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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
... But that does not negate the fact that a great many do. Union rules are made to benefit those who don't aspire to be the very best that they can be. All union rules? Who said anything about *all* rules? There you go again assuming an absolute and then attributing the claim to me. You said "Union rules are made to benefit......". You did not say "some", "a few", etc. Sounds like you meant "all", until you were pushed to the wall and forced to recant. Do you know why they came to exist initially? Sure, and most of those reasons are long gone. Really? Are you sure you might not want to spend some time doing research this weekend, so you can come back and recant that statement, too? Here's a teaser for you, but there are plenty more out there, and recent ones, too. http://www.labornotes.org/archives/1999/0499/0499b.html In other words they are protectionist, and foster an attitude of mediocrity. All union rules are protectionist? There you go again. Can't you contemplate an issue without going to absolute extremes? You said "...they are protectionist....". You did not modify your statement with other words like "some". You are now recanting your statement. What about rules regarding safety and working conditions? What about them? They are no better than those mandated by OSHA. In cases where a union gets written legal agreements for certain safety standards, they establish a system of recourse that holds up in court. This is often more effective than waiting for OSHA, a beaurocracy, to offer an opinion. |
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Go to B&H Photo for your film, if you can't find it locally. I'm lucky
enough to have Rochester Institute of Technology here, so there are a couple of amazing photo stores that stock almost everything. For stuff they don't stock, I've ordered from B&H and been happy. www.bhphotovideo.com "Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message ink.net... Unfortunately that is true. Kodak optics are not the best. They use a lot of plastic lens technology, which is adequate for throw away cameras, but not too good for the semi professional quality I am looking for. This is probably a good reason for Kodak being the overall #3 loser in stock prices last year. I suppose, I shall have to keep the old Roliflex a few more years if I can still find 120 film. I have the same problem with super-8 movie film. Still, I wish I could find a good quality, USA built, video camera. There just don't seem to be any at all. Maybe a few of us in this group should get together and make a new american manufacturing company. We could build high quality widgets, and people will pay for quality! Investor Call! Capt. Frank Doug Kanter wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message om... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "basskisser" wrote in message .com... "Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message link.net... Well Bass, Bush got elected by a "questionable" 347 votes in Florida. I don't think that will happen again. I do think that a Mars/Moon program would provide massive jobs IF the parts, software, and supplies and raw materials are "Made In USA" Absolutely! Very good points! Well....except for the cameras, of course, since we haven't made a decent camera here since the early 1950s. Kodak is coming around with their new digital cameras. Like I said..... :-) They're a great company. I use lots of their film and chemicals. But, with the exception of joint projects with Nikon, and specialty items made for the government, they haven't had decent optics in almost 50 years. |
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Thanks Doug! Not only do they have the film, but also offer processing,
and at a lower rate then I have been paying at the local "specialty lab." Capt. Frank Doug Kanter wrote: Go to B&H Photo for your film, if you can't find it locally. I'm lucky enough to have Rochester Institute of Technology here, so there are a couple of amazing photo stores that stock almost everything. For stuff they don't stock, I've ordered from B&H and been happy. www.bhphotovideo.com "Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message ink.net... Unfortunately that is true. Kodak optics are not the best. They use a lot of plastic lens technology, which is adequate for throw away cameras, but not too good for the semi professional quality I am looking for. This is probably a good reason for Kodak being the overall #3 loser in stock prices last year. I suppose, I shall have to keep the old Roliflex a few more years if I can still find 120 film. I have the same problem with super-8 movie film. Still, I wish I could find a good quality, USA built, video camera. There just don't seem to be any at all. Maybe a few of us in this group should get together and make a new american manufacturing company. We could build high quality widgets, and people will pay for quality! Investor Call! Capt. Frank Doug Kanter wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message e.com... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "basskisser" wrote in message le.com... "Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message . earthlink.net... Well Bass, Bush got elected by a "questionable" 347 votes in Florida. I don't think that will happen again. I do think that a Mars/Moon program would provide massive jobs IF the parts, software, and supplies and raw materials are "Made In USA" Absolutely! Very good points! Well....except for the cameras, of course, since we haven't made a decent camera here since the early 1950s. Kodak is coming around with their new digital cameras. Like I said..... :-) They're a great company. I use lots of their film and chemicals. But, with the exception of joint projects with Nikon, and specialty items made for the government, they haven't had decent optics in almost 50 years. |
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By the way, they also offer "grey market" goods for most cameras & lenses.
In other words, product that was intended for other countries and has a different warranty. You'll usually see this offered alongside the normal USA product. For some stuff, the warranty may not be that crucial to you, so it's worth a look. And, it's the same product anyway, at least when it's from any of the name-brand established manufacturer's that we're all familiar with. "Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message link.net... Thanks Doug! Not only do they have the film, but also offer processing, and at a lower rate then I have been paying at the local "specialty lab." Capt. Frank Doug Kanter wrote: Go to B&H Photo for your film, if you can't find it locally. I'm lucky enough to have Rochester Institute of Technology here, so there are a couple of amazing photo stores that stock almost everything. For stuff they don't stock, I've ordered from B&H and been happy. www.bhphotovideo.com "Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message ink.net... Unfortunately that is true. Kodak optics are not the best. They use a lot of plastic lens technology, which is adequate for throw away cameras, but not too good for the semi professional quality I am looking for. This is probably a good reason for Kodak being the overall #3 loser in stock prices last year. I suppose, I shall have to keep the old Roliflex a few more years if I can still find 120 film. I have the same problem with super-8 movie film. Still, I wish I could find a good quality, USA built, video camera. There just don't seem to be any at all. Maybe a few of us in this group should get together and make a new american manufacturing company. We could build high quality widgets, and people will pay for quality! Investor Call! Capt. Frank Doug Kanter wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message e.com... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "basskisser" wrote in message le.com... "Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message . earthlink.net... Well Bass, Bush got elected by a "questionable" 347 votes in Florida. I don't think that will happen again. I do think that a Mars/Moon program would provide massive jobs IF the parts, software, and supplies and raw materials are "Made In USA" Absolutely! Very good points! Well....except for the cameras, of course, since we haven't made a decent camera here since the early 1950s. Kodak is coming around with their new digital cameras. Like I said..... :-) They're a great company. I use lots of their film and chemicals. But, with the exception of joint projects with Nikon, and specialty items made for the government, they haven't had decent optics in almost 50 years. |
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Hi Doug. Isn't the "gray market" an interesting phenomena? The same
product is worth less in another country! How clever! Its what I ment in a post some time ago about the value of manufactured goods not being absolute. BTW. Did you know: A 20 oz coke you pay $1.09 costs 1.7326 cents to manufacture and ship! (Source; 1998 stockholder's report) Now That's what I call a markup! A Chevy Silverado Pickup that costs $28,894.00 (msrp) Costs $1278.00 to manufacture. The paint & tires are the most expensive components. (source; 2002 stockholder's report) A $10,000 diamond ring costs $42.00 to make + the diamond. Diamonds are a free product of nature, and the value is artificially kept high by DeBeers Inc, who holds the world wide monopoly on the stones. All diamonds are supplied through Debeers Inc. There are approximately 1000 tons of unreleased diamonds in DeBeers vaults. Now that is what I call a markup! (Source; The Lapidary Journal) Capt. Frank Doug Kanter wrote: By the way, they also offer "grey market" goods for most cameras & lenses. In other words, product that was intended for other countries and has a different warranty. You'll usually see this offered alongside the normal USA product. For some stuff, the warranty may not be that crucial to you, so it's worth a look. And, it's the same product anyway, at least when it's from any of the name-brand established manufacturer's that we're all familiar with. "Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message link.net... Thanks Doug! Not only do they have the film, but also offer processing, and at a lower rate then I have been paying at the local "specialty lab." Capt. Frank Doug Kanter wrote: Go to B&H Photo for your film, if you can't find it locally. I'm lucky enough to have Rochester Institute of Technology here, so there are a couple of amazing photo stores that stock almost everything. For stuff they don't stock, I've ordered from B&H and been happy. www.bhphotovideo.com "Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message thlink.net... Unfortunately that is true. Kodak optics are not the best. They use a lot of plastic lens technology, which is adequate for throw away cameras, but not too good for the semi professional quality I am looking for. This is probably a good reason for Kodak being the overall #3 loser in stock prices last year. I suppose, I shall have to keep the old Roliflex a few more years if I can still find 120 film. I have the same problem with super-8 movie film. Still, I wish I could find a good quality, USA built, video camera. There just don't seem to be any at all. Maybe a few of us in this group should get together and make a new american manufacturing company. We could build high quality widgets, and people will pay for quality! Investor Call! Capt. Frank Doug Kanter wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message gle.com... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "basskisser" wrote in message ogle.com... "Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message s.earthlink.net... Well Bass, Bush got elected by a "questionable" 347 votes in Florida. I don't think that will happen again. I do think that a Mars/Moon program would provide massive jobs IF the parts, software, and supplies and raw materials are "Made In USA" Absolutely! Very good points! Well....except for the cameras, of course, since we haven't made a decent camera here since the early 1950s. Kodak is coming around with their new digital cameras. Like I said..... :-) They're a great company. I use lots of their film and chemicals. But, with the exception of joint projects with Nikon, and specialty items made for the government, they haven't had decent optics in almost 50 years. |
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"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
ink.net... A Chevy Silverado Pickup that costs $28,894.00 (msrp) Costs $1278.00 to manufacture. The paint & tires are the most expensive components. (source; 2002 stockholder's report) This sounds fishy, although I'm basing my opinion on a Toyota pickup truck. Might be different for the wannabe car companies. :-) |
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Hi Doug,
Thanks for picking up on that. It should have read Chevy Silverado (SOURCE: 1998 Stockholder's report) and the coke was the 2002 stockholder's report. BTW. Coke-a-Cola has been by consistant best stock for years. I am far from the world's best typist. Capt. Frank Doug Kanter wrote: "Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message ink.net... A Chevy Silverado Pickup that costs $28,894.00 (msrp) Costs $1278.00 to manufacture. The paint & tires are the most expensive components. (source; 2002 stockholder's report) This sounds fishy, although I'm basing my opinion on a Toyota pickup truck. Might be different for the wannabe car companies. :-) |
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:12:17 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "Dave Hall" wrote in message .. . But that does not negate the fact that a great many do. Union rules are made to benefit those who don't aspire to be the very best that they can be. All union rules? Who said anything about *all* rules? There you go again assuming an absolute and then attributing the claim to me. You said "Union rules are made to benefit......". You did not say "some", "a few", etc. Sounds like you meant "all", until you were pushed to the wall and forced to recant. I've recanted nothing. I've just corrected your misinterpretation. Do you know why they came to exist initially? Sure, and most of those reasons are long gone. Really? Are you sure you might not want to spend some time doing research this weekend, so you can come back and recant that statement, too? Here's a teaser for you, but there are plenty more out there, and recent ones, too. http://www.labornotes.org/archives/1999/0499/0499b.html Sigh. Another wonderful website. If I put up a website which said that the moon was made of green cheese, would you believe that too? In other words they are protectionist, and foster an attitude of mediocrity. All union rules are protectionist? There you go again. Can't you contemplate an issue without going to absolute extremes? You said "...they are protectionist....". You did not modify your statement with other words like "some". You are now recanting your statement. No, I'm correcting you. What about rules regarding safety and working conditions? What about them? They are no better than those mandated by OSHA. In cases where a union gets written legal agreements for certain safety standards, they establish a system of recourse that holds up in court. This is often more effective than waiting for OSHA, a beaurocracy, to offer an opinion. What? You mean the government isn't the most efficient and effective at promoting and enforcing policies? Gee, what a concept..... Dave |
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