Duh! Go to the back of the class, Vito!

"Proper" is defined by the content of Rule 5.

Here's your lesson for today. Study it hard and
please forego the wanking.

Rule 5
Look-out
"Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper
look-out by sight as well as by hearing as well
as by all available means appropriate in the
prevailing circumstances and conditions so
as to make a full appraisal of the situation
and of the risk of collision."

Be so kind as to allow me to re-state it so even
someone of Italian heritage might understand.

"A proper look-out is defined by every vessel
at all times maintaining a look-out by sight as
well as by hearing as well as by all available
means appropriate in the prevailing circumstances
and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of
the situation and of the risk of collision."

I hope this helps.

CN


"Vito" wrote in message ...
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Just what don't you little Ellen supporters understand
about the first part of the following COLREG Rule?

Rule 5
Look-out
Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper
look-out by sight as well as by hearing . . .


Proper? What is proper? If it means 'sufficient to avoid collision' then
Ellen's must have been 'proper'.

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

Duh! Go to the back of the class, Vito!

"Proper" is defined by the content of Rule 5.

Here's your lesson for today. Study it hard and
please forego the wanking.

Rule 5
Look-out
"Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper
look-out by sight as well as by hearing as well
as by all available means appropriate in the
prevailing circumstances and conditions so
as to make a full appraisal of the situation
and of the risk of collision."

Hey, that says that if I look and listen and determine there is no
reasonable risk of collision then I can hit the hammock, right? It does not
say a continuos lookout. Since Ellen did not collide with anything her
lookout must have been adequate and proper.

Go to Naples (c:

Troll

Plonk


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Just what don't you little Ellen supporters understand
about the first part of the following COLREG Rule?

Capt.
What are you worried about her sail boat colliding with your ship? It's
a risk she chooses to take as have many others through the years.
There's always one out there that's a stickler for the "rules". You must
be one that never ever breaks a rule. Like posting to multiple
newsgroups for example.
Paul

Capt. Neal® wrote:
Just what don't you little Ellen supporters understand
about the first part of the following COLREG Rule?

Rule 5
Look-out
Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper
look-out by sight as well as by hearing . . .


Folks, even the most ignorant among you cannot
claim you do not know what the words "sight" and
"hearing" mean.

Check out what Merriam Webster has to say about
it.

sight \"sït\ n 1 : something seen or worth seeing
2 : the process or power of seeing; esp : the sense
of which the eye is the receptor and by which
qualities of appearance (as position, shape, and color)
are perceived 3 : inspection 4 : a device (as a small
bead on a gun barrel) that aids the eye in aiming
5 : view, glimpse 6 : the range of vision - sight.less adj

hear.ing n 1 : the process, function, or power of
perceiving sound; esp : the special sense by which
noises and tones are received as stimuli 2 : earshot
3 : opportunity to be heard 4 : a listening to arguments
(as in a court); also : a session of (as of a legislative
committee) in which testimony is taken from witnesses

© 1995 Zane Publishing, Inc. The Merriam-Webster
Dictionary © 1994 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated

"At all times" means at all times. It means if Ellen is
sleeping she is failing to comply with Rule 5. In order
to be legal there needs to be a human being seeing
AND hearing at all times. This means Rule 5 states
ANY long-distance race where solo skipper sleeps
is in violation of the rule and an illegal enterprise.

Those of you who argue that it only becomes illegal
if Ellen has a collision argue falsely.

Legal and responsible racing cannot include long-distance
solo sailing racing by definition. Neither little Ellen nor
anybody else is capable of sight or hearing while they
are asleep, exhausted below in a speeding sailboat.

Ellen is a whore because she gets paid and has a whole
team pimping her engaging in an illegal activity. It's about
time real sailors stopped supporting this illegal activity
which is detrimental and dangerous to sailors everywhere.

I certainly will not identify with, worship or give kudos
to any law breaker. Until such time as little Ellen operates
legally, I will continue to call a spade a spade. The only
record she has broken, in my opinion, is 71 days in violation
of Rule 5. It does not matter how much or what kind of
electronic measures her boat employs. Unless she stays
awake and maintains a look-out by sight and hearing
twenty-four hours a day, she is operating illegally.

Ellen is a lawbreaker by law and by her own admission.

Those who support little Ellen support law breaking. You
cannot argue otherwise intelligently. Every argument you
attempt to employ will be shot down by the simplicity and
explicitness of Rule 5.


Captain Neal Warren
USCG Licensed U.S. Merchant Marine Officer
ser.# 1045941
--- Safety at sea is no accident.

Capt. Neal® wrote:

Just what don't you little Ellen supporters understand
about the first part of the following COLREG Rule?

Rule 5
Look-out
Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper
look-out by sight as well as by hearing . . .


Folks, even the most ignorant among you cannot
claim you do not know what the words "sight" and
"hearing" mean.

Check out what Merriam Webster has to say about
it.

sight \"sït\ n 1 : something seen or worth seeing
2 : the process or power of seeing; esp : the sense
of which the eye is the receptor and by which
qualities of appearance (as position, shape, and color)
are perceived 3 : inspection 4 : a device (as a small
bead on a gun barrel) that aids the eye in aiming
5 : view, glimpse 6 : the range of vision - sight.less adj

hear.ing n 1 : the process, function, or power of
perceiving sound; esp : the special sense by which
noises and tones are received as stimuli 2 : earshot
3 : opportunity to be heard 4 : a listening to arguments
(as in a court); also : a session of (as of a legislative
committee) in which testimony is taken from witnesses

© 1995 Zane Publishing, Inc. The Merriam-Webster
Dictionary © 1994 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated

"At all times" means at all times. It means if Ellen is
sleeping she is failing to comply with Rule 5. In order
to be legal there needs to be a human being seeing
AND hearing at all times. This means Rule 5 states
ANY long-distance race where solo skipper sleeps
is in violation of the rule and an illegal enterprise.

Those of you who argue that it only becomes illegal
if Ellen has a collision argue falsely.

Legal and responsible racing cannot include long-distance
solo sailing racing by definition. Neither little Ellen nor
anybody else is capable of sight or hearing while they
are asleep, exhausted below in a speeding sailboat.

Ellen is a whore because she gets paid and has a whole
team pimping her engaging in an illegal activity. It's about
time real sailors stopped supporting this illegal activity
which is detrimental and dangerous to sailors everywhere.

I certainly will not identify with, worship or give kudos
to any law breaker. Until such time as little Ellen operates
legally, I will continue to call a spade a spade. The only
record she has broken, in my opinion, is 71 days in violation
of Rule 5. It does not matter how much or what kind of
electronic measures her boat employs. Unless she stays
awake and maintains a look-out by sight and hearing
twenty-four hours a day, she is operating illegally.

Ellen is a lawbreaker by law and by her own admission.

Those who support little Ellen support law breaking. You
cannot argue otherwise intelligently. Every argument you
attempt to employ will be shot down by the simplicity and
explicitness of Rule 5.


Captain Neal Warren
USCG Licensed U.S. Merchant Marine Officer
ser.# 1045941
--- Safety at sea is no accident.

Oy! What a load of twaddle. Why don't you just go and **** up a rope!
If it was up to you, you would keelhaul every singlehander on sight.
Then you could go down to the local dive and swap stories with your
close buddy Capt. Joseph Hazelwood.

Done feeding the Troll.

Paul E.

--
"To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to
society" - Theodore Roosevelt

Ok folks,
You all have missed it. Little Ellen can not be convicted for violation of
COLREG #5. And I'll show you..

Capt. Neal states that COLREG Rule #5
"Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper
look-out by sight as well as by hearing as well
as by all available means appropriate in the
prevailing circumstances and conditions so
as to make a full appraisal of the situation
and of the risk of collision."

IN THE PREVAILING CIRCUMSTANCES AND CONDITIONS (Little Ellen WAS solo)

Capt. Neal wrote:
"Neither little Ellen nor anybody else is capable of sight or hearing while
they are asleep, exhausted below in a speeding sailboat."

So by his own admittance, as a USCG Licensed U.S. Merchant Marine Officer
ser.# 1045941 that Little Ellen was exhausted and IN THE PREVAILING
CIRCUMSTANCE AND CONDITIONS of being solo, had to sleep, and could not keep
a proper look out. So did she break the law? Yes. But IN THE PREVAILING
CIRCUMSTANCES AND CONDITIONS of being SOLO, She had to.
So good luck trying to find a court that will convict her on not having a
proper look out in the prevailing circumstances and conditions.
Now if you want to get picky, You can go give that guy who lasted 2 weeks at
sea on a log raft after the tsunami a ticket. No proper look out, No night
time running lights, Non-registered Vessel, un-seaworthy craft, failing to
file a float plan, and the list goes on. And don't forget to give a ticket
to all those who been stranded at sea in a rubber raft for the same thing.
In The Prevailing Circumstances is in the prevailing circumstance. It does
not state what that circumstance is. It does not state if it is life
threating, a 30ft vessel, log raft, or a rubber raft. And it does not state
what those conditions are to be also.
And besides, it just sounds like Capt Neal is being ****y because the person
he was rooting for didn't win.
Have a great day...
Ship Skipper

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Just what don't you little Ellen supporters understand
about the first part of the following COLREG Rule?

Rule 5
Look-out
Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper
look-out by sight as well as by hearing . . .


Folks, even the most ignorant among you cannot
claim you do not know what the words "sight" and
"hearing" mean.

Check out what Merriam Webster has to say about
it.

sight \"sït\ n 1 : something seen or worth seeing
2 : the process or power of seeing; esp : the sense
of which the eye is the receptor and by which
qualities of appearance (as position, shape, and color)
are perceived 3 : inspection 4 : a device (as a small
bead on a gun barrel) that aids the eye in aiming
5 : view, glimpse 6 : the range of vision - sight.less adj

hear.ing n 1 : the process, function, or power of
perceiving sound; esp : the special sense by which
noises and tones are received as stimuli 2 : earshot
3 : opportunity to be heard 4 : a listening to arguments
(as in a court); also : a session of (as of a legislative
committee) in which testimony is taken from witnesses

© 1995 Zane Publishing, Inc. The Merriam-Webster
Dictionary © 1994 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated

"At all times" means at all times. It means if Ellen is
sleeping she is failing to comply with Rule 5. In order
to be legal there needs to be a human being seeing
AND hearing at all times. This means Rule 5 states
ANY long-distance race where solo skipper sleeps
is in violation of the rule and an illegal enterprise.

Those of you who argue that it only becomes illegal
if Ellen has a collision argue falsely.

Legal and responsible racing cannot include long-distance
solo sailing racing by definition. Neither little Ellen nor
anybody else is capable of sight or hearing while they
are asleep, exhausted below in a speeding sailboat.

Ellen is a whore because she gets paid and has a whole
team pimping her engaging in an illegal activity. It's about
time real sailors stopped supporting this illegal activity
which is detrimental and dangerous to sailors everywhere.

I certainly will not identify with, worship or give kudos
to any law breaker. Until such time as little Ellen operates
legally, I will continue to call a spade a spade. The only
record she has broken, in my opinion, is 71 days in violation
of Rule 5. It does not matter how much or what kind of
electronic measures her boat employs. Unless she stays
awake and maintains a look-out by sight and hearing
twenty-four hours a day, she is operating illegally.

Ellen is a lawbreaker by law and by her own admission.

Those who support little Ellen support law breaking. You
cannot argue otherwise intelligently. Every argument you
attempt to employ will be shot down by the simplicity and
explicitness of Rule 5.


Captain Neal Warren
USCG Licensed U.S. Merchant Marine Officer
ser.# 1045941
--- Safety at sea is no accident.

He's just a troll... forget him. But, nice explanation.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Ship Skipper" wrote in message
...
Ok folks,
You all have missed it. Little Ellen can not be convicted for violation of
COLREG #5. And I'll show you..

Capt. Neal states that COLREG Rule #5
"Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper
look-out by sight as well as by hearing as well
as by all available means appropriate in the
prevailing circumstances and conditions so
as to make a full appraisal of the situation
and of the risk of collision."

IN THE PREVAILING CIRCUMSTANCES AND CONDITIONS (Little Ellen WAS solo)

Capt. Neal wrote:
"Neither little Ellen nor anybody else is capable of sight or hearing
while they are asleep, exhausted below in a speeding sailboat."

So by his own admittance, as a USCG Licensed U.S. Merchant Marine Officer
ser.# 1045941 that Little Ellen was exhausted and IN THE PREVAILING
CIRCUMSTANCE AND CONDITIONS of being solo, had to sleep, and could not
keep a proper look out. So did she break the law? Yes. But IN THE
PREVAILING CIRCUMSTANCES AND CONDITIONS of being SOLO, She had to.
So good luck trying to find a court that will convict her on not having a
proper look out in the prevailing circumstances and conditions.
Now if you want to get picky, You can go give that guy who lasted 2 weeks
at sea on a log raft after the tsunami a ticket. No proper look out, No
night time running lights, Non-registered Vessel, un-seaworthy craft,
failing to file a float plan, and the list goes on. And don't forget to
give a ticket to all those who been stranded at sea in a rubber raft for
the same thing. In The Prevailing Circumstances is in the prevailing
circumstance. It does not state what that circumstance is. It does not
state if it is life threating, a 30ft vessel, log raft, or a rubber raft.
And it does not state what those conditions are to be also.
And besides, it just sounds like Capt Neal is being ****y because the
person he was rooting for didn't win.
Have a great day...
Ship Skipper

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Just what don't you little Ellen supporters understand
about the first part of the following COLREG Rule?

Rule 5
Look-out
Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper
look-out by sight as well as by hearing . . .


Folks, even the most ignorant among you cannot
claim you do not know what the words "sight" and
"hearing" mean.

Check out what Merriam Webster has to say about
it.

sight \"sït\ n 1 : something seen or worth seeing
2 : the process or power of seeing; esp : the sense
of which the eye is the receptor and by which
qualities of appearance (as position, shape, and color)
are perceived 3 : inspection 4 : a device (as a small
bead on a gun barrel) that aids the eye in aiming
5 : view, glimpse 6 : the range of vision - sight.less adj

hear.ing n 1 : the process, function, or power of
perceiving sound; esp : the special sense by which
noises and tones are received as stimuli 2 : earshot
3 : opportunity to be heard 4 : a listening to arguments
(as in a court); also : a session of (as of a legislative
committee) in which testimony is taken from witnesses

© 1995 Zane Publishing, Inc. The Merriam-Webster
Dictionary © 1994 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated

"At all times" means at all times. It means if Ellen is
sleeping she is failing to comply with Rule 5. In order
to be legal there needs to be a human being seeing
AND hearing at all times. This means Rule 5 states
ANY long-distance race where solo skipper sleeps
is in violation of the rule and an illegal enterprise.

Those of you who argue that it only becomes illegal
if Ellen has a collision argue falsely.

Legal and responsible racing cannot include long-distance
solo sailing racing by definition. Neither little Ellen nor
anybody else is capable of sight or hearing while they
are asleep, exhausted below in a speeding sailboat.

Ellen is a whore because she gets paid and has a whole
team pimping her engaging in an illegal activity. It's about
time real sailors stopped supporting this illegal activity
which is detrimental and dangerous to sailors everywhere.

I certainly will not identify with, worship or give kudos
to any law breaker. Until such time as little Ellen operates
legally, I will continue to call a spade a spade. The only
record she has broken, in my opinion, is 71 days in violation
of Rule 5. It does not matter how much or what kind of
electronic measures her boat employs. Unless she stays
awake and maintains a look-out by sight and hearing
twenty-four hours a day, she is operating illegally.

Ellen is a lawbreaker by law and by her own admission.

Those who support little Ellen support law breaking. You
cannot argue otherwise intelligently. Every argument you
attempt to employ will be shot down by the simplicity and
explicitness of Rule 5.


Captain Neal Warren
USCG Licensed U.S. Merchant Marine Officer
ser.# 1045941
--- Safety at sea is no accident.

Capt. Neal® wrote:
Just what don't you little Ellen supporters understand
about the first part of the following COLREG Rule?

Rule 5
Look-out
Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper
look-out by sight as well as by hearing . . .


Folks, even the most ignorant among you cannot
claim you do not know what the words "sight" and
"hearing" mean.

Check out what Merriam Webster has to say about
it.

sight \"sït\ n 1 : something seen or worth seeing
2 : the process or power of seeing; esp : the sense
of which the eye is the receptor and by which
qualities of appearance (as position, shape, and color)
are perceived 3 : inspection 4 : a device (as a small
bead on a gun barrel) that aids the eye in aiming
5 : view, glimpse 6 : the range of vision - sight.less adj

hear.ing n 1 : the process, function, or power of
perceiving sound; esp : the special sense by which
noises and tones are received as stimuli 2 : earshot
3 : opportunity to be heard 4 : a listening to arguments
(as in a court); also : a session of (as of a legislative
committee) in which testimony is taken from witnesses

© 1995 Zane Publishing, Inc. The Merriam-Webster
Dictionary © 1994 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated

"At all times" means at all times. It means if Ellen is
sleeping she is failing to comply with Rule 5. In order
to be legal there needs to be a human being seeing
AND hearing at all times. This means Rule 5 states
ANY long-distance race where solo skipper sleeps
is in violation of the rule and an illegal enterprise.

Those of you who argue that it only becomes illegal
if Ellen has a collision argue falsely.

Legal and responsible racing cannot include long-distance
solo sailing racing by definition. Neither little Ellen nor
anybody else is capable of sight or hearing while they
are asleep, exhausted below in a speeding sailboat.

Ellen is a whore because she gets paid and has a whole
team pimping her engaging in an illegal activity. It's about
time real sailors stopped supporting this illegal activity
which is detrimental and dangerous to sailors everywhere.

I certainly will not identify with, worship or give kudos
to any law breaker. Until such time as little Ellen operates
legally, I will continue to call a spade a spade. The only
record she has broken, in my opinion, is 71 days in violation
of Rule 5. It does not matter how much or what kind of
electronic measures her boat employs. Unless she stays
awake and maintains a look-out by sight and hearing
twenty-four hours a day, she is operating illegally.

Ellen is a lawbreaker by law and by her own admission.

Those who support little Ellen support law breaking. You
cannot argue otherwise intelligently. Every argument you
attempt to employ will be shot down by the simplicity and
explicitness of Rule 5.


Captain Neal Warren
USCG Licensed U.S. Merchant Marine Officer
ser.# 1045941
--- Safety at sea is no accident.


You are an idiot & pretty typical of the nay sayers who have & will
never amount to anything.

Merchant Marine Officer??? a hoot; sad, jealous, little uneducated
coward more likely:-)

With your limited IQ you "need" rules to mindlessly obey for every
minute of your endless boring days, so you can feel safe & we can from
you. After all your misfortune is always "someone elses fault".


K

Speaking of idiots:-)

& the Krause lie of the day is........

from what we call the "father" series, this is a sad collection of lies
about the mythical father, much the same as immature school kids make
up. The sad part is that a man in his 50s would be so ashamed of his
father's real achievements that he besmirches his memory with such
infantile lies.


My father, who died in the 1970s, was a fairly well known boating
sportsman in
the New England-New York area. He was a boat dealer and marina
operator. For
grins, he raced hydroplanes and utility outboards in the late 40's
and early
50's, and won the Albany to New York race twice and a number of other
races.
For many years, he always had the *fastest* boat on Long Island
Sound. I don't
know whether that was true, but I don't recall anyone with a faster
boat, and
he drove all over looking for them. The boat, which changed from year
to year,
was always called "Bob's Hope." Later, he drove a twin 50-hp Evinrude
powered
Swedish boat across the North Atlantic in winter as a publicity stunt
for a
line of Swedish boats he was distributing in New England. Came over
the lee of
a tanker. He owned a *lot* of boats, including a PT boat for a while
and a
DUCK.
I don't know that I have more experience with boats than anyone in
here. I've
been boating since I was about 7 or so, and that was 50 years ago.
I've owned
a *lot* of different kinds of boats.
What *you* believe is your business. Frankly, I don't give a damn.


Also of course, note the "in winter":-)

My father and his chief mechanic once crossed the Atlantic in winter in
a 22'
boat powered by twin outboards. Yes, it is possible, even the fuel. Got a
"fireboat" welcome in NYC.