Michael Daly wrote:
On 3-Mar-2005, "BCITORGB" wrote:

Let's not talk about liberal vs conservative.

Just to confuse the issue further, there is such a thing
as a liberal conservative. The Economist states that its
political position is such. Unfortunately, the use of
the terminology in the present US political environment
makes the term a contradiction and most Americans would
have trouble with it.

Mike

In the last political cycle, there was talk here of being liberal on
social issues, and conservative on economic issues. I am not sure if
that is just a smoke screen for not knowing what you believe, and
wanting to sound on the cutting edge of neuvo-politics! There would
have to be an imbalance in the political power, or else the
conservative part would not spring the money loose to pay the liberal
programs, and the liberal programs would be opposed to the economic
spending of the conservative. A real schizophrenic political animal! TnT

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Michael Daly wrote:
On 3-Mar-2005, "BCITORGB" wrote:

Let's not talk about liberal vs conservative.

Just to confuse the issue further, there is such a thing
as a liberal conservative. The Economist states that its
political position is such. Unfortunately, the use of
the terminology in the present US political environment
makes the term a contradiction and most Americans would
have trouble with it.

Mike

In the last political cycle, there was talk here of being liberal on
social issues, and conservative on economic issues. I am not sure if
that is just a smoke screen for not knowing what you believe, and
wanting to sound on the cutting edge of neuvo-politics! There would
have to be an imbalance in the political power, or else the
conservative part would not spring the money loose to pay the liberal
programs, and the liberal programs would be opposed to the economic
spending of the conservative. A real schizophrenic political animal! TnT

Where I come from being a "liberal on social issues and a conservative on
economic issues" means you are an all around good person. Too bad there are
so few of them! The worst case is what the US has now...a bunch of socially
conservative assholes who are at the same time blowing their economic wad
faster than a soviet dictator in the middle of the Cold War!

KMAN correctly asserts:
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The worst case is what the US has now...a bunch of socially
conservative assholes who are at the same time blowing their economic
wad faster than a soviet dictator in the middle of the Cold War!
========

So there you have it Tink: an example for social conservatism AND
fiscal liberaleralism.... now you tell us who does more damage?

frtzw906

BCITORGB wrote:
KMAN correctly asserts:
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The worst case is what the US has now...a bunch of socially
conservative assholes who are at the same time blowing their economic
wad faster than a soviet dictator in the middle of the Cold War!
========

So there you have it Tink: an example for social conservatism AND
fiscal liberaleralism.... now you tell us who does more damage?

frtzw906

Not to be picky, and I think I know what you are saying, but what is
"liberaleralism". If it is something we have not been discussing, I
will have to take time to google and figure what it is! TnT

Tink asks:
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Not to be picky, and I think I know what you are saying, but what is
"liberaleralism".
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to be fiscally liberal is to be rather "free" with money.... a social
liberal, like me, would advocate "freedom" in social interactions....
a social liberal would look at victimless interations and suggest that
people ought to be free to engage in them.... Note "liberal" comes from
the latin "liber" or FREE.



frtzw906

BCITORGB wrote:
Tink asks:
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Not to be picky, and I think I know what you are saying, but what is
"liberaleralism".
===============

to be fiscally liberal is to be rather "free" with money.... a social
liberal, like me, would advocate "freedom" in social interactions....
a social liberal would look at victimless interations and suggest
that
people ought to be free to engage in them.... Note "liberal" comes
from
the latin "liber" or FREE.



frtzw906

Eye was tryen to poind out yur spellin, wich eye thimk has two much
"eral" in it! not to be picky, TnT

whoops... missed it....

TnT says:
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In the last political cycle, there was talk here of being liberal on
social issues, and conservative on economic issues. I am not sure if
that is just a smoke screen for not knowing what you believe,
=========

It's actually quite simple Tink. I'll give you an example without even
thinking about it too long. Social liberal: legalize MJ, legalize
prositution, allow gay marriages, pro-choice... OK, so far that hasn't
cost us a penny.

Now for fiscal conservative: reduce military spending, eliminate
subsidies to corporate interests, charge ranchers for grazing on
federal lands, charge broadcasters more for using (abusing?) the
people's radio bands.... OK, still not costing you any money...

So, Tink, how was that hard to do?

frtzw906

BCITORGB wrote:
TnT says:
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In the last political cycle, there was talk here of being liberal on
social issues, and conservative on economic issues. I am not sure if
that is just a smoke screen for not knowing what you believe,
=========

It's actually quite simple Tink. I'll give you an example without
even
thinking about it too long. Social liberal: legalize MJ, legalize
prositution, allow gay marriages, pro-choice... OK, so far that
hasn't
cost us a penny.

Now for fiscal conservative: reduce military spending, eliminate
subsidies to corporate interests, charge ranchers for grazing on
federal lands, charge broadcasters more for using (abusing?) the
people's radio bands.... OK, still not costing you any money...

So, Tink, how was that hard to do?

frtzw906

frtwz, I would like to take a raincheck on this one, since there is
already a lot going on here, but feel free to cash in the rain check
later. TnT

Tink, you said:
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frtwz, I would like to take a raincheck on this one, since there is
already a lot going on here, but feel free to cash in the rain check
later. TnT
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Sure thing, Tink, but really this was not something that required
comment. You thought that being a social liberal and a fiscal
conservative would be difficult or impossible and I very simply gave
you an example of how that could readily be the case -- like me.

frtzw906