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Short Wave Sportfishing March 4th 05 09:07 PM

If it moves, hell, shoot it.
 
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:26:43 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Damn straight. :)

JimH March 4th 05 10:29 PM


"Some Guy" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

ROME (Reuters) - U.S. forces fired at a car carrying Italian reporter
Giuliana Sgrena......

Gabriele Polo, the editor of Il Manifesto newspaper, said Sgrena's car
was fired on as it made its way to Baghdad airport.


What Reuters conveniently omits.......
(from CNN) ....According to a multinational forces statement, the car
approached the checkpoint at high speed about 9 p.m. (1 p.m. ET)

U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals,
flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car," the
statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the
engine block, which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding two
others."

In other words, US or other coalition forces used the same checkpoint
procedures that have been in force in Iraq for a long, long time.
Anyone..... anyone..... who approaches a military checkpoint in Iraq at
night and fails to heed warnings is a silly damned fool, among other
things,
and must bear a large share of responsibility for ensuing events.



Why am I not surprised?

The days of reporting the *news* is long gone....it is all now filtered and
bleached and results in nothing more than an editorial...certainly not news.



Some Guy March 4th 05 10:29 PM


"Harry Krause" wrote in message

ROME (Reuters) - U.S. forces fired at a car carrying Italian reporter
Giuliana Sgrena......

Gabriele Polo, the editor of Il Manifesto newspaper, said Sgrena's car
was fired on as it made its way to Baghdad airport.


What Reuters conveniently omits.......
(from CNN) ....According to a multinational forces statement, the car
approached the checkpoint at high speed about 9 p.m. (1 p.m. ET)

U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals,
flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car," the
statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the
engine block, which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding two
others."

In other words, US or other coalition forces used the same checkpoint
procedures that have been in force in Iraq for a long, long time.
Anyone..... anyone..... who approaches a military checkpoint in Iraq at
night and fails to heed warnings is a silly damned fool, among other things,
and must bear a large share of responsibility for ensuing events.



John H March 4th 05 11:12 PM

On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:29:43 -0500, "Some Guy" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message

ROME (Reuters) - U.S. forces fired at a car carrying Italian reporter
Giuliana Sgrena......

Gabriele Polo, the editor of Il Manifesto newspaper, said Sgrena's car
was fired on as it made its way to Baghdad airport.


What Reuters conveniently omits.......
(from CNN) ....According to a multinational forces statement, the car
approached the checkpoint at high speed about 9 p.m. (1 p.m. ET)

U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals,
flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car," the
statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the
engine block, which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding two
others."

In other words, US or other coalition forces used the same checkpoint
procedures that have been in force in Iraq for a long, long time.
Anyone..... anyone..... who approaches a military checkpoint in Iraq at
night and fails to heed warnings is a silly damned fool, among other things,
and must bear a large share of responsibility for ensuing events.

"Reuters didn't leave it out, the poster of the story, Harry Krause according to
this post, conveniently left it out. The whole story is he

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7814230


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

John H March 4th 05 11:13 PM

On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:29:27 -0500, "JimH" wrote:


"Some Guy" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

ROME (Reuters) - U.S. forces fired at a car carrying Italian reporter
Giuliana Sgrena......

Gabriele Polo, the editor of Il Manifesto newspaper, said Sgrena's car
was fired on as it made its way to Baghdad airport.


What Reuters conveniently omits.......
(from CNN) ....According to a multinational forces statement, the car
approached the checkpoint at high speed about 9 p.m. (1 p.m. ET)

U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals,
flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car," the
statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the
engine block, which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding two
others."

In other words, US or other coalition forces used the same checkpoint
procedures that have been in force in Iraq for a long, long time.
Anyone..... anyone..... who approaches a military checkpoint in Iraq at
night and fails to heed warnings is a silly damned fool, among other
things,
and must bear a large share of responsibility for ensuing events.



Why am I not surprised?

The days of reporting the *news* is long gone....it is all now filtered and
bleached and results in nothing more than an editorial...certainly not news.


See: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7814230

Harry conveniently left it out.


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Jack Goff March 4th 05 11:54 PM


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Sorry, but I usually don't accept statements of explanation from US
military sources in the absence of independent verification. The
military lies a lot. We've had example after example of this in Iraq.


That's why we don't believe *anything* you post. You're more biased and
more of a liar than the military.

An edited "news" story from Harry. Of course...



John H March 4th 05 11:56 PM

On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:15:52 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H wrote:
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:29:27 -0500, "JimH" wrote:


"Some Guy" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

ROME (Reuters) - U.S. forces fired at a car carrying Italian reporter
Giuliana Sgrena......

Gabriele Polo, the editor of Il Manifesto newspaper, said Sgrena's car
was fired on as it made its way to Baghdad airport.

What Reuters conveniently omits.......
(from CNN) ....According to a multinational forces statement, the car
approached the checkpoint at high speed about 9 p.m. (1 p.m. ET)

U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals,
flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car," the
statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the
engine block, which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding two
others."

In other words, US or other coalition forces used the same checkpoint
procedures that have been in force in Iraq for a long, long time.
Anyone..... anyone..... who approaches a military checkpoint in Iraq at
night and fails to heed warnings is a silly damned fool, among other
things,
and must bear a large share of responsibility for ensuing events.



Why am I not surprised?



Sorry, but I usually don't accept statements of explanation from US
military sources in the absence of independent verification. The
military lies a lot. We've had example after example of this in Iraq.



Harry, having caught this little bit of skullduggery, I 'unkillfiled' you just
to see your response.

It was cute.

Back you go.


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

John H March 5th 05 01:48 AM

On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 01:12:55 GMT, wrote:

On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 23:54:15 GMT, "Jack Goff" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Sorry, but I usually don't accept statements of explanation from US
military sources in the absence of independent verification. The
military lies a lot. We've had example after example of this in Iraq.


That's why we don't believe *anything* you post. You're more biased and
more of a liar than the military.

An edited "news" story from Harry. Of course...


At this point, Harry has a lot more veracity than the military. They have used
up all of their "OOps" passes.

BB


Believe who you will, BB. Sgrena was only wounded in the shoulder. Do you think
she'll allow a bunch of lies to be told?


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Calif Bill March 5th 05 03:20 AM


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:29:27 -0500, "JimH" wrote:


"Some Guy" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

ROME (Reuters) - U.S. forces fired at a car carrying Italian reporter
Giuliana Sgrena......

Gabriele Polo, the editor of Il Manifesto newspaper, said Sgrena's car
was fired on as it made its way to Baghdad airport.

What Reuters conveniently omits.......
(from CNN) ....According to a multinational forces statement, the

car
approached the checkpoint at high speed about 9 p.m. (1 p.m. ET)

U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm

signals,
flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car,"

the
statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into

the
engine block, which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding two
others."

In other words, US or other coalition forces used the same checkpoint
procedures that have been in force in Iraq for a long, long time.
Anyone..... anyone..... who approaches a military checkpoint in Iraq at
night and fails to heed warnings is a silly damned fool, among other
things,
and must bear a large share of responsibility for ensuing events.



Why am I not surprised?



Sorry, but I usually don't accept statements of explanation from US
military sources in the absence of independent verification. The
military lies a lot. We've had example after example of this in Iraq.


So you edit the story to fit your agenda. Normal.



Calif Bill March 5th 05 03:22 AM


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:15:52 -0500, Harry Krause

wrote:


John H wrote:

On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:29:27 -0500, "JimH" wrote:



"Some Guy" wrote in message
...


"Harry Krause" wrote in message


ROME (Reuters) - U.S. forces fired at a car carrying Italian

reporter
Giuliana Sgrena......

Gabriele Polo, the editor of Il Manifesto newspaper, said Sgrena's

car
was fired on as it made its way to Baghdad airport.

What Reuters conveniently omits.......
(from CNN) ....According to a multinational forces statement, the

car
approached the checkpoint at high speed about 9 p.m. (1 p.m. ET)

U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm

signals,
flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car,"

the
statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into

the
engine block, which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding two
others."

In other words, US or other coalition forces used the same checkpoint
procedures that have been in force in Iraq for a long, long time.
Anyone..... anyone..... who approaches a military checkpoint in Iraq

at
night and fails to heed warnings is a silly damned fool, among other
things,
and must bear a large share of responsibility for ensuing events.



Why am I not surprised?


Sorry, but I usually don't accept statements of explanation from US
military sources in the absence of independent verification. The
military lies a lot. We've had example after example of this in Iraq.




Harry, having caught this little bit of skullduggery, I 'unkillfiled'

you just
to see your response.

It was cute.

Back you go.


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."




I'm sorry, John, but I live in a reality-based world, and that means I
discount the US military's "explanations" for its screw-ups. The news
here was that our military once again opened fire when it shouldn't
have. You believe the military's explanation, I don't.


You do not stop for a checkpoint with a bunch of armed men, and you think
they won't shoot. You drinking from the same source as basskisser?




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