That was kind of my take on it. I take more precautions out on a lake. I
really hope the news story left out many details that would help explain the
seeming lack of preparation. Many times these things are a string of little
items that add up to disaster. You know the stories, the emergency bag was
left in the car, the tow line broke etc. It all snowballs until it is too
late. It is the experienced person that knows to recognize the little things
coming together and stops them before it's too late. I did see that the
chase boat had engine failure, so that was one item in the chain. I will
assume that there were others that conspired against this group. I hope to
see a complete story at some point in the future so that we can all see just
how something like this happens. It might prevent someone else from falling
in the same trap.

Ken

"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message
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No Spam wrote:
It did not have a good ending.

*Rescuers Find Lost Teen Kayakers Dead *

The "chaperons" took a group of kid out on the gulf with no other means
of summoning help than a friggin' cell phone?!? MORONS! Their ineptitude
cost two innocent kids their lives.

A good read on the structure of accidents.

"Deep Survival - Who Lives, Who Dies, and Why" by Laurence Gonzales.



No Spam wrote:

That was kind of my take on it. I take more precautions out on a lake. I
really hope the news story left out many details that would help explain the
seeming lack of preparation. Many times these things are a string of little
items that add up to disaster. You know the stories, the emergency bag was
left in the car, the tow line broke etc. It all snowballs until it is too
late. It is the experienced person that knows to recognize the little things
coming together and stops them before it's too late. I did see that the
chase boat had engine failure, so that was one item in the chain. I will
assume that there were others that conspired against this group. I hope to
see a complete story at some point in the future so that we can all see just
how something like this happens. It might prevent someone else from falling
in the same trap.

Ken

"Brian Nystrom" wrote in message
...
No Spam wrote:
It did not have a good ending.

*Rescuers Find Lost Teen Kayakers Dead *

The "chaperons" took a group of kid out on the gulf with no other means
of summoning help than a friggin' cell phone?!? MORONS! Their ineptitude
cost two innocent kids their lives.

"No Spam" wrote in message
news:j38Vd.38241$ya6.25850@trndny01...
That was kind of my take on it...

And many would agree.

I beg to differ. Reduce all of life's risks to the bare minimum and you end
up with a generation of children who grow up to live their lives on Usenet.

Wolfgang
who would rather see them drown.

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"No Spam" wrote in message
news:j38Vd.38241$ya6.25850@trndny01...
That was kind of my take on it...

And many would agree.

I beg to differ. Reduce all of life's risks to the bare
minimum and you end up with a generation of children who grow
up to live their lives on Usenet.

Wolfgang
who would rather see them drown.

wow

"rick" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"No Spam" wrote in message
news:j38Vd.38241$ya6.25850@trndny01...
That was kind of my take on it...

And many would agree.

I beg to differ. Reduce all of life's risks to the bare minimum and you
end up with a generation of children who grow up to live their lives on
Usenet.

Wolfgang
who would rather see them drown.

wow

Hey, they could grow up to be you.

Wolfgang

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"rick" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"No Spam" wrote in message
news:j38Vd.38241$ya6.25850@trndny01...
That was kind of my take on it...

And many would agree.

I beg to differ. Reduce all of life's risks to the bare
minimum and you end up with a generation of children who grow
up to live their lives on Usenet.

Wolfgang
who would rather see them drown.

wow

Hey, they could grow up to be you.
===============
which only to a psychopath would think is worse than dead...
Thanks for showing how you would treat those that disagree with
you...




Wolfgang

"rick" wrote in message
news

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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Hey, they could grow up to be you.
===============
which only to a psychopath would think is worse than dead...
Thanks for showing how you would treat those that disagree with
you...

To the best of my admittedly imperfect recollection, I have never
actually killed anyone who disagreed with me. Um.....family history
is another matter entirely, but that would take us deeper into the old
nature versus nurture conundrum than I care to delve at the moment. I
can think of only one instance in which someone who frequently
disagreed with me subsequently died, an unfortunate circumstance in
which, I hasten to remind the reader, I was never formally indicted.
I despair of my ability to make you understand and fully appreciate
how comforting it is to know that when my turn comes, I will be
mourned by such a paragon of logical precision, lexical dexterity and
deep seated humanity as your own inestimable self.

Wolfgang
who, it should not be necessary to add, will decline all offers to
join any lynch mob planning to pay a visit to the leaders of the
ill-fated expedition alluded to in this thread, with whom, when all is
said and done, he probably disagrees about some things.

"rick" wrote in message
news

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"rick" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"No Spam" wrote in message
news:j38Vd.38241$ya6.25850@trndny01...
That was kind of my take on it...

And many would agree.

I beg to differ. Reduce all of life's risks to the bare minimum and
you end up with a generation of children who grow up to live their
lives on Usenet.

Wolfgang
who would rather see them drown.

wow

Hey, they could grow up to be you.
===============
which only to a psychopath would think is worse than dead...
Thanks for showing how you would treat those that disagree with you...


Easy, Rick. You and Wolfie are arguing on the same side here. His point was
that IF we reduced all of life's risks the bare minimum, we would end up
with a bunch of fat lazy kids who spend their life on Usenet. This is so
distasteful that he would rather see them do outdoorsy things, take risks,
and sometimes potentially drown. I believe we are in agreement that its
better to take risks (possibly fatal) to hide from them. I know I agree with
that.

When he said "hey they could grow up to be you", he said that in a neutral
was just to bait you. You took it as a condescention, but he meant it as a
veiled compliment: you're a risk taker....they could grow up to be like you.
Your response was precisely the type of misinterpretation that he was hoping
for.

He's a master at this kind of neutral statement that can be taken two ways.
Its fun to watch, if youre not the target.

--riverman
(who KNOWS he's gonna get his comeuppance for this....)

"riverman" wrote in message
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...He's a master...

snipped remainder of embarrassingly effusive flattery

As you well know, I could use the services of a full time publicist. I
couldn't pay much......at least for the time being......but it would be a
lot more exciting than that tedious little stint you did down in Africa.

Whattya say?

Wolfgang
incoming!

riverman wrote:

[snip some]

He [Wolfgang] is a master at this kind of neutral statement that can
be taken two ways. Its fun to watch, if youre not the target.


Heh heh; a-firmative, Myron. Wolfgang also, undoubtedly, knows that
Rick is easy.


-Richard, His Kanubic Travesty
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