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basskisser January 14th 04 04:18 PM

More Republican force-fed Ignorance, or "Martians"
 
Mars Needs Dim Republicans
Dubya dons a shiny spacesuit, dreams of spending billions to meet
little green men. The nation cringes

By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist Wednesday, January 14, 2004

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------




Oh right like this is exactly what we need.


Let us imagine the discussion: "Boys, the nation's in massive reeling
record-breaking debt and morale's at an all-time low and disposable
American soldiers are dying brutal horrific deaths every day over
nothing at all except our greed and flagrant cronyism and corporate
petrochemical profiteering.

"Our cities are gasping and health care is a joke and we've mauled
Medicare beyond recognition, and we're plundering the living hell out
of Social Security, the last remaining stable and sound fund left, to
try and shore up our rapacious and gluttonous spending.

"There are no WMDs and our former allies openly resent us and the poll
ratings are slipping and the big glops of warmongering lies are drying
like blood stains into a carpet. And it's an election year. Damn.

"What's to be done? What could rally a wary country during its time of
humiliated need and force-fed ignorance? What could turn this troubled
nation around in the face of oily corporate war and fiscal gluttony
and environmental savagery?

"Why, neato space stations on the moon, and sending men to Mars,
that's what!"

Yes indeed. Leave it to BushCo to try and slap an astronomically
expensive, useless balm on the nation's gaping wounds by vainly
attempting to recapture some of that droning faux-'50s and -'60s
nostalgia no one really asked for.

Remember that time? The "greatest generation"? A time when white-bread
repressed often unhappily married segregationist America gathered
'round the ol' black-and-white to gaze in passionate wonder at the
images beamed back from the Apollo landings?

What a time it was. Don't you want some of that sense of desperate
hopefulness back? Of course you do. Got $500 billion to pay for it?
Hey, that was the cost estimate for a similar man-on-Mars scheme when
Dubya Sr. proposed it in 1989, just before he was promptly laughed off
the fiscal stage.

Of course, like every obscene BushCo proposal, there was never a
mention of how NASA could ever possibly pay for such a venture, and no
mention of how BushCo could rape the Treasury that much further to
fund random exercises in ridiculous excess. Oh well.

Look at it this way. Dubya will, by every account, go down as the
worst environmental president in American history. He will also be
remembered as the most blindly warmongering president and the least
articulate president and the most corporate-shilling president and the
most flagrantly fraudulent and borderline treasonous president.

And, hence, you can bet your big snakeskin Texas cowboy boots he wants
this "big ol' Mars thingy" to be some sort of, you know, legacy. He
wants his name in the history books as the one who decided to meet the
little green men. He wants to stick a flag in the rusty planet and
claim it in the name of, you kow, Ronald Reagan.

This from a man who never cared a whit for space exploration in his
entire spoon-fed career, a man who never even once visited the famed
Johnson Space Center in Houston while serving as Texas governor. And
just know half the impulse for this inane new idea is so Shrub can get
himself flown to the space-shuttle launch pad and have his picture
taken in a shiny spacesuit. How cute.

It's got that reek. It's got that reek of typical macho Republican
election-year BS, the sort of hollow grandiose chest thumping that
stains so many BushCo PR stunts, all war and guns and rockets and oil
and big slabs of chemically blasted hormone injected semirancid Texas
beef (hey, it's what's for dinner).

Look. NASA is wonderful. Space exploration is magnificent and
essential and we learn enormous amounts about ourselves in the
process. The Spirit rover on Mars right now? Breathtaking.

Astounding new technologies are developed during major NASA missions,
ideas that trickle down into the cultural mainstream and make life, if
not easier, then at least more interesting, or lighter, or thinner, or
edible at temperatures down to minus 450 degrees with a battery pack
that lasts 127 hours and a new infrared extrasensory ink that can be
read by blind comatose monkeys. Space is good.

But look again. Our schools are desperate. The Wal-Mart/SUV mentality
is a national cancer. Basic services nationwide are being starved and
shut down as cities scramble for fiscal scraps. John Ashcroft still
has a job.

The national treasury has been looted and plundered like never before
in American history, toppling from a record surplus to a record
deficit in a little over three years, with 3.1 million newly
unemployed Americans as a bitter kicker. That tiny blip of an economic
"recovery" you keep reading about? Tell that to your unemployed
neighbors.

And it's just shy of appalling that BushCo is suddenly all atwitter
over a massive, impossible, ridiculously expensive scheme to send a
manned mission to Mars, when any 5-year-old could come up with roughly
2,323 more vital and needful areas where such huge sums of money could
be spent. Can you think of five, just off the top of your head, as you
step around that homeless person? Damn right you can.

Do we need to recall that sucker-punch $87 bil BushCo reamed through
Congress to help pay for our continued occupation of Iraq, a nation
that doesn't want us and was never a threat to us and that is now
equaling Vietnam in costs, both fiscal and humanitarian? Does Mars
mean we get to bring our troops home and save those budget-gutting
billions and redirect them toward something progressive? One guess.

Maybe we should just shrug it off. Just dismiss it as yet another a
silly exercise in political ego and bogus machismo. After all, it's
all about big dumb gesture, all about trying to cover up appalling
atrocities and insulting policy in an election year -- much like
suddenly pretending to care about immigrants, or health care, or gay
rights, when your party defines itself as the world headquarters of
homophobic pro-corporate isolationism.

This is what it boils down to, really: a big joke. There will be no
men on Mars in 2020. There will be no massive, super-keen space
station on the moon anytime soon. Even BushCo's own financial advisers
openly cringe when the Mumbly One tosses up such an obvious and
impossibly costly PR stunt, one so clearly designed to instill a false
sense of hope and "America rules!" faux patriotism in a country
heavily drugged on fear and false righteousness.

All well and good, right? All just silly politics as usual, really,
just so much election-year flatulence from the administration that
brought you the New Vietnam.

That is, until you realize who the joke is on.

DSK January 14th 04 04:23 PM

More Republican force-fed Ignorance, or "Martians"
 
basskisser wrote:


... half the impulse for this inane new idea is so Shrub can get
himself flown to the space-shuttle launch pad and have his picture
taken in a shiny spacesuit. How cute.


I want to see GWB land the space shuttle on a carrier.

Does this count as a boating-related on-topic post?

DSK


Dave Hall January 14th 04 05:23 PM

More Republican force-fed Ignorance, or "Martians"
 
On 14 Jan 2004 08:18:00 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

Mars Needs Dim Republicans
Dubya dons a shiny spacesuit, dreams of spending billions to meet
little green men. The nation cringes

By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist Wednesday, January 14, 2004

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------




Oh right like this is exactly what we need.



Gee, his partisan bias and lack of vision isn't too glaringly
apparent is it?


Another whining liberal.......


Dave

Capt. Frank Hopkins January 14th 04 05:39 PM

More Republican force-fed Ignorance, or "Martians"
 
Well Bass,
Bush got elected by a "questionable" 347 votes in Florida. I don't think
that will happen again.

I do think that a Mars/Moon program would provide massive jobs IF the
parts, software, and supplies and raw materials are "Made In USA"

Walmart/SUV mentality. It is really getting difficult to find
American Made products. Last night I was in Office Depot and saw this
nifty American Flag Stamp. In 2 colors and well detailed. I was about to
buy it until I turned it over and the sticker read "Made in China." I
looked on shelf after shelf and could not find even 1 item made in the
"good ole USA." I must admit, I was gloomy after shopping.

On to Best Buys, I reached for an RCA (Radio Corporation of America)
video camera, and lo and behold, it was made in Korea. So, I ended up
going home with out buying anything.

You see, my own way of protesting is not to buy foreign made products.

Regards,

Capt. Frank

basskisser wrote:

Mars Needs Dim Republicans
Dubya dons a shiny spacesuit, dreams of spending billions to meet
little green men. The nation cringes

By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist Wednesday, January 14, 2004

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------




Oh right like this is exactly what we need.


Let us imagine the discussion: "Boys, the nation's in massive reeling
record-breaking debt and morale's at an all-time low and disposable
American soldiers are dying brutal horrific deaths every day over
nothing at all except our greed and flagrant cronyism and corporate
petrochemical profiteering.

"Our cities are gasping and health care is a joke and we've mauled
Medicare beyond recognition, and we're plundering the living hell out
of Social Security, the last remaining stable and sound fund left, to
try and shore up our rapacious and gluttonous spending.

"There are no WMDs and our former allies openly resent us and the poll
ratings are slipping and the big glops of warmongering lies are drying
like blood stains into a carpet. And it's an election year. Damn.

"What's to be done? What could rally a wary country during its time of
humiliated need and force-fed ignorance? What could turn this troubled
nation around in the face of oily corporate war and fiscal gluttony
and environmental savagery?

"Why, neato space stations on the moon, and sending men to Mars,
that's what!"

Yes indeed. Leave it to BushCo to try and slap an astronomically
expensive, useless balm on the nation's gaping wounds by vainly
attempting to recapture some of that droning faux-'50s and -'60s
nostalgia no one really asked for.

Remember that time? The "greatest generation"? A time when white-bread
repressed often unhappily married segregationist America gathered
'round the ol' black-and-white to gaze in passionate wonder at the
images beamed back from the Apollo landings?

What a time it was. Don't you want some of that sense of desperate
hopefulness back? Of course you do. Got $500 billion to pay for it?
Hey, that was the cost estimate for a similar man-on-Mars scheme when
Dubya Sr. proposed it in 1989, just before he was promptly laughed off
the fiscal stage.

Of course, like every obscene BushCo proposal, there was never a
mention of how NASA could ever possibly pay for such a venture, and no
mention of how BushCo could rape the Treasury that much further to
fund random exercises in ridiculous excess. Oh well.

Look at it this way. Dubya will, by every account, go down as the
worst environmental president in American history. He will also be
remembered as the most blindly warmongering president and the least
articulate president and the most corporate-shilling president and the
most flagrantly fraudulent and borderline treasonous president.

And, hence, you can bet your big snakeskin Texas cowboy boots he wants
this "big ol' Mars thingy" to be some sort of, you know, legacy. He
wants his name in the history books as the one who decided to meet the
little green men. He wants to stick a flag in the rusty planet and
claim it in the name of, you kow, Ronald Reagan.

This from a man who never cared a whit for space exploration in his
entire spoon-fed career, a man who never even once visited the famed
Johnson Space Center in Houston while serving as Texas governor. And
just know half the impulse for this inane new idea is so Shrub can get
himself flown to the space-shuttle launch pad and have his picture
taken in a shiny spacesuit. How cute.

It's got that reek. It's got that reek of typical macho Republican
election-year BS, the sort of hollow grandiose chest thumping that
stains so many BushCo PR stunts, all war and guns and rockets and oil
and big slabs of chemically blasted hormone injected semirancid Texas
beef (hey, it's what's for dinner).

Look. NASA is wonderful. Space exploration is magnificent and
essential and we learn enormous amounts about ourselves in the
process. The Spirit rover on Mars right now? Breathtaking.

Astounding new technologies are developed during major NASA missions,
ideas that trickle down into the cultural mainstream and make life, if
not easier, then at least more interesting, or lighter, or thinner, or
edible at temperatures down to minus 450 degrees with a battery pack
that lasts 127 hours and a new infrared extrasensory ink that can be
read by blind comatose monkeys. Space is good.

But look again. Our schools are desperate. The Wal-Mart/SUV mentality
is a national cancer. Basic services nationwide are being starved and
shut down as cities scramble for fiscal scraps. John Ashcroft still
has a job.

The national treasury has been looted and plundered like never before
in American history, toppling from a record surplus to a record
deficit in a little over three years, with 3.1 million newly
unemployed Americans as a bitter kicker. That tiny blip of an economic
"recovery" you keep reading about? Tell that to your unemployed
neighbors.

And it's just shy of appalling that BushCo is suddenly all atwitter
over a massive, impossible, ridiculously expensive scheme to send a
manned mission to Mars, when any 5-year-old could come up with roughly
2,323 more vital and needful areas where such huge sums of money could
be spent. Can you think of five, just off the top of your head, as you
step around that homeless person? Damn right you can.

Do we need to recall that sucker-punch $87 bil BushCo reamed through
Congress to help pay for our continued occupation of Iraq, a nation
that doesn't want us and was never a threat to us and that is now
equaling Vietnam in costs, both fiscal and humanitarian? Does Mars
mean we get to bring our troops home and save those budget-gutting
billions and redirect them toward something progressive? One guess.

Maybe we should just shrug it off. Just dismiss it as yet another a
silly exercise in political ego and bogus machismo. After all, it's
all about big dumb gesture, all about trying to cover up appalling
atrocities and insulting policy in an election year -- much like
suddenly pretending to care about immigrants, or health care, or gay
rights, when your party defines itself as the world headquarters of
homophobic pro-corporate isolationism.

This is what it boils down to, really: a big joke. There will be no
men on Mars in 2020. There will be no massive, super-keen space
station on the moon anytime soon. Even BushCo's own financial advisers
openly cringe when the Mumbly One tosses up such an obvious and
impossibly costly PR stunt, one so clearly designed to instill a false
sense of hope and "America rules!" faux patriotism in a country
heavily drugged on fear and false righteousness.

All well and good, right? All just silly politics as usual, really,
just so much election-year flatulence from the administration that
brought you the New Vietnam.

That is, until you realize who the joke is on.



Doug Kanter January 14th 04 07:55 PM

More Republican force-fed Ignorance, or "Martians"
 
Only in America could a song like this NOT be seen as a goof:

I.G.Y. (International Geophysical Year)
Donald Fagen

Standing tough under stars and stripes
We can tell
This dream's in sight
You've got to admit it
At this point in time that it's clear
The future looks bright
On that train all graphite and glitter
Undersea by rail
Ninety minutes from NewYork to Paris
Well by seventy-six we'll be A.O.K.

What a beautiful world this will be
What a glorious time to be free

Get your ticket to that wheel in space
While there's time
The fix is in
You'll be a witness to that game of chance in the sky
You know we've go to win
Here at home we'll play in the city
Powered by the sun
Perfect weather for a streamlined world
There'll be spandex jackets one for everyone

What a beautiful world this'll be
What a glorious time to be free

On that train all graphite and glitter
Undersea by rail
Ninety minutes from NewYork to Paris
(More leisure for artists everywhere)
A just machine to make big decisions
Programmed by fellows with compassion and vision
We'll be clean when their work is done
We'll be eternally free yes and eternally young

What a beautiful world this'll be
What a glorious time to be free.....



jps January 14th 04 08:22 PM

More Republican force-fed Ignorance, or "Martians"
 
In article . net,
says...
Well Bass,
Bush got elected by a "questionable" 347 votes in Florida. I don't think
that will happen again.

I do think that a Mars/Moon program would provide massive jobs IF the
parts, software, and supplies and raw materials are "Made In USA"

Walmart/SUV mentality. It is really getting difficult to find
American Made products. Last night I was in Office Depot and saw this
nifty American Flag Stamp. In 2 colors and well detailed. I was about to
buy it until I turned it over and the sticker read "Made in China." I
looked on shelf after shelf and could not find even 1 item made in the
"good ole USA." I must admit, I was gloomy after shopping.

On to Best Buys, I reached for an RCA (Radio Corporation of America)
video camera, and lo and behold, it was made in Korea. So, I ended up
going home with out buying anything.

You see, my own way of protesting is not to buy foreign made products.

Regards,

Capt. Frank


Well done Frank. I wish someone would take this cause up for real.
While corporations have no legal responsibility (nor the moral cahones)
to support their own country, consumers do.

jps

NOYB January 14th 04 09:16 PM

More Republican force-fed Ignorance, or "Martians"
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
says...
Well Bass,
Bush got elected by a "questionable" 347 votes in Florida. I don't think
that will happen again.

I do think that a Mars/Moon program would provide massive jobs IF the
parts, software, and supplies and raw materials are "Made In USA"

Walmart/SUV mentality. It is really getting difficult to find
American Made products. Last night I was in Office Depot and saw this
nifty American Flag Stamp. In 2 colors and well detailed. I was about to
buy it until I turned it over and the sticker read "Made in China." I
looked on shelf after shelf and could not find even 1 item made in the
"good ole USA." I must admit, I was gloomy after shopping.

On to Best Buys, I reached for an RCA (Radio Corporation of America)
video camera, and lo and behold, it was made in Korea. So, I ended up
going home with out buying anything.

You see, my own way of protesting is not to buy foreign made products.

Regards,

Capt. Frank


Well done Frank. I wish someone would take this cause up for real.
While corporations have no legal responsibility (nor the moral cahones)
to support their own country, consumers do.


Yeah, let's do a total boycott of all foreign goods! Enjoy your
walk...'cause you will not find an automobile made in the U.S. from parts
made only in the U.S. While you're at it, you better sew your own
shoes...'cause I doubt you'll find a pair made in the U.S. from materials
made only in the U.S.






jps January 14th 04 09:26 PM

More Republican force-fed Ignorance, or "Martians"
 
In article et,
says...

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
says...
Well Bass,
Bush got elected by a "questionable" 347 votes in Florida. I don't think
that will happen again.

I do think that a Mars/Moon program would provide massive jobs IF the
parts, software, and supplies and raw materials are "Made In USA"

Walmart/SUV mentality. It is really getting difficult to find
American Made products. Last night I was in Office Depot and saw this
nifty American Flag Stamp. In 2 colors and well detailed. I was about to
buy it until I turned it over and the sticker read "Made in China." I
looked on shelf after shelf and could not find even 1 item made in the
"good ole USA." I must admit, I was gloomy after shopping.

On to Best Buys, I reached for an RCA (Radio Corporation of America)
video camera, and lo and behold, it was made in Korea. So, I ended up
going home with out buying anything.

You see, my own way of protesting is not to buy foreign made products.

Regards,

Capt. Frank


Well done Frank. I wish someone would take this cause up for real.
While corporations have no legal responsibility (nor the moral cahones)
to support their own country, consumers do.


Yeah, let's do a total boycott of all foreign goods! Enjoy your
walk...'cause you will not find an automobile made in the U.S. from parts
made only in the U.S. While you're at it, you better sew your own
shoes...'cause I doubt you'll find a pair made in the U.S. from materials
made only in the U.S.


You are an extremist. More selectivity along with a clear campaign led
by consumer advocates might really help our current situation.

I'm really curious if a large enough percentage of people would in fact
pay a little more for an American made product if that differentiation
were made evident.

Doug Kanter January 14th 04 09:33 PM

More Republican force-fed Ignorance, or "Martians"
 
"jps" wrote in message
...


You are an extremist. More selectivity along with a clear campaign led
by consumer advocates might really help our current situation.

I'm really curious if a large enough percentage of people would in fact
pay a little more for an American made product if that differentiation
were made evident.


Here's a strange idea: Write letters to companies that listen. Paper
letters, in envelopes, with a stamps. I recently wrote one to LL Bean, and
got a phonecall back from some guy a week later, saying that they're getting
quite a bit of feedback about foreign-made items, particularly from men, who
are less likely than women to view clothing as 1-year throwaway items.
Unfortunately, this takes effort. Sometimes you have to pick up the phone
and ask for the CEO's name and the correct address for a paper letter. This
takes almost a minute sometimes.



NOYB January 14th 04 09:46 PM

More Republican force-fed Ignorance, or "Martians"
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article et,
says...

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
says...
Well Bass,
Bush got elected by a "questionable" 347 votes in Florida. I don't

think
that will happen again.

I do think that a Mars/Moon program would provide massive jobs IF

the
parts, software, and supplies and raw materials are "Made In USA"

Walmart/SUV mentality. It is really getting difficult to find
American Made products. Last night I was in Office Depot and saw

this
nifty American Flag Stamp. In 2 colors and well detailed. I was

about to
buy it until I turned it over and the sticker read "Made in China."

I
looked on shelf after shelf and could not find even 1 item made in

the
"good ole USA." I must admit, I was gloomy after shopping.

On to Best Buys, I reached for an RCA (Radio Corporation of America)
video camera, and lo and behold, it was made in Korea. So, I ended

up
going home with out buying anything.

You see, my own way of protesting is not to buy foreign made

products.

Regards,

Capt. Frank

Well done Frank. I wish someone would take this cause up for real.
While corporations have no legal responsibility (nor the moral

cahones)
to support their own country, consumers do.


Yeah, let's do a total boycott of all foreign goods! Enjoy your
walk...'cause you will not find an automobile made in the U.S. from

parts
made only in the U.S. While you're at it, you better sew your own
shoes...'cause I doubt you'll find a pair made in the U.S. from

materials
made only in the U.S.


You are an extremist. More selectivity along with a clear campaign led
by consumer advocates might really help our current situation.

I'm really curious if a large enough percentage of people would in fact
pay a little more for an American made product if that differentiation
were made evident.


I would. However, historically, the answer has been "no". It's not just
corporations' profits driving corporations overseas...the consumer's desire
for the lowest priced good is driving 'em away.





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