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/19/05 2:14 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/19/05 1:44 AM:


KMAN wrote:
"Melissa" wrote in
message
...
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: RIPEMD160

Hi BCITORGB,

On 18 Mar 2005 09:05:14 -0800, you wrote:

Let me translate, into 'murcan: F*CK OFF!

Depending on context, the exact meaning of "sod off" can
be
as
offensive as you describe, or as mild as a somewhat
annoyed
"go
away". Since I'm not prone to say things such as the
former,
even
when I'm *really* annoyed, my use of the phrase here was
definitely
of the latter sort. Perhaps a bit "over the top" for
effect,
I
admit, and I suppose it could have been easily
misunderstood,
so
I
do
apologize if I've offended anyone *way too much*.
Besides,
I
only
mentioned the phrase in terms of trying to think up a
"tactful"
way
to say it! ;-)

- --
Melissa

You could try "get bent" but then in Tinkerntom's case,
he's
already
"around
the bend"...

OF course KMAN would know, he got there before I did! TnT

I had to get a good seat to watch you go over the edge.

I guess I always figured you for the couch potatoe type! Tnt

We need William Figueroa here to explain to Tinkerntom why he
is
starting to
look as hebetudinous as he is crazy ;-)

Well, life is like a box of chocolates, you learn to make do
with
what
you got, or not! Not all of us are smart as you to use such
big
words,
must be from setting around reading the dictionary. TnT

Forget the big words, did you at least get the Figueroa
reference...and why
I made it?

The name Dan Quail rings a bell! I'm glad you are around two
make
sure
we don't all goe offf halfed cocked and spill a worrd witd lesss
than
camplete accurracy now and then.

Humour, Tinkerntom. Humour.

I thought I was being humorous also, thanks for the compliment!

I am surre yu woold knot be able to
figur oot what else important is going on or been saide if thar
wert a
sppeellen errorr. Some politicians carreers have fallen because
of
a
simple misspelled word. Now for those who set around and read a
dictionary all day for inspirational reading, cause they can't
figure
anything really significant to do than to be picky about other
folks
spelling errors

If I had just jumped into RPB and made a joke about your spelling
abilities,
I'd have to agree with you. However, in light of the vast amounts
of
your
verbiage that I have waded through on numerous occasions, you
might
be
getting a tad carried away with this angle.

Hey, you have asked questions that sometimes required an indepth
discussion. If you want to keep it simple, ask simple questions!


and can't make a positive constructive contribution to
an ongoing discussion, then it should not surprise you when they
would
delight to bring down a decent and honorable man

Humble too!

I agree, he could have acted more humble, but then politicians
running
for high office aren't known for being humble, and the news media
loves
to find a weak point, and never let it go. I am sure that if you
ask
Dan, how to spell patato now, he would be able to tell you. So
should
we ask him to be president now, that he knows how to spell patato!


because of a spelling
error, in order to promote their own philanderer, and then think
that
the philanderer is a asset to the country and the world.

Uh. I'm promoting a philanderer by having fun with your spelling
of
potato?


No, but the media at the time sure had fun at Dan's expense, and
used
it to promote BillyBob, without really checking out some of the
serious
allegations about the latter. And then they act surprised about
Monica.

But such is
how some enlightened elitist think and act. And so it would not
surprise me that the same enlightened elitist attitude would be
substituted for a meaningjul contribution on something as lame
as
the
RBP. TnT

Man, you jesus freaks sure ain't fun.

Oh, we can be fun, but I prefer when discussing substantive issues
with
you, instead of my spelling, or for that matter yours, not
becoming
the
subject. Sp flames are not particularly interesting. If it is
critical
for the content of the discussion, then clarify for clarity sake,
otherwise figure it out. I have seen so many threads just break
down
into nit-picking ****ing contest.

I know that you are able to discuss issues in a mature and
thoughtful
manner. I have gotten to know enough about you to know that you
have
alot to contribute to a discussion, and that you have a
perspective
that is valuable for me to hear. It is distressing and annoying
when
you get picky and penny ante, and I am inclined to just ignore you
as
I
do a few others.

There are times when we snipe at each other, and it can be fun,
from
the stand point that as we have gotten to know one another, we
know
each others hot buttons. Hopefully we do not do so to destroy the
other
person. I am sure that from your perspective of me going over the
edge,
while you are setting on your couch reading the dictionary, must
look
very humorous to a Martian checking out the local electronic
binary
data fields surrounding the Earth.

Some of the quips are cute, clever, and funny, and then some are
mean,
nasty, and hurt. I would assume from what you have indicated about
your
respect for mankind, that you would not intentionally hurt another
human being. Why would you do it mentally, and then claim it was
fun.
See I've gotten to know you to well, and I actually don't think
you
are
such a bad guy!

Respectfully TnT

Here is something funny, I was checking out my post, and I still
can't
spell "potato!" I wanted to warn you so that you don't choke on
patato,
laughing! TnT

Tinkerntom...

You make spelling mistakes all the time. I did not even notice - nor
would I
care to remark upon - your patato typo. I just happened to find the
"potatoe" spelling amusing because it brought to mind Danny Q.

Ok, and I admit that the mini-thread, preceding the Patatoe Crisis, was
fun, and you in fact were continuing to be cute and clever in your
clarifying the proper spelling of potato, and reference to DQ. Whose
quotes are pretty humorous to read in retrospect.

I should also know better than to try responding to a sideways post, in
the middle of the night, after a long day of working on a broken down
car. I broke a motor mount with collateral damage on the way home
Friday. I had thoughts of even getting to the lake this weekend, and
that all changed in a loud bang and then some very nasty grinding
sounds.

So carry on, and I will try to watch my spelling a little closer, so
that it does not cause you any unnecessary amusement! And you said us
Jesus freaks aren't any fun! TnT

"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...
Snip

I should also know better than to try responding to a sideways post, in
the middle of the night, after a long day of working on a broken down
car. I broke a motor mount with collateral damage on the way home
Friday. I had thoughts of even getting to the lake this weekend, and
that all changed in a loud bang and then some very nasty grinding
sounds.

What kind of car did you break a mount in, that caused other problems? I had
not broken one in many years after having an early 70s Chrysler that ate
them for breakfast. Until recently, that is, when my wife's Bonneville
(since traded for a Jeep) broke the front one. It had the same problem as
that early Chrysler. There was no limiter to keep the rubber from
over-extending. On many others in between these 2 cars I noticed that they
had a lip that would prevent over extension and then if the rubber did break
it would prevent collateral damage by keeping the engine from moving beyond
the limits of other components. I think the engineers either forget the
lessons learned or they are so hard pressed to save money, space and weight
that they make sacrifices. Rubber holding hundreds of ft/lbs of torque in
place is a poor place to save a few ounces or cents. IMO

Ken

No Spam wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...
Snip

I should also know better than to try responding to a sideways
post, in
the middle of the night, after a long day of working on a broken
down
car. I broke a motor mount with collateral damage on the way home
Friday. I had thoughts of even getting to the lake this weekend,
and
that all changed in a loud bang and then some very nasty grinding
sounds.

What kind of car did you break a mount in, that caused other
problems? I had
not broken one in many years after having an early 70s Chrysler that
ate
them for breakfast. Until recently, that is, when my wife's
Bonneville
(since traded for a Jeep) broke the front one. It had the same
problem as
that early Chrysler. There was no limiter to keep the rubber from
over-extending. On many others in between these 2 cars I noticed that
they
had a lip that would prevent over extension and then if the rubber
did break
it would prevent collateral damage by keeping the engine from moving
beyond
the limits of other components. I think the engineers either forget
the
lessons learned or they are so hard pressed to save money, space and
weight
that they make sacrifices. Rubber holding hundreds of ft/lbs of
torque in
place is a poor place to save a few ounces or cents. IMO

Ken

Dodge Grand Caravan, 3.3 L engine, Left side mount. The engine dropped
and moved to the right about 1.5 inches. the left side constant
velocity drive shaft pulled apart and self distructed.

I had a spare shaft that I put on, before I figured out about the motor
mount, and it lasted about 20 ft before coming apart as well. That's
when I began to figure there was something else wrong than a bad CV
joint. I am a fast learner!

When I got it all jacked up you could see the rear mount all dropped
down and pushed to the right. I figure the pop I heard at first, was
the mount breaking, then the grinding was the knuckle joint coming
apart. I hope I did not damage the tranny? TnT

"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...

No Spam wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...
Snip

I should also know better than to try responding to a sideways
post, in
the middle of the night, after a long day of working on a broken
down
car. I broke a motor mount with collateral damage on the way home
Friday. I had thoughts of even getting to the lake this weekend,
and
that all changed in a loud bang and then some very nasty grinding
sounds.

What kind of car did you break a mount in, that caused other
problems? I had
not broken one in many years after having an early 70s Chrysler that
ate
them for breakfast. Until recently, that is, when my wife's
Bonneville
(since traded for a Jeep) broke the front one. It had the same
problem as
that early Chrysler. There was no limiter to keep the rubber from
over-extending. On many others in between these 2 cars I noticed that
they
had a lip that would prevent over extension and then if the rubber
did break
it would prevent collateral damage by keeping the engine from moving
beyond
the limits of other components. I think the engineers either forget
the
lessons learned or they are so hard pressed to save money, space and
weight
that they make sacrifices. Rubber holding hundreds of ft/lbs of
torque in
place is a poor place to save a few ounces or cents. IMO

Ken

Dodge Grand Caravan, 3.3 L engine, Left side mount. The engine dropped
and moved to the right about 1.5 inches. the left side constant
velocity drive shaft pulled apart and self distructed.

I had a spare shaft that I put on, before I figured out about the motor
mount, and it lasted about 20 ft before coming apart as well. That's
when I began to figure there was something else wrong than a bad CV
joint. I am a fast learner!

When I got it all jacked up you could see the rear mount all dropped
down and pushed to the right. I figure the pop I heard at first, was
the mount breaking, then the grinding was the knuckle joint coming
apart. I hope I did not damage the tranny? TnT

Yeah, if you pulled one apart you were driving the opposite side shaft into
the tranny. Hopefully it has a bearing that can take the side load without
harm. You should know in the next 3k miles or so. Wish you luck. If they had
limiters built into the mount you would have just needed the mount.

Ken

in article , Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/20/05 6:25 PM:


KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/20/05 4:38 AM:


Tinkerntom wrote:
KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/20/05 2:03 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/19/05 3:17 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/19/05 2:14 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/19/05 1:44 AM:


KMAN wrote:
"Melissa" wrote in
message
...
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: RIPEMD160

Hi BCITORGB,

On 18 Mar 2005 09:05:14 -0800, you wrote:

Let me translate, into 'murcan: F*CK OFF!

Depending on context, the exact meaning of "sod off" can
be
as
offensive as you describe, or as mild as a somewhat
annoyed
"go
away". Since I'm not prone to say things such as the
former,
even
when I'm *really* annoyed, my use of the phrase here was
definitely
of the latter sort. Perhaps a bit "over the top" for
effect,
I
admit, and I suppose it could have been easily
misunderstood,
so
I
do
apologize if I've offended anyone *way too much*.
Besides,
I
only
mentioned the phrase in terms of trying to think up a
"tactful"
way
to say it! ;-)

- --
Melissa

You could try "get bent" but then in Tinkerntom's case,
he's
already
"around
the bend"...

OF course KMAN would know, he got there before I did! TnT

I had to get a good seat to watch you go over the edge.

I guess I always figured you for the couch potatoe type! Tnt

We need William Figueroa here to explain to Tinkerntom why he
is
starting to
look as hebetudinous as he is crazy ;-)

Well, life is like a box of chocolates, you learn to make do
with
what
you got, or not! Not all of us are smart as you to use such
big
words,
must be from setting around reading the dictionary. TnT

Forget the big words, did you at least get the Figueroa
reference...and why
I made it?

The name Dan Quail rings a bell! I'm glad you are around two
make
sure
we don't all goe offf halfed cocked and spill a worrd witd lesss
than
camplete accurracy now and then.

Humour, Tinkerntom. Humour.

I thought I was being humorous also, thanks for the compliment!

I am surre yu woold knot be able to
figur oot what else important is going on or been saide if thar
wert a
sppeellen errorr. Some politicians carreers have fallen because
of
a
simple misspelled word. Now for those who set around and read a
dictionary all day for inspirational reading, cause they can't
figure
anything really significant to do than to be picky about other
folks
spelling errors

If I had just jumped into RPB and made a joke about your spelling
abilities,
I'd have to agree with you. However, in light of the vast amounts
of
your
verbiage that I have waded through on numerous occasions, you
might
be
getting a tad carried away with this angle.

Hey, you have asked questions that sometimes required an indepth
discussion. If you want to keep it simple, ask simple questions!


and can't make a positive constructive contribution to
an ongoing discussion, then it should not surprise you when they
would
delight to bring down a decent and honorable man

Humble too!

I agree, he could have acted more humble, but then politicians
running
for high office aren't known for being humble, and the news media
loves
to find a weak point, and never let it go. I am sure that if you
ask
Dan, how to spell patato now, he would be able to tell you. So
should
we ask him to be president now, that he knows how to spell patato!


because of a spelling
error, in order to promote their own philanderer, and then think
that
the philanderer is a asset to the country and the world.

Uh. I'm promoting a philanderer by having fun with your spelling
of
potato?


No, but the media at the time sure had fun at Dan's expense, and
used
it to promote BillyBob, without really checking out some of the
serious
allegations about the latter. And then they act surprised about
Monica.

But such is
how some enlightened elitist think and act. And so it would not
surprise me that the same enlightened elitist attitude would be
substituted for a meaningjul contribution on something as lame
as
the
RBP. TnT

Man, you jesus freaks sure ain't fun.

Oh, we can be fun, but I prefer when discussing substantive issues
with
you, instead of my spelling, or for that matter yours, not
becoming
the
subject. Sp flames are not particularly interesting. If it is
critical
for the content of the discussion, then clarify for clarity sake,
otherwise figure it out. I have seen so many threads just break
down
into nit-picking ****ing contest.

I know that you are able to discuss issues in a mature and
thoughtful
manner. I have gotten to know enough about you to know that you
have
alot to contribute to a discussion, and that you have a
perspective
that is valuable for me to hear. It is distressing and annoying
when
you get picky and penny ante, and I am inclined to just ignore you
as
I
do a few others.

There are times when we snipe at each other, and it can be fun,
from
the stand point that as we have gotten to know one another, we
know
each others hot buttons. Hopefully we do not do so to destroy the
other
person. I am sure that from your perspective of me going over the
edge,
while you are setting on your couch reading the dictionary, must
look
very humorous to a Martian checking out the local electronic
binary
data fields surrounding the Earth.

Some of the quips are cute, clever, and funny, and then some are
mean,
nasty, and hurt. I would assume from what you have indicated about
your
respect for mankind, that you would not intentionally hurt another
human being. Why would you do it mentally, and then claim it was
fun.
See I've gotten to know you to well, and I actually don't think
you
are
such a bad guy!

Respectfully TnT

Here is something funny, I was checking out my post, and I still
can't
spell "potato!" I wanted to warn you so that you don't choke on
patato,
laughing! TnT

Tinkerntom...

You make spelling mistakes all the time. I did not even notice - nor
would I
care to remark upon - your patato typo. I just happened to find the
"potatoe" spelling amusing because it brought to mind Danny Q.

Ok, and I admit that the mini-thread, preceding the Patatoe Crisis, was
fun, and you in fact were continuing to be cute and clever in your
clarifying the proper spelling of potato, and reference to DQ. Whose
quotes are pretty humorous to read in retrospect.

I should also know better than to try responding to a sideways post, in
the middle of the night, after a long day of working on a broken down
car. I broke a motor mount with collateral damage on the way home
Friday. I had thoughts of even getting to the lake this weekend, and
that all changed in a loud bang and then some very nasty grinding
sounds.

So carry on, and I will try to watch my spelling a little closer, so
that it does not cause you any unnecessary amusement! And you said us
Jesus freaks aren't any fun! TnT

That's the most roundabout and diluted apology ever. You'd think a man
filled with the love of god could do better!

KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/20/05 6:25 PM:


KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/20/05 4:38 AM:


Tinkerntom wrote:
KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/20/05 2:03 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/19/05 3:17 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/19/05 2:14 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/19/05 1:44 AM:


KMAN wrote:
"Melissa" wrote
in
message
...
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: RIPEMD160

Hi BCITORGB,

On 18 Mar 2005 09:05:14 -0800, you wrote:

Let me translate, into 'murcan: F*CK OFF!

Depending on context, the exact meaning of "sod off"
can
be
as
offensive as you describe, or as mild as a somewhat
annoyed
"go
away". Since I'm not prone to say things such as the
former,
even
when I'm *really* annoyed, my use of the phrase here
was
definitely
of the latter sort. Perhaps a bit "over the top" for
effect,
I
admit, and I suppose it could have been easily
misunderstood,
so
I
do
apologize if I've offended anyone *way too much*.
Besides,
I
only
mentioned the phrase in terms of trying to think up a
"tactful"
way
to say it! ;-)

- --
Melissa

You could try "get bent" but then in Tinkerntom's case,
he's
already
"around
the bend"...

OF course KMAN would know, he got there before I did!
TnT

I had to get a good seat to watch you go over the edge.

I guess I always figured you for the couch potatoe type!
Tnt

We need William Figueroa here to explain to Tinkerntom why
he
is
starting to
look as hebetudinous as he is crazy ;-)

Well, life is like a box of chocolates, you learn to make do
with
what
you got, or not! Not all of us are smart as you to use such
big
words,
must be from setting around reading the dictionary. TnT

Forget the big words, did you at least get the Figueroa
reference...and why
I made it?

The name Dan Quail rings a bell! I'm glad you are around two
make
sure
we don't all goe offf halfed cocked and spill a worrd witd
lesss
than
camplete accurracy now and then.

Humour, Tinkerntom. Humour.

I thought I was being humorous also, thanks for the compliment!

I am surre yu woold knot be able to
figur oot what else important is going on or been saide if
thar
wert a
sppeellen errorr. Some politicians carreers have fallen
because
of
a
simple misspelled word. Now for those who set around and read
a
dictionary all day for inspirational reading, cause they can't
figure
anything really significant to do than to be picky about other
folks
spelling errors

If I had just jumped into RPB and made a joke about your
spelling
abilities,
I'd have to agree with you. However, in light of the vast
amounts
of
your
verbiage that I have waded through on numerous occasions, you
might
be
getting a tad carried away with this angle.

Hey, you have asked questions that sometimes required an indepth
discussion. If you want to keep it simple, ask simple questions!


and can't make a positive constructive contribution to
an ongoing discussion, then it should not surprise you when
they
would
delight to bring down a decent and honorable man

Humble too!

I agree, he could have acted more humble, but then politicians
running
for high office aren't known for being humble, and the news
media
loves
to find a weak point, and never let it go. I am sure that if you
ask
Dan, how to spell patato now, he would be able to tell you. So
should
we ask him to be president now, that he knows how to spell
patato!


because of a spelling
error, in order to promote their own philanderer, and then
think
that
the philanderer is a asset to the country and the world.

Uh. I'm promoting a philanderer by having fun with your
spelling
of
potato?


No, but the media at the time sure had fun at Dan's expense, and
used
it to promote BillyBob, without really checking out some of the
serious
allegations about the latter. And then they act surprised about
Monica.

But such is
how some enlightened elitist think and act. And so it would
not
surprise me that the same enlightened elitist attitude would
be
substituted for a meaningjul contribution on something as lame
as
the
RBP. TnT

Man, you jesus freaks sure ain't fun.

Oh, we can be fun, but I prefer when discussing substantive
issues
with
you, instead of my spelling, or for that matter yours, not
becoming
the
subject. Sp flames are not particularly interesting. If it is
critical
for the content of the discussion, then clarify for clarity
sake,
otherwise figure it out. I have seen so many threads just break
down
into nit-picking ****ing contest.

I know that you are able to discuss issues in a mature and
thoughtful
manner. I have gotten to know enough about you to know that you
have
alot to contribute to a discussion, and that you have a
perspective
that is valuable for me to hear. It is distressing and annoying
when
you get picky and penny ante, and I am inclined to just ignore
you
as
I
do a few others.

There are times when we snipe at each other, and it can be fun,
from
the stand point that as we have gotten to know one another, we
know
each others hot buttons. Hopefully we do not do so to destroy
the
other
person. I am sure that from your perspective of me going over
the
edge,
while you are setting on your couch reading the dictionary, must
look
very humorous to a Martian checking out the local electronic
binary
data fields surrounding the Earth.

Some of the quips are cute, clever, and funny, and then some are
mean,
nasty, and hurt. I would assume from what you have indicated
about
your
respect for mankind, that you would not intentionally hurt
another
human being. Why would you do it mentally, and then claim it was
fun.
See I've gotten to know you to well, and I actually don't think
you
are
such a bad guy!

Respectfully TnT

Here is something funny, I was checking out my post, and I still
can't
spell "potato!" I wanted to warn you so that you don't choke on
patato,
laughing! TnT

Tinkerntom...

You make spelling mistakes all the time. I did not even notice -
nor
would I
care to remark upon - your patato typo. I just happened to find
the
"potatoe" spelling amusing because it brought to mind Danny Q.

Ok, and I admit that the mini-thread, preceding the Patatoe Crisis,
was
fun, and you in fact were continuing to be cute and clever in your
clarifying the proper spelling of potato, and reference to DQ.
Whose
quotes are pretty humorous to read in retrospect.

I should also know better than to try responding to a sideways
post, in
the middle of the night, after a long day of working on a broken
down
car. I broke a motor mount with collateral damage on the way home
Friday. I had thoughts of even getting to the lake this weekend,
and
that all changed in a loud bang and then some very nasty grinding
sounds.

So carry on, and I will try to watch my spelling a little closer,
so
that it does not cause you any unnecessary amusement! And you said
us
Jesus freaks aren't any fun! TnT

That's the most roundabout and diluted apology ever. You'd think a
man
filled with the love of god could do better!


Well, I learned from a master! I was going to save the real apology for
the middle of the night, where I would hide it in the middle of
something I am writing to frtzw. But if it makes you feel better, I
apologize for getting all wound up and jumping all over your sense of
humor, which actually was pretty on point and funny! I will work on my
spelling, and in particular being able to humble myself when I misspell
as I am inclined to do, and I appreciate and accept your help in
correcting critical speeling errors. TnT

in article , Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/20/05 9:49 PM:


KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/20/05 6:25 PM:


KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/20/05 4:38 AM:


Tinkerntom wrote:
KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/20/05 2:03 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/19/05 3:17 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/19/05 2:14 AM:


KMAN wrote:
in article
,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/19/05 1:44 AM:


KMAN wrote:
"Melissa" wrote
in
message
...
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: RIPEMD160

Hi BCITORGB,

On 18 Mar 2005 09:05:14 -0800, you wrote:

Let me translate, into 'murcan: F*CK OFF!

Depending on context, the exact meaning of "sod off"
can
be
as
offensive as you describe, or as mild as a somewhat
annoyed
"go
away". Since I'm not prone to say things such as the
former,
even
when I'm *really* annoyed, my use of the phrase here
was
definitely
of the latter sort. Perhaps a bit "over the top" for
effect,
I
admit, and I suppose it could have been easily
misunderstood,
so
I
do
apologize if I've offended anyone *way too much*.
Besides,
I
only
mentioned the phrase in terms of trying to think up a
"tactful"
way
to say it! ;-)

- --
Melissa

You could try "get bent" but then in Tinkerntom's case,
he's
already
"around
the bend"...

OF course KMAN would know, he got there before I did!
TnT

I had to get a good seat to watch you go over the edge.

I guess I always figured you for the couch potatoe type!
Tnt

We need William Figueroa here to explain to Tinkerntom why
he
is
starting to
look as hebetudinous as he is crazy ;-)

Well, life is like a box of chocolates, you learn to make do
with
what
you got, or not! Not all of us are smart as you to use such
big
words,
must be from setting around reading the dictionary. TnT

Forget the big words, did you at least get the Figueroa
reference...and why
I made it?

The name Dan Quail rings a bell! I'm glad you are around two
make
sure
we don't all goe offf halfed cocked and spill a worrd witd
lesss
than
camplete accurracy now and then.

Humour, Tinkerntom. Humour.

I thought I was being humorous also, thanks for the compliment!

I am surre yu woold knot be able to
figur oot what else important is going on or been saide if
thar
wert a
sppeellen errorr. Some politicians carreers have fallen
because
of
a
simple misspelled word. Now for those who set around and read
a
dictionary all day for inspirational reading, cause they can't
figure
anything really significant to do than to be picky about other
folks
spelling errors

If I had just jumped into RPB and made a joke about your
spelling
abilities,
I'd have to agree with you. However, in light of the vast
amounts
of
your
verbiage that I have waded through on numerous occasions, you
might
be
getting a tad carried away with this angle.

Hey, you have asked questions that sometimes required an indepth
discussion. If you want to keep it simple, ask simple questions!


and can't make a positive constructive contribution to
an ongoing discussion, then it should not surprise you when
they
would
delight to bring down a decent and honorable man

Humble too!

I agree, he could have acted more humble, but then politicians
running
for high office aren't known for being humble, and the news
media
loves
to find a weak point, and never let it go. I am sure that if you
ask
Dan, how to spell patato now, he would be able to tell you. So
should
we ask him to be president now, that he knows how to spell
patato!


because of a spelling
error, in order to promote their own philanderer, and then
think
that
the philanderer is a asset to the country and the world.

Uh. I'm promoting a philanderer by having fun with your
spelling
of
potato?


No, but the media at the time sure had fun at Dan's expense, and
used
it to promote BillyBob, without really checking out some of the
serious
allegations about the latter. And then they act surprised about
Monica.

But such is
how some enlightened elitist think and act. And so it would
not
surprise me that the same enlightened elitist attitude would
be
substituted for a meaningjul contribution on something as lame
as
the
RBP. TnT

Man, you jesus freaks sure ain't fun.

Oh, we can be fun, but I prefer when discussing substantive
issues
with
you, instead of my spelling, or for that matter yours, not
becoming
the
subject. Sp flames are not particularly interesting. If it is
critical
for the content of the discussion, then clarify for clarity
sake,
otherwise figure it out. I have seen so many threads just break
down
into nit-picking ****ing contest.

I know that you are able to discuss issues in a mature and
thoughtful
manner. I have gotten to know enough about you to know that you
have
alot to contribute to a discussion, and that you have a
perspective
that is valuable for me to hear. It is distressing and annoying
when
you get picky and penny ante, and I am inclined to just ignore
you
as
I
do a few others.

There are times when we snipe at each other, and it can be fun,
from
the stand point that as we have gotten to know one another, we
know
each others hot buttons. Hopefully we do not do so to destroy
the
other
person. I am sure that from your perspective of me going over
the
edge,
while you are setting on your couch reading the dictionary, must
look
very humorous to a Martian checking out the local electronic
binary
data fields surrounding the Earth.

Some of the quips are cute, clever, and funny, and then some are
mean,
nasty, and hurt. I would assume from what you have indicated
about
your
respect for mankind, that you would not intentionally hurt
another
human being. Why would you do it mentally, and then claim it was
fun.
See I've gotten to know you to well, and I actually don't think
you
are
such a bad guy!

Respectfully TnT

Here is something funny, I was checking out my post, and I still
can't
spell "potato!" I wanted to warn you so that you don't choke on
patato,
laughing! TnT

Tinkerntom...

You make spelling mistakes all the time. I did not even notice -
nor
would I
care to remark upon - your patato typo. I just happened to find
the
"potatoe" spelling amusing because it brought to mind Danny Q.

Ok, and I admit that the mini-thread, preceding the Patatoe Crisis,
was
fun, and you in fact were continuing to be cute and clever in your
clarifying the proper spelling of potato, and reference to DQ.
Whose
quotes are pretty humorous to read in retrospect.

I should also know better than to try responding to a sideways
post, in
the middle of the night, after a long day of working on a broken
down
car. I broke a motor mount with collateral damage on the way home
Friday. I had thoughts of even getting to the lake this weekend,
and
that all changed in a loud bang and then some very nasty grinding
sounds.

So carry on, and I will try to watch my spelling a little closer,
so
that it does not cause you any unnecessary amusement! And you said
us
Jesus freaks aren't any fun! TnT

That's the most roundabout and diluted apology ever. You'd think a
man
filled with the love of god could do better!


Well, I learned from a master! I was going to save the real apology for
the middle of the night, where I would hide it in the middle of
something I am writing to frtzw. But if it makes you feel better, I
apologize for getting all wound up and jumping all over your sense of
humor, which actually was pretty on point and funny!

What can I say, you are strating to impress me, not because you apologize
(although when it comes to usenet you don't see it often) but because you
actually seem to understand what is happening in this instance.

I will work on my
spelling, and in particular being able to humble myself when I misspell
as I am inclined to do, and I appreciate and accept your help in
correcting critical speeling errors. TnT

Heh. Humour, right?