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If it moves, hell, shoot it.
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:26:43 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Damn straight. :) |
"Some Guy" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ROME (Reuters) - U.S. forces fired at a car carrying Italian reporter Giuliana Sgrena...... Gabriele Polo, the editor of Il Manifesto newspaper, said Sgrena's car was fired on as it made its way to Baghdad airport. What Reuters conveniently omits....... (from CNN) ....According to a multinational forces statement, the car approached the checkpoint at high speed about 9 p.m. (1 p.m. ET) U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals, flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car," the statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the engine block, which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding two others." In other words, US or other coalition forces used the same checkpoint procedures that have been in force in Iraq for a long, long time. Anyone..... anyone..... who approaches a military checkpoint in Iraq at night and fails to heed warnings is a silly damned fool, among other things, and must bear a large share of responsibility for ensuing events. Why am I not surprised? The days of reporting the *news* is long gone....it is all now filtered and bleached and results in nothing more than an editorial...certainly not news. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ROME (Reuters) - U.S. forces fired at a car carrying Italian reporter Giuliana Sgrena...... Gabriele Polo, the editor of Il Manifesto newspaper, said Sgrena's car was fired on as it made its way to Baghdad airport. What Reuters conveniently omits....... (from CNN) ....According to a multinational forces statement, the car approached the checkpoint at high speed about 9 p.m. (1 p.m. ET) U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals, flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car," the statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the engine block, which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding two others." In other words, US or other coalition forces used the same checkpoint procedures that have been in force in Iraq for a long, long time. Anyone..... anyone..... who approaches a military checkpoint in Iraq at night and fails to heed warnings is a silly damned fool, among other things, and must bear a large share of responsibility for ensuing events. |
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:29:43 -0500, "Some Guy" wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ROME (Reuters) - U.S. forces fired at a car carrying Italian reporter Giuliana Sgrena...... Gabriele Polo, the editor of Il Manifesto newspaper, said Sgrena's car was fired on as it made its way to Baghdad airport. What Reuters conveniently omits....... (from CNN) ....According to a multinational forces statement, the car approached the checkpoint at high speed about 9 p.m. (1 p.m. ET) U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals, flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car," the statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the engine block, which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding two others." In other words, US or other coalition forces used the same checkpoint procedures that have been in force in Iraq for a long, long time. Anyone..... anyone..... who approaches a military checkpoint in Iraq at night and fails to heed warnings is a silly damned fool, among other things, and must bear a large share of responsibility for ensuing events. "Reuters didn't leave it out, the poster of the story, Harry Krause according to this post, conveniently left it out. The whole story is he http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7814230 John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:29:27 -0500, "JimH" wrote:
"Some Guy" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ROME (Reuters) - U.S. forces fired at a car carrying Italian reporter Giuliana Sgrena...... Gabriele Polo, the editor of Il Manifesto newspaper, said Sgrena's car was fired on as it made its way to Baghdad airport. What Reuters conveniently omits....... (from CNN) ....According to a multinational forces statement, the car approached the checkpoint at high speed about 9 p.m. (1 p.m. ET) U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals, flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car," the statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the engine block, which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding two others." In other words, US or other coalition forces used the same checkpoint procedures that have been in force in Iraq for a long, long time. Anyone..... anyone..... who approaches a military checkpoint in Iraq at night and fails to heed warnings is a silly damned fool, among other things, and must bear a large share of responsibility for ensuing events. Why am I not surprised? The days of reporting the *news* is long gone....it is all now filtered and bleached and results in nothing more than an editorial...certainly not news. See: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7814230 Harry conveniently left it out. John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Sorry, but I usually don't accept statements of explanation from US military sources in the absence of independent verification. The military lies a lot. We've had example after example of this in Iraq. That's why we don't believe *anything* you post. You're more biased and more of a liar than the military. An edited "news" story from Harry. Of course... |
On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:15:52 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
John H wrote: On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:29:27 -0500, "JimH" wrote: "Some Guy" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ROME (Reuters) - U.S. forces fired at a car carrying Italian reporter Giuliana Sgrena...... Gabriele Polo, the editor of Il Manifesto newspaper, said Sgrena's car was fired on as it made its way to Baghdad airport. What Reuters conveniently omits....... (from CNN) ....According to a multinational forces statement, the car approached the checkpoint at high speed about 9 p.m. (1 p.m. ET) U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals, flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car," the statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the engine block, which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding two others." In other words, US or other coalition forces used the same checkpoint procedures that have been in force in Iraq for a long, long time. Anyone..... anyone..... who approaches a military checkpoint in Iraq at night and fails to heed warnings is a silly damned fool, among other things, and must bear a large share of responsibility for ensuing events. Why am I not surprised? Sorry, but I usually don't accept statements of explanation from US military sources in the absence of independent verification. The military lies a lot. We've had example after example of this in Iraq. Harry, having caught this little bit of skullduggery, I 'unkillfiled' you just to see your response. It was cute. Back you go. John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... John H wrote: On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:29:27 -0500, "JimH" wrote: "Some Guy" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ROME (Reuters) - U.S. forces fired at a car carrying Italian reporter Giuliana Sgrena...... Gabriele Polo, the editor of Il Manifesto newspaper, said Sgrena's car was fired on as it made its way to Baghdad airport. What Reuters conveniently omits....... (from CNN) ....According to a multinational forces statement, the car approached the checkpoint at high speed about 9 p.m. (1 p.m. ET) U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals, flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car," the statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the engine block, which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding two others." In other words, US or other coalition forces used the same checkpoint procedures that have been in force in Iraq for a long, long time. Anyone..... anyone..... who approaches a military checkpoint in Iraq at night and fails to heed warnings is a silly damned fool, among other things, and must bear a large share of responsibility for ensuing events. Why am I not surprised? Sorry, but I usually don't accept statements of explanation from US military sources in the absence of independent verification. The military lies a lot. We've had example after example of this in Iraq. So you edit the story to fit your agenda. Normal. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... John H wrote: On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:15:52 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: John H wrote: On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:29:27 -0500, "JimH" wrote: "Some Guy" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ROME (Reuters) - U.S. forces fired at a car carrying Italian reporter Giuliana Sgrena...... Gabriele Polo, the editor of Il Manifesto newspaper, said Sgrena's car was fired on as it made its way to Baghdad airport. What Reuters conveniently omits....... (from CNN) ....According to a multinational forces statement, the car approached the checkpoint at high speed about 9 p.m. (1 p.m. ET) U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals, flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car," the statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the engine block, which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding two others." In other words, US or other coalition forces used the same checkpoint procedures that have been in force in Iraq for a long, long time. Anyone..... anyone..... who approaches a military checkpoint in Iraq at night and fails to heed warnings is a silly damned fool, among other things, and must bear a large share of responsibility for ensuing events. Why am I not surprised? Sorry, but I usually don't accept statements of explanation from US military sources in the absence of independent verification. The military lies a lot. We've had example after example of this in Iraq. Harry, having caught this little bit of skullduggery, I 'unkillfiled' you just to see your response. It was cute. Back you go. John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." I'm sorry, John, but I live in a reality-based world, and that means I discount the US military's "explanations" for its screw-ups. The news here was that our military once again opened fire when it shouldn't have. You believe the military's explanation, I don't. You do not stop for a checkpoint with a bunch of armed men, and you think they won't shoot. You drinking from the same source as basskisser? |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... John H wrote: On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:29:27 -0500, "JimH" wrote: "Some Guy" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ROME (Reuters) - U.S. forces fired at a car carrying Italian reporter Giuliana Sgrena...... Gabriele Polo, the editor of Il Manifesto newspaper, said Sgrena's car was fired on as it made its way to Baghdad airport. What Reuters conveniently omits....... (from CNN) ....According to a multinational forces statement, the car approached the checkpoint at high speed about 9 p.m. (1 p.m. ET) U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals, flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car," the statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the engine block, which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding two others." In other words, US or other coalition forces used the same checkpoint procedures that have been in force in Iraq for a long, long time. Anyone..... anyone..... who approaches a military checkpoint in Iraq at night and fails to heed warnings is a silly damned fool, among other things, and must bear a large share of responsibility for ensuing events. Why am I not surprised? Sorry, but I usually don't accept statements of explanation from US military sources in the absence of independent verification. The military lies a lot. We've had example after example of this in Iraq. So you edit the story to fit your agenda. Normal. No, Bill, I just copied a couple of paragraphs, that's all. Tuck in your conspiracy and zip up your fly. When you consistently leave out the relevant paragraphs, then you are fitting it to your agenda. Better pull up your pants, you are exposed. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... John H wrote: On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:15:52 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: John H wrote: On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:29:27 -0500, "JimH" wrote: "Some Guy" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ROME (Reuters) - U.S. forces fired at a car carrying Italian reporter Giuliana Sgrena...... Gabriele Polo, the editor of Il Manifesto newspaper, said Sgrena's car was fired on as it made its way to Baghdad airport. What Reuters conveniently omits....... (from CNN) ....According to a multinational forces statement, the car approached the checkpoint at high speed about 9 p.m. (1 p.m. ET) U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals, flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car," the statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the engine block, which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding two others." In other words, US or other coalition forces used the same checkpoint procedures that have been in force in Iraq for a long, long time. Anyone..... anyone..... who approaches a military checkpoint in Iraq at night and fails to heed warnings is a silly damned fool, among other things, and must bear a large share of responsibility for ensuing events. Why am I not surprised? Sorry, but I usually don't accept statements of explanation from US military sources in the absence of independent verification. The military lies a lot. We've had example after example of this in Iraq. Harry, having caught this little bit of skullduggery, I 'unkillfiled' you just to see your response. It was cute. Back you go. John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." I'm sorry, John, but I live in a reality-based world, and that means I discount the US military's "explanations" for its screw-ups. The news here was that our military once again opened fire when it shouldn't have. You believe the military's explanation, I don't. You do not stop for a checkpoint with a bunch of armed men, and you think they won't shoot. That's their story. Happened in Watts, many years ago. You think that people would learn to listen to a guy with a gun. |
CNN's first paragraph in the lastest story posted (Friday, March 4,
2005 Posted: 9:18 PM EST (0218 GMT) BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- U.S. soldiers attempted to warn the occupants of a car carrying a freed Italian journalist before troops opened fire, killing a bodyguard and wounding the reporter, multinational officials said Friday night. |
I am sure Al Jazeera will verify for you, Harry. Are they credible
enough? |
krause
you are a liar are you off your meds again today?? Better bring on the tray again,,, couple of reds, couple of blues,, get a diaper change while your at it,, you're so full of **** I bet your eyes are brown. "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Curtis CCR wrote: CNN's first paragraph in the lastest story posted (Friday, March 4, 2005 Posted: 9:18 PM EST (0218 GMT) BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- U.S. soldiers attempted to warn the occupants of a car carrying a freed Italian journalist before troops opened fire, killing a bodyguard and wounding the reporter, multinational officials said Friday night. I'm sure there will be an investigation, and it might actually determine what happened. "Multinational officials" sounds suspiciously like "military apologists" to me. The military has been caught lying about such matters over and over and over in order to cover its backside. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ...... The military lies a lot. Ah! By your own lights, you DO have something in common with the military, after all. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message I understand there is to be an investigation about the shootings. If it is an honest investigation and not the typical military whitewash, then I will believe the results. And by what criteria will the honesty of the aforementioned investigation be determined? Whether or not the results conform to your predetermination? Pshaw! |
"John H" wrote in message "Reuters didn't leave it out, the poster of the story, Harry Krause according to this post, conveniently left it out. The whole story is he http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7814230 I stand corrected, but not surprised. But my original point remains: what the hell were they thinking? Who was the driver? If the driver was a local, was this another setup, to create a friendly fire incident upon which the world press would jump? |
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:08:31 -0500, "Some Guy" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message "Reuters didn't leave it out, the poster of the story, Harry Krause according to this post, conveniently left it out. The whole story is he http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7814230 I stand corrected, but not surprised. But my original point remains: what the hell were they thinking? Who was the driver? If the driver was a local, was this another setup, to create a friendly fire incident upon which the world press would jump? Having driven in Italy, by motorcycle, I can tell you that Italian drivers are the scariest bunch of people on the planet. They like to go fast and stop for nothing. The Italians have wasted a lot of money on their equivalent of 'yield' signs! Of course, it could be that an Italian wasn't driving, in which case I have no idea what was going on. John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:04:08 -0500, "Some Guy" wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message I understand there is to be an investigation about the shootings. If it is an honest investigation and not the typical military whitewash, then I will believe the results. And by what criteria will the honesty of the aforementioned investigation be determined? Whether or not the results conform to your predetermination? Pshaw! Hard to believe Harry is actually demanding honesty from anyone after this morning's example. John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 10:58:36 -0500, "Some Guy" wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ...... The military lies a lot. Ah! By your own lights, you DO have something in common with the military, after all. No, they have very little in common. The military is actually quite honest. John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
"John H" wrote in message No, they have very little in common. The military is actually quite honest. I agree, John, but was merely throwing his own hypocrisy back at him. |
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 19:30:32 -0500, "Some Guy" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message No, they have very little in common. The military is actually quite honest. I agree, John, but was merely throwing his own hypocrisy back at him. I know, I was just being assholeish. John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
"John H" wrote in message ... On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:08:31 -0500, "Some Guy" wrote: "John H" wrote in message "Reuters didn't leave it out, the poster of the story, Harry Krause according to this post, conveniently left it out. The whole story is he http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7814230 I stand corrected, but not surprised. But my original point remains: what the hell were they thinking? Who was the driver? If the driver was a local, was this another setup, to create a friendly fire incident upon which the world press would jump? Having driven in Italy, by motorcycle, I can tell you that Italian drivers are the scariest bunch of people on the planet. They like to go fast and stop for nothing. The Italians have wasted a lot of money on their equivalent of 'yield' signs! Of course, it could be that an Italian wasn't driving, in which case I have no idea what was going on. Romania was worse than Italy :-) John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:07:38 -0500, "P. Fritz"
wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:08:31 -0500, "Some Guy" wrote: "John H" wrote in message "Reuters didn't leave it out, the poster of the story, Harry Krause according to this post, conveniently left it out. The whole story is he http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7814230 I stand corrected, but not surprised. But my original point remains: what the hell were they thinking? Who was the driver? If the driver was a local, was this another setup, to create a friendly fire incident upon which the world press would jump? Having driven in Italy, by motorcycle, I can tell you that Italian drivers are the scariest bunch of people on the planet. They like to go fast and stop for nothing. The Italians have wasted a lot of money on their equivalent of 'yield' signs! Of course, it could be that an Italian wasn't driving, in which case I have no idea what was going on. Romania was worse than Italy :-) John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." I'm talking about cars, not horses! John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
"John H" wrote in message ... On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:07:38 -0500, "P. Fritz" wrote: "John H" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:08:31 -0500, "Some Guy" wrote: "John H" wrote in message "Reuters didn't leave it out, the poster of the story, Harry Krause according to this post, conveniently left it out. The whole story is he http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7814230 I stand corrected, but not surprised. But my original point remains: what the hell were they thinking? Who was the driver? If the driver was a local, was this another setup, to create a friendly fire incident upon which the world press would jump? Having driven in Italy, by motorcycle, I can tell you that Italian drivers are the scariest bunch of people on the planet. They like to go fast and stop for nothing. The Italians have wasted a lot of money on their equivalent of 'yield' signs! Of course, it could be that an Italian wasn't driving, in which case I have no idea what was going on. Romania was worse than Italy :-) John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." I'm talking about cars, not horses! These were cars.......but you had to dodge the occasional gypsy cart as well. To give you an example, if you had two lanes at a light.....you would have up to five cars in line all trying to get ahead..........you parked on the sidewalk if there wasn't room on the street....pass on the trolley lines....while playing chicken with the trolleys.......and in the country, hitchickers would step out in front of you car to get you to stop........it was nuts.. John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
What Reuters conveniently omits....... (from CNN) ....According to a multinational forces statement, the car approached the checkpoint at high speed about 9 p.m. (1 p.m. ET) U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals, flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car," the statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into the engine block, which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding two others." In other words, US or other coalition forces used the same checkpoint procedures that have been in force in Iraq for a long, long time. Anyone..... anyone..... who approaches a military checkpoint in Iraq at night and fails to heed warnings is a silly damned fool, among other things, and must bear a large share of responsibility for ensuing events. Why am I not surprised? Sorry, but I usually don't accept statements of explanation from US military sources in the absence of independent verification. The military lies a lot. We've had example after example of this in Iraq. And so does Harry. He lies all the time. Funny that certain things are left out....U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm signals, flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car. Anything to talk Bad about Americans and the American Troops... |
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