Why did I know you would focus on the negative?

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I have no idea.

Could it be because you posted a report that said that the creation of
a lot of low wage jobs where folks have no realistic chance to put
"pressure" on wages was "good news"?

The economy is not the DJIA. It's the pile of bills on the kitchen
table in every working home in the nation. We have traditionally been
judged as a nation not on how fabulously wealthy the Jay Goulds, John
Rockefellers, Andrew Carnegies, Howard Hughes and Bill Gates of society
can become, but rather on how well our common, ordinary, everyday
working men and women are able to live. Our wroking people have been
able to own houses, cars, annual vacations, many of them can even
afford boats..........ain't happening at $8 an hour. Especially when
"family values" applaud one parent staying home to raise the kids.

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Why did I know you would focus on the negative?

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I have no idea.

Could it be because you posted a report that said that the creation of
a lot of low wage jobs where folks have no realistic chance to put
"pressure" on wages was "good news"?

There always will be low wage jobs, even when a Democrat is President. Some
folks just don't have the ambition to go any further than a no brain "do you
want fries with that" job. Others are stuck there until they finish their
education.



The economy is not the DJIA.

Really? Then why did your side make it so since 9-11? Is this another
*but* story? "Well jobs are being created but the stock market
stinks....well the stock market is on the risk but......."

It's the pile of bills on the kitchen
table in every working home in the nation.

Yep, and since January over 300,000 new jobs have been created. Factory
orders are up. Every business I meet with reports good things as their
sales are on the rise.

We have traditionally been
judged as a nation not on how fabulously wealthy the Jay Goulds, John
Rockefellers, Andrew Carnegies, Howard Hughes and Bill Gates of society
can become, but rather on how well our common, ordinary, everyday
working men and women are able to live. Our wroking people have been
able to own houses, cars, annual vacations, many of them can even
afford boats..........ain't happening at $8 an hour.

Then perhaps those folks need to get an education and learn a skill.
Nothing is stopping them.

What we consider poor is defined as rich in many countries. Owning a car,
having tv's, cell phones, air conditioning, a house and perhaps a boat.

Folks have to take responsibility for the road they chose to go down. There
are thousands of success stories of the poor climbing to the top....and in
each case it meant hard work and education.

Then perhaps those folks need to get an education and learn a skill.
Nothing is stopping them.

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Nor does anybody guarantee that they will be employable in their field
of education.

We don't have white collar jobs for every college grad.

You find college grads flipping burgers, clerking at Target, sweeping
floors, etc.




Your other comment:

What we consider poor is defined as rich in many countries. Owning a
car,
having tv's, cell phones, air conditioning, a house and perhaps a boat.



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As long as our working people are better off than those in Bengladesh,
things are OK?
The way to increase the number of rich people is not to redefine rich
as "owning a cell phone and a TV". :-)

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Then perhaps those folks need to get an education and learn a skill.
Nothing is stopping them.

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Nor does anybody guarantee that they will be employable in their field
of education.

We don't have white collar jobs for every college grad.

Correct. Some choose to go into nursing or service work. Some choose
police work or to become a fireman.

College grads make their own choice on the field they want to pursue.



You find college grads flipping burgers, clerking at Target, sweeping
floors, etc.



Yep. Folks are sometimes laid off or fired. Unions are causing many
manufacturing companies to move overseas.

And during that time (being laid off) and looking for a new job many do
indeed take a job at Target instead of living off the teats of the
government.




Your other comment:

What we consider poor is defined as rich in many countries. Owning a
car,
having tv's, cell phones, air conditioning, a house and perhaps a boat.



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As long as our working people are better off than those in Bengladesh,
things are OK?

Where did I say that? What I did say was that our poor are not so when
compared to other parts of the world.


The way to increase the number of rich people is not to redefine rich
as "owning a cell phone and a TV". :-)


If you are poor then you should funnel your time and money into getting a
better job, not chatting on a cell phone or watching tv. If you are content
in being poor, then owning a cell phone and 42 inch color tv makes perfect
sense....eh Chuck?

On 5 Mar 2005 08:38:32 -0800, wrote:

Then perhaps those folks need to get an education and learn a skill.
Nothing is stopping them.

************

Nor does anybody guarantee that they will be employable in their field
of education.

We don't have white collar jobs for every college grad.

You find college grads flipping burgers, clerking at Target, sweeping
floors, etc.




Your other comment:

What we consider poor is defined as rich in many countries. Owning a
car,
having tv's, cell phones, air conditioning, a house and perhaps a boat.



******

As long as our working people are better off than those in Bengladesh,
things are OK?
The way to increase the number of rich people is not to redefine rich
as "owning a cell phone and a TV". :-)

We have too many college grads who seem to think that "Liberal Arts" is the
guarantee of good employment.

Go here and look at employment by type of degree. Compare the
Professional/Technical Field percents to the Social Sciences and Humanities
percents.

Could it possibly be that *individuals* reach their own decisions about their
lives? Could 'personal responsibility' and wages have anything to do with each
other?


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On 5 Mar 2005 08:12:15 -0800, wrote:

Why did I know you would focus on the negative?

******************
I have no idea.

Could it be because you posted a report that said that the creation of
a lot of low wage jobs where folks have no realistic chance to put
"pressure" on wages was "good news"?

The economy is not the DJIA. It's the pile of bills on the kitchen
table in every working home in the nation. We have traditionally been
judged as a nation not on how fabulously wealthy the Jay Goulds, John
Rockefellers, Andrew Carnegies, Howard Hughes and Bill Gates of society
can become, but rather on how well our common, ordinary, everyday
working men and women are able to live. Our wroking people have been
able to own houses, cars, annual vacations, many of them can even
afford boats..........ain't happening at $8 an hour. Especially when
"family values" applaud one parent staying home to raise the kids.

Not all the jobs were in the lettuce picking industry. According to the
Department of Labor:

Construction employment rose by 30,000 in February. This followed no
change in January, when unusually severe weather conditions in some areas of
the country limited construction activity. Since its most recent low point
in March 2003, the industry has added 458,000 jobs. Employment growth among
residential specialty trade contractors (16,000) and residential builders
(5,000) accounted for the bulk of February's gain.

In February, manufacturing added 20,000 jobs, with motor vehicles and parts
accounting for about half of the job gain. The increase in motor vehicles em-
ployment (11,000) reflected the return of auto workers from larger-than-usual
temporary layoffs in January. While total manufacturing employment edged up
over the year, it has shown little net change since mid-2004.

Employment in a number of service-providing industries grew over the month.
Professional and business services employment expanded by 81,000 in February.
Within this sector, sizable increases occurred in employment services (38,000),
services to buildings and dwellings (14,000), and architectural and engineering
services (7,000). Within employment services, temporary help services added
30,000 jobs in February and 207,000 jobs over the year.

Retail trade employment increased by 30,000 in February, with small gains
distributed throughout this industry. Over the year, retail trade has added
135,000 jobs. Wholesale trade employment was essentially flat in February;
employment in the industry has been trending upward, however, and has grown
by 94,000 since its most recent low in August 2003.

Within the financial activities sector, employment growth continued in
credit intermediation and related activities. The industry added 11,000
jobs in February, with commercial banks accounting for about 5,000 of the
gain.

Health care employment rose by 23,000 over the month. Since February 2004,
this industry has gained 262,000 jobs. Over the month, employment increased
in ambulatory health care services (12,000) and in hospitals (6,000).

In the leisure and hospitality sector, food services and drinking places
added 27,000 jobs in February. Over the year, leisure and hospitality employ-
ment increased by 268,000, with strong gains in both food services and accom-
modations.
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So all of these jobs are $5.45/hour jobs? Give me a break, Chuck.

Apparently some of the less bright Wall Street folks thought the news wasn't too
bad. A gain of 107 points isn't bad. Do you reckon all these folks think the
news is as bad as you do?

Is there a new credo amongst liberals, "If it's bad it's good, but if it's good
it's bad!"


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."