"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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John H wrote:

On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:29:27 -0500, "JimH" wrote:



"Some Guy" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message


ROME (Reuters) - U.S. forces fired at a car carrying Italian
reporter
Giuliana Sgrena......

Gabriele Polo, the editor of Il Manifesto newspaper, said Sgrena's
car
was fired on as it made its way to Baghdad airport.

What Reuters conveniently omits.......
(from CNN) ....According to a multinational forces statement, the

car

approached the checkpoint at high speed about 9 p.m. (1 p.m. ET)

U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm

signals,

flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the car,"

the

statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot into

the

engine block, which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding two
others."

In other words, US or other coalition forces used the same checkpoint
procedures that have been in force in Iraq for a long, long time.
Anyone..... anyone..... who approaches a military checkpoint in Iraq
at
night and fails to heed warnings is a silly damned fool, among other
things,
and must bear a large share of responsibility for ensuing events.



Why am I not surprised?


Sorry, but I usually don't accept statements of explanation from US
military sources in the absence of independent verification. The
military lies a lot. We've had example after example of this in Iraq.


So you edit the story to fit your agenda. Normal.



No, Bill, I just copied a couple of paragraphs, that's all. Tuck in your
conspiracy and zip up your fly.

When you consistently leave out the relevant paragraphs, then you are
fitting it to your agenda. Better pull up your pants, you are exposed.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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John H wrote:

On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:15:52 -0500, Harry Krause

wrote:


John H wrote:


On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:29:27 -0500, "JimH" wrote:




"Some Guy" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message



ROME (Reuters) - U.S. forces fired at a car carrying Italian

reporter

Giuliana Sgrena......

Gabriele Polo, the editor of Il Manifesto newspaper, said Sgrena's

car

was fired on as it made its way to Baghdad airport.

What Reuters conveniently omits.......
(from CNN) ....According to a multinational forces statement,
the

car

approached the checkpoint at high speed about 9 p.m. (1 p.m. ET)

U.S. troops "attempted to warn the driver to stop by hand and arm

signals,

flashing white lights, and firing warning shots in front of the
car,"

the

statement said. "When the driver didn't stop, the soldiers shot
into

the

engine block, which stopped the vehicle, killing one and wounding
two
others."

In other words, US or other coalition forces used the same
checkpoint
procedures that have been in force in Iraq for a long, long time.
Anyone..... anyone..... who approaches a military checkpoint in
Iraq

at

night and fails to heed warnings is a silly damned fool, among
other
things,
and must bear a large share of responsibility for ensuing events.



Why am I not surprised?


Sorry, but I usually don't accept statements of explanation from US
military sources in the absence of independent verification. The
military lies a lot. We've had example after example of this in Iraq.



Harry, having caught this little bit of skullduggery, I 'unkillfiled'

you just

to see your response.

It was cute.

Back you go.


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."



I'm sorry, John, but I live in a reality-based world, and that means I
discount the US military's "explanations" for its screw-ups. The news
here was that our military once again opened fire when it shouldn't
have. You believe the military's explanation, I don't.



You do not stop for a checkpoint with a bunch of armed men, and you
think
they won't shoot.

That's their story.

Happened in Watts, many years ago. You think that people would learn to
listen to a guy with a gun.

CNN's first paragraph in the lastest story posted (Friday, March 4,
2005 Posted: 9:18 PM EST (0218 GMT)

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- U.S. soldiers attempted to warn the occupants of
a car carrying a freed Italian journalist before troops opened fire,
killing a bodyguard and wounding the reporter, multinational officials
said Friday night.

I am sure Al Jazeera will verify for you, Harry. Are they credible
enough?

krause

you are a liar

are you off your meds again today??

Better bring on the tray again,,, couple of reds, couple of blues,, get a
diaper change while your at it,, you're so full of **** I bet your eyes are
brown.










"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Curtis CCR wrote:
CNN's first paragraph in the lastest story posted (Friday, March 4,
2005 Posted: 9:18 PM EST (0218 GMT)

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- U.S. soldiers attempted to warn the occupants of
a car carrying a freed Italian journalist before troops opened fire,
killing a bodyguard and wounding the reporter, multinational officials
said Friday night.


I'm sure there will be an investigation, and it might actually determine
what happened. "Multinational officials" sounds suspiciously like
"military apologists" to me. The military has been caught lying about such
matters over and over and over in order to cover its backside.

On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 13:29:13 GMT, wrote:

On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 05:04:56 GMT, WaIIy wrote:

On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 01:12:55 GMT, wrote:

On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 23:54:15 GMT, "Jack Goff" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Sorry, but I usually don't accept statements of explanation from US
military sources in the absence of independent verification. The
military lies a lot. We've had example after example of this in Iraq.

That's why we don't believe *anything* you post. You're more biased and
more of a liar than the military.

An edited "news" story from Harry. Of course...


At this point, Harry has a lot more veracity than the military. They have used
up all of their "OOps" passes.

BB


You're a fool to believe anything krouse posts.

That wouldn't change what I said at all!

BB

Don't you feel the same way about the liberal press, BB? Or anyone else who
posts 'half' the news?

There have been very few instances of documented military lying about incidents
in Iraq during this conflict. Your comment speaks more to scumbag Kerry's loss
than to reality.

But, with the closeness of your ties to Krause, I can understand the position
you have to take.


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

...... The military lies a lot.

Ah! By your own lights, you DO have something in common with the military,
after all.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

I understand there is to be an investigation about the shootings. If it
is an honest investigation and not the typical military whitewash, then
I will believe the results.

And by what criteria will the honesty of the aforementioned investigation be
determined? Whether or not the results conform to your predetermination?

Pshaw!

"John H" wrote in message

"Reuters didn't leave it out, the poster of the story, Harry Krause
according to
this post, conveniently left it out. The whole story is he

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7814230

I stand corrected, but not surprised. But my original point remains: what
the hell were they thinking? Who was the driver? If the driver was a
local, was this another setup, to create a friendly fire incident upon which
the world press would jump?

On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 11:08:31 -0500, "Some Guy" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message

"Reuters didn't leave it out, the poster of the story, Harry Krause
according to
this post, conveniently left it out. The whole story is he

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7814230

I stand corrected, but not surprised. But my original point remains: what
the hell were they thinking? Who was the driver? If the driver was a
local, was this another setup, to create a friendly fire incident upon which
the world press would jump?


Having driven in Italy, by motorcycle, I can tell you that Italian drivers are
the scariest bunch of people on the planet. They like to go fast and stop for
nothing. The Italians have wasted a lot of money on their equivalent of 'yield'
signs!

Of course, it could be that an Italian wasn't driving, in which case I have no
idea what was going on.


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."