On 9 Feb 2005 06:31:57 -0800, "basskisser" wrote:


JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Marshall Banana wrote:
My position at work requires that I be a union member, which does
not
please a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=me%20too"
onmouseover="window.status='a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=me%20too"
onmouseover="window.status='me too'; return true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"me too/a'; return true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"me too/a much. Our
union
rep was waking around today after a meeting
handing out some little tchotchkes, including a ballpoint pen with
the
union logo on it. Like everything else the union buys, it is
union
made
and proudly emblazoned with the logo of the union who produced it.
As I
was taking some notes, I noted that the pen would write a few
inches
then
stop, write a few more inches, then stop again. I don't think our
union
rep was too happy when I commented, "This pen is just like the
average
union worker. It only works half the time."

You should quit your job immediately if you don't like unions. You
could go work somewhere else for less money than you are worth.


Only union jobs pay folks a decent wage?

Where did I say that? Learn to read, please.

I guess somewhere close to 90% of
workers in the US are underpaid then.

Hmm, I DO know that there are many, many people underpaid. Ask them.

And why is union membership declining?

The right wing whining makes people believe that unions are bad....
You do realize that before unions, working conditions were horrible,
kids as young as 7 or 8 were forced to work 14 hour days, or more?
There were no safety measures.

Given your expertise with the English language, this will not be a challenge:

What Do You Call Santa's Helpers?

Subordinate Clauses

Mr. Krause can definitely help with that one.


John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Also Sprach basskisser :

You should quit your job immediately if you don't like unions. You
could go work somewhere else for less money than you are worth.

Actually, my average annual raise has gone down since we
unionized. Before, raises were at management's discretion, and
performance was rewarded while slackers didn't get an extra dime. Now,
the union contract has a minimum and maximum annual raise, so the slackers
get their guaranteed 1.5% while people who bust their ass are capped at
4%.

As far as getting paid what I am worth, unionizing has forced me to make
some career decisions. My particular line of work is rather specialized
an only done by a handfull of companies around the world, so leaving to
work somewhere else is not really an option. I had hoped to stay within a
technical expert career track, but since I can make twice the salary by
taking a management track, it has become a preferred option. Prior to our
workplace unionizing, a technical expert an manager with equivalent
experience were paid comparable salaries, but the gap between them has
widened every year since unionizing.

Dan

--
So what you're saying is, you amazed an idiot by showing competence?

-- Chris Madden

I always enjoy you union folks defending your union.

Like krause,, a fine specimen, no integrity, unbelievable liar, nut bar in
his own mind.

But the damage he has done to the industries, jobs, future for the working
man is unknown to hit type.

Their defense is always something like,,,,,

"14 year old kids going to work without shoes"

"working 50 or 60 hour work weeks"

"flipping cheeseburgers"

Unless you really visit the industry in other countries, the work force, the
people, you cannot blame the people who want to work and are proud to work.
You union slobs have this attitude that you are worth so much, or worth more
than you are being paid, and then you perform your work to reflect that
ratio, meaning you produce less quality than 100%,,,, and you are over paid,
forcing inflation or the CPI costs of products for all consumers (non union
included) to pay way too much.

Good example, I had a suit cut for me here in the west when a fried died,
cost me over a thousand dollars, doesn't fit as I would like it, looks off
the shelf, like krause buys them. But I have suits made in the east, cost
about 30 bucks, better material, better stitching, better fit, better
looking, more durable and more practical, just far better work.

You union slobs like krause ruined it for the working man in America, you
ruined it for business, owners, builders, workers, you blaming it on the
kids or other cultures wanting to go to work, having to go to work doesn't
make what you did right,, maybe in your own mind but you are the one to
blame.








"Marshall Banana" wrote in message
...
Also Sprach basskisser :

You should quit your job immediately if you don't like unions. You
could go work somewhere else for less money than you are worth.

Actually, my average annual raise has gone down since we
unionized. Before, raises were at management's discretion, and
performance was rewarded while slackers didn't get an extra dime. Now,
the union contract has a minimum and maximum annual raise, so the slackers
get their guaranteed 1.5% while people who bust their ass are capped at
4%.

As far as getting paid what I am worth, unionizing has forced me to make
some career decisions. My particular line of work is rather specialized
an only done by a handfull of companies around the world, so leaving to
work somewhere else is not really an option. I had hoped to stay within a
technical expert career track, but since I can make twice the salary by
taking a management track, it has become a preferred option. Prior to our
workplace unionizing, a technical expert an manager with equivalent
experience were paid comparable salaries, but the gap between them has
widened every year since unionizing.

Dan

--
So what you're saying is, you amazed an idiot by showing competence?

-- Chris Madden

Marshall Banana wrote:
Also Sprach basskisser :

You should quit your job immediately if you don't like unions. You
could go work somewhere else for less money than you are worth.

Actually, my average annual raise has gone down since we
unionized.

Then quit, go do something else, there will be someone willing to take
your place. There are always options.

Before, raises were at management's discretion, and
performance was rewarded while slackers didn't get an extra dime.
Now,
the union contract has a minimum and maximum annual raise, so the
slackers
get their guaranteed 1.5% while people who bust their ass are capped
at
4%.

As far as getting paid what I am worth, unionizing has forced me to
make
some career decisions. My particular line of work is rather
specialized
an only done by a handfull of companies around the world, so leaving
to
work somewhere else is not really an option. I had hoped to stay
within a
technical expert career track, but since I can make twice the salary
by
taking a management track, it has become a preferred option.

Then it's entirely YOUR choice. No one is forcing you to do it. You
should be thankful for the opportunity.

Prior to our
workplace unionizing, a technical expert an manager with equivalent
experience were paid comparable salaries, but the gap between them
has
widened every year since unionizing.

a technical expert with managerial skills is WORTH more than a
technical expert without.

Dan

John H wrote:
On 9 Feb 2005 06:31:57 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Marshall Banana wrote:
My position at work requires that I be a union member, which
does
not
please a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=me%20too"
onmouseover="window.status='a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=me%20too"
onmouseover="window.status='a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=me%20too"
onmouseover="window.status='me too'; return true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"me too/a'; return true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"me too/a'; return
true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"me too/a much.
Our
union
rep was waking around today after a meeting
handing out some little tchotchkes, including a ballpoint pen
with
the
union logo on it. Like everything else the union buys, it is
union
made
and proudly emblazoned with the logo of the union who produced
it.
As I
was taking some notes, I noted that the pen would write a few
inches
then
stop, write a few more inches, then stop again. I don't think
our
union
rep was too happy when I commented, "This pen is just like the
average
union worker. It only works half the time."

You should quit your job immediately if you don't like unions.
You
could go work somewhere else for less money than you are worth.


Only union jobs pay folks a decent wage?

Where did I say that? Learn to read, please.

I guess somewhere close to 90% of
workers in the US are underpaid then.

Hmm, I DO know that there are many, many people underpaid. Ask them.

And why is union membership declining?

The right wing whining makes people believe that unions are bad....
You do realize that before unions, working conditions were horrible,
kids as young as 7 or 8 were forced to work 14 hour days, or more?
There were no safety measures.

Given your expertise with the English language, this will not be a
challenge:

What Do You Call Santa's Helpers?

Subordinate Clauses

Mr. Krause can definitely help with that one.


John H

Must be on the sauce again, huh, John? This is going to be like the
last bender you were on, when everything anybody posted was met with
"Krause is a ****ing liar", huh?

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:28:42 -0500, " tuuk" wrote:

I always enjoy you union folks defending your union.

Like krause,, a fine specimen, no integrity, unbelievable liar, nut bar in
his own mind.

But the damage he has done to the industries, jobs, future for the working
man is unknown to hit type.

Their defense is always something like,,,,,

"14 year old kids going to work without shoes"

"working 50 or 60 hour work weeks"

"flipping cheeseburgers"

Unless you really visit the industry in other countries, the work force, the
people, you cannot blame the people who want to work and are proud to work.
You union slobs have this attitude that you are worth so much, or worth more
than you are being paid, and then you perform your work to reflect that
ratio, meaning you produce less quality than 100%,,,, and you are over paid,
forcing inflation or the CPI costs of products for all consumers (non union
included) to pay way too much.

Good example, I had a suit cut for me here in the west when a fried died,
cost me over a thousand dollars, doesn't fit as I would like it, looks off
the shelf, like krause buys them. But I have suits made in the east, cost
about 30 bucks, better material, better stitching, better fit, better
looking, more durable and more practical, just far better work.

You union slobs like krause ruined it for the working man in America, you
ruined it for business, owners, builders, workers, you blaming it on the
kids or other cultures wanting to go to work, having to go to work doesn't
make what you did right,, maybe in your own mind but you are the one to
blame.








"Marshall Banana" wrote in message
...
Also Sprach basskisser :

You should quit your job immediately if you don't like unions. You
could go work somewhere else for less money than you are worth.

Actually, my average annual raise has gone down since we
unionized. Before, raises were at management's discretion, and
performance was rewarded while slackers didn't get an extra dime. Now,
the union contract has a minimum and maximum annual raise, so the slackers
get their guaranteed 1.5% while people who bust their ass are capped at
4%.

As far as getting paid what I am worth, unionizing has forced me to make
some career decisions. My particular line of work is rather specialized
an only done by a handfull of companies around the world, so leaving to
work somewhere else is not really an option. I had hoped to stay within a
technical expert career track, but since I can make twice the salary by
taking a management track, it has become a preferred option. Prior to our
workplace unionizing, a technical expert an manager with equivalent
experience were paid comparable salaries, but the gap between them has
widened every year since unionizing.

Dan

--
So what you're saying is, you amazed an idiot by showing competence?

-- Chris Madden


Let's get something straight. You *don't* flip cheeseburgers!

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

" tuuk" wrote in message
...
snip
Good example, I had a suit cut for me here in the west when a fried died,
cost me over a thousand dollars, doesn't fit as I would like it, looks off
the shelf, like krause buys them. But I have suits made in the east, cost
about 30 bucks, better material, better stitching, better fit, better
looking, more durable and more practical, just far better work.

snip

That's a really good example.........d'uh!
The tailors around here aren't unionized and depending where the material
came from...it may not be 'union cloth'.

On 10 Feb 2005 04:59:39 -0800, "basskisser" wrote:


John H wrote:
On 9 Feb 2005 06:31:57 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Marshall Banana wrote:
My position at work requires that I be a union member, which
does
not
please a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=me%20too"
onmouseover="window.status='a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=me%20too"
onmouseover="window.status='a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=me%20too"
onmouseover="window.status='me too'; return true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"me too/a'; return true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"me too/a'; return
true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"me too/a much.
Our
union
rep was waking around today after a meeting
handing out some little tchotchkes, including a ballpoint pen
with
the
union logo on it. Like everything else the union buys, it is
union
made
and proudly emblazoned with the logo of the union who produced
it.
As I
was taking some notes, I noted that the pen would write a few
inches
then
stop, write a few more inches, then stop again. I don't think
our
union
rep was too happy when I commented, "This pen is just like the
average
union worker. It only works half the time."

You should quit your job immediately if you don't like unions.
You
could go work somewhere else for less money than you are worth.


Only union jobs pay folks a decent wage?

Where did I say that? Learn to read, please.

I guess somewhere close to 90% of
workers in the US are underpaid then.

Hmm, I DO know that there are many, many people underpaid. Ask them.

And why is union membership declining?

The right wing whining makes people believe that unions are bad....
You do realize that before unions, working conditions were horrible,
kids as young as 7 or 8 were forced to work 14 hour days, or more?
There were no safety measures.

Given your expertise with the English language, this will not be a
challenge:

What Do You Call Santa's Helpers?

Subordinate Clauses

Mr. Krause can definitely help with that one.


John H

Must be on the sauce again, huh, John? This is going to be like the
last bender you were on, when everything anybody posted was met with
"Krause is a ****ing liar", huh?

This is the second post today in which you've said, "Krause is a ****ing liar."
Have you got something against Krause?

OK, here's an easy one:

Where Do You Find A Dog With No Legs?

Right Where You Left Him.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

John H wrote:
On 10 Feb 2005 04:59:39 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


John H wrote:
On 9 Feb 2005 06:31:57 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Marshall Banana wrote:
My position at work requires that I be a union member, which
does
not
please a

href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=me%20too"
onmouseover="window.status='a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=me%20too"
onmouseover="window.status='a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=me%20too"
onmouseover="window.status='a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=me%20too"
onmouseover="window.status='me too'; return true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"me too/a'; return true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"me too/a'; return
true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"me too/a'; return
true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"me too/a much.
Our
union
rep was waking around today after a meeting
handing out some little tchotchkes, including a ballpoint
pen
with
the
union logo on it. Like everything else the union buys, it
is
union
made
and proudly emblazoned with the logo of the union who
produced
it.
As I
was taking some notes, I noted that the pen would write a
few
inches
then
stop, write a few more inches, then stop again. I don't
think
our
union
rep was too happy when I commented, "This pen is just like
the
average
union worker. It only works half the time."

You should quit your job immediately if you don't like
unions.
You
could go work somewhere else for less money than you are
worth.


Only union jobs pay folks a decent wage?

Where did I say that? Learn to read, please.

I guess somewhere close to 90% of
workers in the US are underpaid then.

Hmm, I DO know that there are many, many people underpaid. Ask
them.

And why is union membership declining?

The right wing whining makes people believe that unions are
bad....
You do realize that before unions, working conditions were
horrible,
kids as young as 7 or 8 were forced to work 14 hour days, or
more?
There were no safety measures.

Given your expertise with the English language, this will not be a
challenge:

What Do You Call Santa's Helpers?

Subordinate Clauses

Mr. Krause can definitely help with that one.


John H

Must be on the sauce again, huh, John? This is going to be like the
last bender you were on, when everything anybody posted was met with
"Krause is a ****ing liar", huh?

This is the second post today in which you've said, "Krause is a
****ing liar."
Have you got something against Krause?


John H


Crap! Here we go with your ignorant questions again. Could you please
learn to comprehend what you read, or else quit replying? You do know
you're making yourself look quite ignorant, don't you? Now, look
above....carefully. Please note that I QUOTED YOU....

On 11 Feb 2005 06:48:12 -0800, "basskisser" wrote:


John H wrote:
On 10 Feb 2005 04:59:39 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


John H wrote:
On 9 Feb 2005 06:31:57 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Marshall Banana wrote:
My position at work requires that I be a union member, which
does
not
please a

href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=me%20too"
onmouseover="window.status='a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=me%20too"
onmouseover="window.status='a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=me%20too"
onmouseover="window.status='a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=me%20too"
onmouseover="window.status='me too'; return true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"me too/a'; return true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"me too/a'; return
true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"me too/a'; return
true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"me too/a much.
Our
union
rep was waking around today after a meeting
handing out some little tchotchkes, including a ballpoint
pen
with
the
union logo on it. Like everything else the union buys, it
is
union
made
and proudly emblazoned with the logo of the union who
produced
it.
As I
was taking some notes, I noted that the pen would write a
few
inches
then
stop, write a few more inches, then stop again. I don't
think
our
union
rep was too happy when I commented, "This pen is just like
the
average
union worker. It only works half the time."

You should quit your job immediately if you don't like
unions.
You
could go work somewhere else for less money than you are
worth.


Only union jobs pay folks a decent wage?

Where did I say that? Learn to read, please.

I guess somewhere close to 90% of
workers in the US are underpaid then.

Hmm, I DO know that there are many, many people underpaid. Ask
them.

And why is union membership declining?

The right wing whining makes people believe that unions are
bad....
You do realize that before unions, working conditions were
horrible,
kids as young as 7 or 8 were forced to work 14 hour days, or
more?
There were no safety measures.

Given your expertise with the English language, this will not be a
challenge:

What Do You Call Santa's Helpers?

Subordinate Clauses

Mr. Krause can definitely help with that one.


John H

Must be on the sauce again, huh, John? This is going to be like the
last bender you were on, when everything anybody posted was met with
"Krause is a ****ing liar", huh?

This is the second post today in which you've said, "Krause is a
****ing liar."
Have you got something against Krause?


John H


Crap! Here we go with your ignorant questions again. Could you please
learn to comprehend what you read, or else quit replying? You do know
you're making yourself look quite ignorant, don't you? Now, look
above....carefully. Please note that I QUOTED YOU....

You quoted me what?


John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes