Tink on behalf of JC opines:
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For each inmate on death row, and for all those who are concerned
about a specific inmate, each must visit the particular inmate every
day for the twenty, 20 years of his detention while waiting for
appeals, and get to know the inmate intimately. After these 20 years,
those who meet the requirement of having been there every day during
the 20 years,...
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Hey, Tink, that's an interesting twist. I'm not sure it's quite in the
spirit of my proposition to you (I was hoping to keep the answers a bit
more "clinical": you cite the scripture that you hope to use to make
JC's case for him.).

Nonetheless, as I said, a twist. I've always maintained that, if a
society is going to permit capital punishment, then the "hangman" ought
to be chosen, at random, from the citizenry. My point, if you really
think you, chosen at random from the citizenry, could look the convict
in the eyes, while pulling the switch at an electrocution, then you'd
vote for capital punishment. Those who could not, themselves, do the
job, would vote against capital punishment. But, that's another issue.

But back to our "story" Tink: let's keep it simple by not assuming
lengthy appeals. What then? Where's the scripture we need to make this
decision?

frtzw906

BCITORGB wrote:
Tink on behalf of JC opines:
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For each inmate on death row, and for all those who are concerned
about a specific inmate, each must visit the particular inmate every
day for the twenty, 20 years of his detention while waiting for
appeals, and get to know the inmate intimately. After these 20 years,
those who meet the requirement of having been there every day during
the 20 years,...
==================

Hey, Tink, that's an interesting twist. I'm not sure it's quite in
the
spirit of my proposition to you (I was hoping to keep the answers a
bit
more "clinical": you cite the scripture that you hope to use to make
JC's case for him.).

Nonetheless, as I said, a twist. I've always maintained that, if a
society is going to permit capital punishment, then the "hangman"
ought
to be chosen, at random, from the citizenry. My point, if you really
think you, chosen at random from the citizenry, could look the
convict
in the eyes, while pulling the switch at an electrocution, then
you'd
vote for capital punishment. Those who could not, themselves, do the
job, would vote against capital punishment. But, that's another
issue.

But back to our "story" Tink: let's keep it simple by not assuming
lengthy appeals. What then? Where's the scripture we need to make
this
decision?

frtzw906

I would suggest that you ask specific questions as in a news briefing,
and I will respond with specific scriptures. That will help me stay on
topic, and I will not send you a boat load of scriptures that do not
address the specific question you are interested in. As you know, I
have a very large boat! TnT

BCITORGB wrote:
Tink on behalf of JC opines:
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For each inmate on death row, and for all those who are concerned
about a specific inmate, each must visit the particular inmate every
day for the twenty, 20 years of his detention while waiting for
appeals, and get to know the inmate intimately. After these 20 years,
those who meet the requirement of having been there every day during
the 20 years,...
==================

Hey, Tink, that's an interesting twist. I'm not sure it's quite in
the
spirit of my proposition to you (I was hoping to keep the answers a
bit
more "clinical": you cite the scripture that you hope to use to make
JC's case for him.).

Nonetheless, as I said, a twist. I've always maintained that, if a
society is going to permit capital punishment, then the "hangman"
ought
to be chosen, at random, from the citizenry. My point, if you really
think you, chosen at random from the citizenry, could look the
convict
in the eyes, while pulling the switch at an electrocution, then
you'd
vote for capital punishment. Those who could not, themselves, do the
job, would vote against capital punishment. But, that's another
issue.

But back to our "story" Tink: let's keep it simple by not assuming
lengthy appeals. What then? Where's the scripture we need to make
this
decision?

frtzw906

Frtwz, I just sent you a response to this post by you requesting
specific question, and then rereading your post, and see that you ask
such a question. Oops!

I am also having server problems and so not sure this will post when I
get done, but will try. If you get this then I guess the server started
working again.

Your question, would JC endorse capital punishment today? I have
included a few scriptures following:


Gen 9:6 Whoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood shall be shed, for
in the image of God He made man.

God instituted the death penalty originally, in reference to Creation.
Murder is an affront to God, who created us in His image. If some one
kills a man, it is as if he is trying to kill God! God says that man
should die!

Rom 13:1-2 Let every person be in subjection to the governing
authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which
exist are established by God. Therefore, he who resists authority has
opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive
condemnation upon themselves.
Rom 13:3-4 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but
for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good,
and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to
you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not
bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who
brings wrath upon the one who practices evil.

In the current era, God affirmed the continuing authority of civil
government, and that we need to be subject to that authority, which
included punishment for evil deeds, some of that punisnment
accomplished with the sword, implying death. Same theme in following
verses.


1 Pet 2:13-14 Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every human
institution, whether to a king as the one in authority, or to governors
as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those
who do right.

So, yes I believe that Jesus would endorse the death penalty today as
He has through out the ages. TnT

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Gen 9:6 Whoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood shall be shed, for
in the image of God He made man.

God instituted the death penalty originally, in reference to Creation.
Murder is an affront to God, who created us in His image. If some one
kills a man, it is as if he is trying to kill God! God says that man
should die!


No god I'd believe in would do such a thing. Even the "wrathful and
vengeful" god of the old testament
allowed Cain to wander free (but marked). Yet another reason why I doubt
the "scriptures" were written
by anyone but ordinary men.

....justification for murder deleted

Rick

Tink says:
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Gen 9:6
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my biblical knowledge may be weak, but doesn't this bit pre-date jc?

frtzw906

"BCITORGB" wrote in message
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Tink says:
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Gen 9:6
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my biblical knowledge may be weak, but doesn't this bit pre-date jc?

frtzw906

Not if you accept the idea of the trinity.

Mark --jesus, like 3 in 1 oil, is all purpose--

bearsbuddy says:
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Not if you accept the idea of the trinity.
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so.... if i accept the trinity, then timelines become irrelevant? is
the trinity some kind of timemachine?

frtzw906

BCITORGB wrote:
bearsbuddy says:
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Not if you accept the idea of the trinity.
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so.... if i accept the trinity, then timelines become irrelevant? is
the trinity some kind of timemachine?

frtzw906

The Trinity is the manmade Doctrine that tries to explain the mystery
of the Godhood. The term Trinity is not found anywhere in the
scripture, though the term Godhood is found throughout, and usually
shortened to the term we refer to as God. The Godhood is a mystery that
is hard to understand since He is beyond our capability to conceive of
His totality or even a small part of His being, except as He showed
Himself to us. He has made himself known through various
pre-incarnation revelations known as theophanies, the carnate
revelation through Jesus, and the post-carnate in the person of the
Holy Spirit.

The Godhood is not some kind of a timemachine, for He exist outside of
time, where there would be no need for a timemachine such as even
clocks. They would be meaningless. There would be no time to go back
in, or forward in, or jump around in. This would be impossible for us
to understand, since we are creatures of time, we would cease to exist
as we know ourselves because everything we know about ourselves is
based on time.

Now obviously we got into deep water real fast, and that just from
talking about the simple question about the Death Penalty. So evidently
there is no simple question, and more than likely the answers are even
more difficult to ascertain. In fact when you deal with the Godhood,
you are dealing with some of the deepest questions, with which man can
even conceive. The Godhood is beyond time, beyond all the mysteries of
the whole universe, probably at the very edge of mans ability even to
ask questions.

This is indeed exciting! TnT

"BCITORGB" wrote in message
oups.com...
bearsbuddy says:
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Not if you accept the idea of the trinity.
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so.... if i accept the trinity, then timelines become irrelevant?

Well yes! As jesus is the god of the old testament, if you accept the
trinity. Thus, jesus is the god of the gen. creation.

is the trinity some kind of timemachine?

I suppose it is to some christians, but not all , in a sense, as it links
jesus to the god of the old testament.

Mark --pick your poison: http://tinyurl.com/57o7w --



frtzw906

BCITORGB wrote:
Tink says:
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Gen 9:6
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my biblical knowledge may be weak, but doesn't this bit pre-date jc?

frtzw906

No, He was back there in the beginning! Being God, He is a part of the
Eternal Godhood that the Judeo-Christian faith proclaims, and has been
revealed through out history to all men everywhere! TnT