On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:26:43 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Damn straight. :)

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

ROME (Reuters) - U.S. forces fired at a car carrying Italian reporter
Giuliana Sgrena......

Gabriele Polo, the editor of Il Manifesto newspaper, said Sgrena's car
was fired on as it made its way to Baghdad airport.

What Reuters conveniently omits.......
(from CNN) ....According to a multinational forces statement, the car
approached the checkpoint at high speed about 9 p.m. (1 p.m. ET)

U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals,
flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car," the
statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the
engine block, which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding two
others."

In other words, US or other coalition forces used the same checkpoint
procedures that have been in force in Iraq for a long, long time.
Anyone..... anyone..... who approaches a military checkpoint in Iraq at
night and fails to heed warnings is a silly damned fool, among other things,
and must bear a large share of responsibility for ensuing events.

"Some Guy" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

ROME (Reuters) - U.S. forces fired at a car carrying Italian reporter
Giuliana Sgrena......

Gabriele Polo, the editor of Il Manifesto newspaper, said Sgrena's car
was fired on as it made its way to Baghdad airport.

What Reuters conveniently omits.......
(from CNN) ....According to a multinational forces statement, the car
approached the checkpoint at high speed about 9 p.m. (1 p.m. ET)

U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals,
flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car," the
statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the
engine block, which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding two
others."

In other words, US or other coalition forces used the same checkpoint
procedures that have been in force in Iraq for a long, long time.
Anyone..... anyone..... who approaches a military checkpoint in Iraq at
night and fails to heed warnings is a silly damned fool, among other
things,
and must bear a large share of responsibility for ensuing events.



Why am I not surprised?

The days of reporting the *news* is long gone....it is all now filtered and
bleached and results in nothing more than an editorial...certainly not news.

On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:29:27 -0500, "JimH" wrote:


"Some Guy" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

ROME (Reuters) - U.S. forces fired at a car carrying Italian reporter
Giuliana Sgrena......

Gabriele Polo, the editor of Il Manifesto newspaper, said Sgrena's car
was fired on as it made its way to Baghdad airport.

What Reuters conveniently omits.......
(from CNN) ....According to a multinational forces statement, the car
approached the checkpoint at high speed about 9 p.m. (1 p.m. ET)

U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals,
flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car," the
statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the
engine block, which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding two
others."

In other words, US or other coalition forces used the same checkpoint
procedures that have been in force in Iraq for a long, long time.
Anyone..... anyone..... who approaches a military checkpoint in Iraq at
night and fails to heed warnings is a silly damned fool, among other
things,
and must bear a large share of responsibility for ensuing events.



Why am I not surprised?

The days of reporting the *news* is long gone....it is all now filtered and
bleached and results in nothing more than an editorial...certainly not news.


See: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7814230

Harry conveniently left it out.


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:29:43 -0500, "Some Guy" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message

ROME (Reuters) - U.S. forces fired at a car carrying Italian reporter
Giuliana Sgrena......

Gabriele Polo, the editor of Il Manifesto newspaper, said Sgrena's car
was fired on as it made its way to Baghdad airport.

What Reuters conveniently omits.......
(from CNN) ....According to a multinational forces statement, the car
approached the checkpoint at high speed about 9 p.m. (1 p.m. ET)

U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals,
flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car," the
statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the
engine block, which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding two
others."

In other words, US or other coalition forces used the same checkpoint
procedures that have been in force in Iraq for a long, long time.
Anyone..... anyone..... who approaches a military checkpoint in Iraq at
night and fails to heed warnings is a silly damned fool, among other things,
and must bear a large share of responsibility for ensuing events.

"Reuters didn't leave it out, the poster of the story, Harry Krause according to
this post, conveniently left it out. The whole story is he

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7814230


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"John H" wrote in message

"Reuters didn't leave it out, the poster of the story, Harry Krause
according to
this post, conveniently left it out. The whole story is he

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7814230

I stand corrected, but not surprised. But my original point remains: what
the hell were they thinking? Who was the driver? If the driver was a
local, was this another setup, to create a friendly fire incident upon which
the world press would jump?

On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:08:31 -0500, "Some Guy" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message

"Reuters didn't leave it out, the poster of the story, Harry Krause
according to
this post, conveniently left it out. The whole story is he

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7814230

I stand corrected, but not surprised. But my original point remains: what
the hell were they thinking? Who was the driver? If the driver was a
local, was this another setup, to create a friendly fire incident upon which
the world press would jump?


Having driven in Italy, by motorcycle, I can tell you that Italian drivers are
the scariest bunch of people on the planet. They like to go fast and stop for
nothing. The Italians have wasted a lot of money on their equivalent of 'yield'
signs!

Of course, it could be that an Italian wasn't driving, in which case I have no
idea what was going on.


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"John H" wrote in message
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On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:08:31 -0500, "Some Guy"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message

"Reuters didn't leave it out, the poster of the story, Harry Krause
according to
this post, conveniently left it out. The whole story is he

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7814230

I stand corrected, but not surprised. But my original point remains:
what
the hell were they thinking? Who was the driver? If the driver was a
local, was this another setup, to create a friendly fire incident upon
which
the world press would jump?


Having driven in Italy, by motorcycle, I can tell you that Italian
drivers are
the scariest bunch of people on the planet. They like to go fast and
stop for
nothing. The Italians have wasted a lot of money on their equivalent of
'yield'
signs!

Of course, it could be that an Italian wasn't driving, in which case I
have no
idea what was going on.

Romania was worse than Italy :-)




John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

CNN's first paragraph in the lastest story posted (Friday, March 4,
2005 Posted: 9:18 PM EST (0218 GMT)

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- U.S. soldiers attempted to warn the occupants of
a car carrying a freed Italian journalist before troops opened fire,
killing a bodyguard and wounding the reporter, multinational officials
said Friday night.