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"KMAN" wrote in message
...


snippage...


Since I never made that claim, seems you are wrong as usual.

=============
ROTFLMAO What a hoot! what part of...

"...I'm sure that's what the Framers had in mind...that a
crack dealer can arm
his posse with assault weapons with a trip to the gun shack on
the corner
and spray the local park with semi-automatic (or perhaps
converted to
automatic) gunfire..." kamn 2/20/2005 1:41

...doesn't sound familier to you? Or, are you now claiming
that somebody else here is posting fraudulantly using your
name?


No look at what you said:

"You're the one that claimed that the drug dealers were buying
assault weapons at the corner gun-mart, and that they killed
1000s of people every year"

==============
Yes, I repeated the gist of your previous spew... A spew that is
so full of ignorance and idiocy that it only gets the derision it
deserves.



I remain confident that the Framers did not have in mind that a
crack dealer could buy an assault weapon at the store on the
corner and spray the park with semi-automatic gunfire.

=======================
No, they didn't have that in mind, and only you belive it or are
trying to say that that occurs. Crack dealers have no rights to
buy arms.



What I did not say was that such incidents aco****ed for 1000s
of deaths each year, and thus, you are wrong to attribute that
position.

==================
Yet you keep implying it. How many crack dealers are there, how
many parks? Adds up to 1000s of people killed in your fantasy
world of make-believe.



Oh, and I see that you are in fact capable of re-posting
information.

We are all still waiting for your repost of the evidence that
Canadians are dying in waiting lines.

=================
I have, and I've told you where else to check several times.
that you wish to remain willfully ignorant is your decision.













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in article et, rick at
wrote on 2/24/05 9:12 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
...


snippage...


Since I never made that claim, seems you are wrong as usual.
=============
ROTFLMAO What a hoot! what part of...

"...I'm sure that's what the Framers had in mind...that a
crack dealer can arm
his posse with assault weapons with a trip to the gun shack on
the corner
and spray the local park with semi-automatic (or perhaps
converted to
automatic) gunfire..." kamn 2/20/2005 1:41

...doesn't sound familier to you? Or, are you now claiming
that somebody else here is posting fraudulantly using your
name?


No look at what you said:

"You're the one that claimed that the drug dealers were buying
assault weapons at the corner gun-mart, and that they killed
1000s of people every year"

==============
Yes, I repeated the gist of your previous spew... A spew that is
so full of ignorance and idiocy that it only gets the derision it
deserves.


Your "gist" include a specific claim that I did not make. Thus, your "gist"
was an attempt to deceive that was exposed.



I remain confident that the Framers did not have in mind that a
crack dealer could buy an assault weapon at the store on the
corner and spray the park with semi-automatic gunfire.

=======================
No, they didn't have that in mind, and only you belive it or are
trying to say that that occurs. Crack dealers have no rights to
buy arms.


Crack dealers who have not lost their rights to buy arms can buy them. You
do realize that not every crack dealer ends up being convicted, right? Heck,
all they have to do is go down to the corner and buy the right weapon to
shoot any witnesses against them!



What I did not say was that such incidents aco****ed for 1000s
of deaths each year, and thus, you are wrong to attribute that
position.

==================
Yet you keep implying it. How many crack dealers are there, how
many parks? Adds up to 1000s of people killed in your fantasy
world of make-believe.


I never said any such thing, nor implied it. If even one person is killed
with an assault weapon - a gun that is designed to kill many people quickly
- that's obviously too many.

Oh, and I see that you are in fact capable of re-posting
information.

We are all still waiting for your repost of the evidence that
Canadians are dying in waiting lines.

=================
I have, and I've told you where else to check several times.
that you wish to remain willfully ignorant is your decision.


What was the date and time of your most recent posting of this information?

It does not seem to be available on usenet.

Anyone else see it?

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"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
et, rick at
wrote on 2/24/05 9:12 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
...


snippage...


Since I never made that claim, seems you are wrong as
usual.
=============
ROTFLMAO What a hoot! what part of...

"...I'm sure that's what the Framers had in mind...that a
crack dealer can arm
his posse with assault weapons with a trip to the gun shack
on
the corner
and spray the local park with semi-automatic (or perhaps
converted to
automatic) gunfire..." kamn 2/20/2005 1:41

...doesn't sound familier to you? Or, are you now claiming
that somebody else here is posting fraudulantly using your
name?

No look at what you said:

"You're the one that claimed that the drug dealers were
buying
assault weapons at the corner gun-mart, and that they killed
1000s of people every year"

==============
Yes, I repeated the gist of your previous spew... A spew that
is
so full of ignorance and idiocy that it only gets the derision
it
deserves.


Your "gist" include a specific claim that I did not make. Thus,
your "gist"
was an attempt to deceive that was exposed.

=====================
No, it was not. The only thing 'exposed' was you continued
ignorance on any subject you seem to reply to.





I remain confident that the Framers did not have in mind that
a
crack dealer could buy an assault weapon at the store on the
corner and spray the park with semi-automatic gunfire.

=======================
No, they didn't have that in mind, and only you belive it or
are
trying to say that that occurs. Crack dealers have no rights
to
buy arms.


Crack dealers who have not lost their rights to buy arms can
buy them. You
do realize that not every crack dealer ends up being convicted,
right? Heck,
all they have to do is go down to the corner and buy the right
weapon to
shoot any witnesses against them!

=====================
LOL Do you make this up as you go, or has your fantasies been
the main part of your life for years now?






What I did not say was that such incidents aco****ed for
1000s
of deaths each year, and thus, you are wrong to attribute
that
position.

==================
Yet you keep implying it. How many crack dealers are there,
how
many parks? Adds up to 1000s of people killed in your fantasy
world of make-believe.


I never said any such thing, nor implied it. If even one person
is killed
with an assault weapon - a gun that is designed to kill many
people quickly
- that's obviously too many.

=====================
Yes, that is exactly what you keep implying when you talk about
spraying in parks.



Oh, and I see that you are in fact capable of re-posting
information.

We are all still waiting for your repost of the evidence that
Canadians are dying in waiting lines.

=================
I have, and I've told you where else to check several times.
that you wish to remain willfully ignorant is your decision.


What was the date and time of your most recent posting of this
information?

It does not seem to be available on usenet.

=================
I have, and I've told you where else to check several times.
that you wish to remain willfully ignorant is your decision.



Anyone else see it?



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in article et, rick at
wrote on 2/24/05 10:44 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
et, rick at
wrote on 2/24/05 9:12 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
...


snippage...


Since I never made that claim, seems you are wrong as
usual.
=============
ROTFLMAO What a hoot! what part of...

"...I'm sure that's what the Framers had in mind...that a
crack dealer can arm
his posse with assault weapons with a trip to the gun shack
on
the corner
and spray the local park with semi-automatic (or perhaps
converted to
automatic) gunfire..." kamn 2/20/2005 1:41

...doesn't sound familier to you? Or, are you now claiming
that somebody else here is posting fraudulantly using your
name?

No look at what you said:

"You're the one that claimed that the drug dealers were
buying
assault weapons at the corner gun-mart, and that they killed
1000s of people every year"
==============
Yes, I repeated the gist of your previous spew... A spew that
is
so full of ignorance and idiocy that it only gets the derision
it
deserves.


Your "gist" include a specific claim that I did not make. Thus,
your "gist"
was an attempt to deceive that was exposed.

=====================
No, it was not.


Whatever it was, it wasn't truthful. Because, the truth is, I never said
what you claimed I said.





I remain confident that the Framers did not have in mind that
a
crack dealer could buy an assault weapon at the store on the
corner and spray the park with semi-automatic gunfire.
=======================
No, they didn't have that in mind, and only you belive it or
are
trying to say that that occurs. Crack dealers have no rights
to
buy arms.


Crack dealers who have not lost their rights to buy arms can
buy them. You
do realize that not every crack dealer ends up being convicted,
right? Heck,
all they have to do is go down to the corner and buy the right
weapon to
shoot any witnesses against them!

=====================
LOL Do you make this up as you go, or has your fantasies been
the main part of your life for years now?


What's to stop an accused crack dealer from buying an assault rifle at the
shop on the corner and shooting a witness?

What I did not say was that such incidents aco****ed for
1000s
of deaths each year, and thus, you are wrong to attribute
that
position.
==================
Yet you keep implying it. How many crack dealers are there,
how
many parks? Adds up to 1000s of people killed in your fantasy
world of make-believe.


I never said any such thing, nor implied it. If even one person
is killed
with an assault weapon - a gun that is designed to kill many
people quickly
- that's obviously too many.

=====================
Yes, that is exactly what you keep implying when you talk about
spraying in parks.


I'm not implying anything. I'm saying it: if more than one person is killed
with an assault weapon that is one too many.

Oh, and I see that you are in fact capable of re-posting
information.

We are all still waiting for your repost of the evidence that
Canadians are dying in waiting lines.
=================
I have, and I've told you where else to check several times.
that you wish to remain willfully ignorant is your decision.


What was the date and time of your most recent posting of this
information?

It does not seem to be available on usenet.

=================
I have, and I've told you where else to check several times.
that you wish to remain willfully ignorant is your decision.



Anyone else see it?


It doesn't seem to be available. Why won't you share the date and time of
yoru most recent post with this information?

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"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
et, rick at
wrote on 2/24/05 10:44 PM:

snip

No look at what you said:

"You're the one that claimed that the drug dealers were
buying
assault weapons at the corner gun-mart, and that they
killed
1000s of people every year"
==============
Yes, I repeated the gist of your previous spew... A spew
that
is
so full of ignorance and idiocy that it only gets the
derision
it
deserves.

Your "gist" include a specific claim that I did not make.
Thus,
your "gist"
was an attempt to deceive that was exposed.

=====================
No, it was not.


Whatever it was, it wasn't truthful. Because, the truth is, I
never said
what you claimed I said.

========================
Your intent was the same...







I remain confident that the Framers did not have in mind
that
a
crack dealer could buy an assault weapon at the store on
the
corner and spray the park with semi-automatic gunfire.
=======================
No, they didn't have that in mind, and only you belive it or
are
trying to say that that occurs. Crack dealers have no
rights
to
buy arms.

Crack dealers who have not lost their rights to buy arms can
buy them. You
do realize that not every crack dealer ends up being
convicted,
right? Heck,
all they have to do is go down to the corner and buy the
right
weapon to
shoot any witnesses against them!

=====================
LOL Do you make this up as you go, or has your fantasies been
the main part of your life for years now?


What's to stop an accused crack dealer from buying an assault
rifle at the
shop on the corner and shooting a witness?

========================
Tellwhen it has happened. Setting up mythical what-ifs isn't a
discussion of rights.




What I did not say was that such incidents aco****ed for
1000s
of deaths each year, and thus, you are wrong to attribute
that
position.
==================
Yet you keep implying it. How many crack dealers are there,
how
many parks? Adds up to 1000s of people killed in your
fantasy
world of make-believe.

I never said any such thing, nor implied it. If even one
person
is killed
with an assault weapon - a gun that is designed to kill many
people quickly
- that's obviously too many.

=====================
Yes, that is exactly what you keep implying when you talk
about
spraying in parks.


I'm not implying anything. I'm saying it: if more than one
person is killed
with an assault weapon that is one too many.

=======================
Why? Why only these so-called assault weapons? Again, what
makes then so much more dangerous than other weapons?



Oh, and I see that you are in fact capable of re-posting
information.

We are all still waiting for your repost of the evidence
that
Canadians are dying in waiting lines.
=================
I have, and I've told you where else to check several times.
that you wish to remain willfully ignorant is your decision.

What was the date and time of your most recent posting of
this
information?

It does not seem to be available on usenet.

=================
I have, and I've told you where else to check several times.
that you wish to remain willfully ignorant is your decision.



Anyone else see it?


It doesn't seem to be available. Why won't you share the date
and time of
yoru most recent post with this information?

======================
What is apparent is your complete ignorance in the use of your
computer. Why are you afraid of the facts?







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in article t, rick at
wrote on 2/25/05 12:13 AM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
et, rick at
wrote on 2/24/05 10:44 PM:

snip

No look at what you said:

"You're the one that claimed that the drug dealers were
buying
assault weapons at the corner gun-mart, and that they
killed
1000s of people every year"
==============
Yes, I repeated the gist of your previous spew... A spew
that
is
so full of ignorance and idiocy that it only gets the
derision
it
deserves.

Your "gist" include a specific claim that I did not make.
Thus,
your "gist"
was an attempt to deceive that was exposed.
=====================
No, it was not.


Whatever it was, it wasn't truthful. Because, the truth is, I
never said
what you claimed I said.

========================
Your intent was the same...


My intent was exactly what I stated, not something you made up.






I remain confident that the Framers did not have in mind
that
a
crack dealer could buy an assault weapon at the store on
the
corner and spray the park with semi-automatic gunfire.
=======================
No, they didn't have that in mind, and only you belive it or
are
trying to say that that occurs. Crack dealers have no
rights
to
buy arms.

Crack dealers who have not lost their rights to buy arms can
buy them. You
do realize that not every crack dealer ends up being
convicted,
right? Heck,
all they have to do is go down to the corner and buy the
right
weapon to
shoot any witnesses against them!
=====================
LOL Do you make this up as you go, or has your fantasies been
the main part of your life for years now?


What's to stop an accused crack dealer from buying an assault
rifle at the
shop on the corner and shooting a witness?

========================
Tellwhen it has happened. Setting up mythical what-ifs isn't a
discussion of rights.


Sure.

http://www.freep.com/news/locway/shoot4_20040604.htm

Now where's your link that proves Canadians are dying in wait lines for
health care?

What I did not say was that such incidents aco****ed for
1000s
of deaths each year, and thus, you are wrong to attribute
that
position.
==================
Yet you keep implying it. How many crack dealers are there,
how
many parks? Adds up to 1000s of people killed in your
fantasy
world of make-believe.

I never said any such thing, nor implied it. If even one
person
is killed
with an assault weapon - a gun that is designed to kill many
people quickly
- that's obviously too many.
=====================
Yes, that is exactly what you keep implying when you talk
about
spraying in parks.


I'm not implying anything. I'm saying it: if more than one
person is killed
with an assault weapon that is one too many.

=======================
Why? Why only these so-called assault weapons? Again, what
makes then so much more dangerous than other weapons?


Uhm. The fact that you can fire a lot of bullets in a short period of time?
Duh.

Oh, and I see that you are in fact capable of re-posting
information.

We are all still waiting for your repost of the evidence
that
Canadians are dying in waiting lines.
=================
I have, and I've told you where else to check several times.
that you wish to remain willfully ignorant is your decision.

What was the date and time of your most recent posting of
this
information?

It does not seem to be available on usenet.
=================
I have, and I've told you where else to check several times.
that you wish to remain willfully ignorant is your decision.



Anyone else see it?


It doesn't seem to be available. Why won't you share the date
and time of
yoru most recent post with this information?

======================
What is apparent is your complete ignorance in the use of your
computer. Why are you afraid of the facts?


Please share them.

As you are aware, thus far you are the only person that can see them.


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"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article t,
rick at
wrote on 2/25/05 12:13 AM:


snip



Whatever it was, it wasn't truthful. Because, the truth is, I
never said
what you claimed I said.

========================
Your intent was the same...


My intent was exactly what I stated, not something you made up.

====================
Yes, spewing your ignorance. That wasn't something I made up.








I remain confident that the Framers did not have in mind
that
a
crack dealer could buy an assault weapon at the store on
the
corner and spray the park with semi-automatic gunfire.
=======================
No, they didn't have that in mind, and only you belive it
or
are
trying to say that that occurs. Crack dealers have no
rights
to
buy arms.

Crack dealers who have not lost their rights to buy arms
can
buy them. You
do realize that not every crack dealer ends up being
convicted,
right? Heck,
all they have to do is go down to the corner and buy the
right
weapon to
shoot any witnesses against them!
=====================
LOL Do you make this up as you go, or has your fantasies
been
the main part of your life for years now?

What's to stop an accused crack dealer from buying an assault
rifle at the
shop on the corner and shooting a witness?

========================
Tellwhen it has happened. Setting up mythical what-ifs isn't
a
discussion of rights.


Sure.

http://www.freep.com/news/locway/shoot4_20040604.htm
=====================
NAme the corner store they bought their weapons from, fool.
thanks again for displaying your ignorant ideology.

But I'll see your corner gun-marts and raise you a corner gun
rent-a-center, like they have in Toronto.
http://www.diversitywatch.ryerson.ca...globe_jan7.htm




Now where's your link that proves Canadians are dying in wait
lines for
health care?

=================
I have, and I've told you where else to check several times.
that you wish to remain willfully ignorant is your decision.



What I did not say was that such incidents aco****ed for
1000s
of deaths each year, and thus, you are wrong to attribute
that
position.
==================
Yet you keep implying it. How many crack dealers are
there,
how
many parks? Adds up to 1000s of people killed in your
fantasy
world of make-believe.

I never said any such thing, nor implied it. If even one
person
is killed
with an assault weapon - a gun that is designed to kill
many
people quickly
- that's obviously too many.
=====================
Yes, that is exactly what you keep implying when you talk
about
spraying in parks.

I'm not implying anything. I'm saying it: if more than one
person is killed
with an assault weapon that is one too many.

=======================
Why? Why only these so-called assault weapons? Again, what
makes then so much more dangerous than other weapons?


Uhm. The fact that you can fire a lot of bullets in a short
period of time?
Duh.

===========================
DUH, fool. Thanks again for proving your ignorance. Lots of
non-assault styled weapons can fire 'lots of bullets in a short
period of time', dolt. Thanks again for proving its all about
your ignorant ideology.



Oh, and I see that you are in fact capable of re-posting
information.

We are all still waiting for your repost of the evidence
that
Canadians are dying in waiting lines.
=================
I have, and I've told you where else to check several
times.
that you wish to remain willfully ignorant is your
decision.

What was the date and time of your most recent posting of
this
information?

It does not seem to be available on usenet.
=================
I have, and I've told you where else to check several times.
that you wish to remain willfully ignorant is your decision.



Anyone else see it?

It doesn't seem to be available. Why won't you share the date
and time of
yoru most recent post with this information?

======================
What is apparent is your complete ignorance in the use of your
computer. Why are you afraid of the facts?


Please share them.

As you are aware, thus far you are the only person that can see
them.

====================
As everyone is now aware, you are too stupid to use your
computer, even when told where to look. Like I said before fool,
that you are too afraid to know the facts is no skin off my nose.
I gave you the opportunity to find them yourself, because if I
bring them up, you claim they are biased sources. Whay a hoot
you are. thabnks again for proving your ignorant ideology...

\




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A Usenet persona calling itself KMAN wrote:

What's to stop an accused crack dealer from buying an assault rifle at the
shop on the corner and shooting a witness?


Well, a couple of things: First, there's the background check prior to
purchase and second, and most importantly, there's the likelyhood that the
witness will himself be armed and capable of defending himself. Third, there
may be other armed citizens around who can likewise take down the crack
dealer.

Then there's the fact that he'll probably be in jail and won't be able to
even attempt to buy a gun.

But, sometimes that happens, though quite rarely. Most crack dealers are
crack dealers, not murderers. These days, a lot of them don't even carry
guns, because the penalties for dealing crack while in possession of a gun
are positively draconian...and should be.



I'm not implying anything. I'm saying it: if more than one person is killed
with an assault weapon that is one too many.


Utopian nonsense.

How about if that "one person" is a child-molester/murderer just about to
slit the throat of a little boy he's just finished raping? Is it okay to
shoot him with an "assault weapon?"

How about if that "one person" is about to slit YOUR throat? Would you be
hoping someone might kill him before he finishes, or is your dedication to
non-violence deep enough that you would rather be brutally and painfully
murdered rather than have your attacker killed by someone with a gun?

How about if it's your wife, or your child?

How deep is your belief?

I've never met anybody who didn't have a limit somewhere that would provoke
them to use deadly force to defend someone dear to them.

Are you the first?

Somehow I doubt it.
--
Regards,
Scott Weiser

"I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend on
friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" TM

© 2005 Scott Weiser

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in article et, rick at
wrote on 2/24/05 10:44 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
et, rick at
wrote on 2/24/05 9:12 PM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
...


snippage...


Since I never made that claim, seems you are wrong as
usual.
=============
ROTFLMAO What a hoot! what part of...

"...I'm sure that's what the Framers had in mind...that a
crack dealer can arm
his posse with assault weapons with a trip to the gun shack
on
the corner
and spray the local park with semi-automatic (or perhaps
converted to
automatic) gunfire..." kamn 2/20/2005 1:41

...doesn't sound familier to you? Or, are you now claiming
that somebody else here is posting fraudulantly using your
name?

No look at what you said:

"You're the one that claimed that the drug dealers were
buying
assault weapons at the corner gun-mart, and that they killed
1000s of people every year"
==============
Yes, I repeated the gist of your previous spew... A spew that
is
so full of ignorance and idiocy that it only gets the derision
it
deserves.


Your "gist" include a specific claim that I did not make. Thus,
your "gist"
was an attempt to deceive that was exposed.

=====================
No, it was not. The only thing 'exposed' was you continued
ignorance on any subject you seem to reply to.





I remain confident that the Framers did not have in mind that
a
crack dealer could buy an assault weapon at the store on the
corner and spray the park with semi-automatic gunfire.
=======================
No, they didn't have that in mind, and only you belive it or
are
trying to say that that occurs. Crack dealers have no rights
to
buy arms.


Crack dealers who have not lost their rights to buy arms can
buy them. You
do realize that not every crack dealer ends up being convicted,
right? Heck,
all they have to do is go down to the corner and buy the right
weapon to
shoot any witnesses against them!

=====================
LOL Do you make this up as you go, or has your fantasies been
the main part of your life for years now?






What I did not say was that such incidents aco****ed for
1000s
of deaths each year, and thus, you are wrong to attribute
that
position.
==================
Yet you keep implying it. How many crack dealers are there,
how
many parks? Adds up to 1000s of people killed in your fantasy
world of make-believe.


I never said any such thing, nor implied it. If even one person
is killed
with an assault weapon - a gun that is designed to kill many
people quickly
- that's obviously too many.

=====================
Yes, that is exactly what you keep implying when you talk about
spraying in parks.


It happens.

http://www.freep.com/news/locway/shoot4_20040604.htm

Detroit shooting spree deaths climb

Multiple victims contribute to alarming homicide rate

June 4, 2004

Destiny Payne, 11, lost an eye after her home on Dequindre was shot up in
April. With her is her mom, Yolanda Richardson. Police say the suspect
admitted to having the wrong house. His real target was a rival drug dealer.
Gunmen spraying bullets with high-powered weapons and killing more than one
person during a single shooting spree are driving up Detroit's homicide
rate.

Detroit police call it the new gangster mentality. The haphazard shooters
kill more than one person in an effort to leave no witnesses behind or to
send messages of dominance without regard to who is in the bullets' paths.

Such manic gunplay is the latest trend in one of America's most violent
cities, according to Detroit police, national experts and a Free Press
analysis of homicide statistics over the past 2 1/2 years.

The numbers show:

* About 60 multiple-victim shootings through May 31 of this year. In 17
of those cases, more than one person died, compared with seven such deaths
at this time last year.

* The practice of shooting up homes, cars and yards is catching children
in the cross fire, contributing to child homicides.

RELATED CONTENT

* HOMICIDE VICTIMS: Those in drug trade are statistic leaders

* Of the nation's 10 largest cities, Detroit -- ranked 10th --
experienced the greatest increase in homicides in the first five months of
this year -- in large part, because of multiple-victim shootings.

But Detroit police say one of the biggest culprits in multiple-victim
homicides is rival drug dealers.

"There is a drug war in this city. It's not an organized war; it's a
guerrilla war," said a Detroit homicide detective, who asked not to be named
because he feared retaliation for speaking without department permission.
Criminologists say they do not know of any other city that is experiencing
as many multiple-victim shootings and related homicides as Detroit.
According to police in the nine other largest cities, such shootings are
rare.

Detroit homicide detectives call them common.

During a single week in May, there were three multiple-victim shootings,
killing two people and injuring seven. There were no triple, quadruple or
quintuple homicides at this time last year. But this year, there have been.

"You may or may not have the right house. You may or may not have the right
person. You may or may not have the right person in the right house,"
Detroit Homicide Lt. William Petersen said of shooters. "It's just stupid.
There are so many people dying of stupidity out here."

And sometimes, children are the unintended victims.

This year, 11 children 16 and younger have been killed, four accidentally.In
at least one case, children were injured when a shooter took aim at the
wrong house.

Last Friday, a 4-year-old was killed when someone shot up her father's car
as he was putting his children inside. The child's father also died. A
6-month-old child was not injured. There have been no arrests.

Four children were wounded April 7 when the wrong house was sprayed with
gunfire.

Yolanda Richardson was making Easter plans with her six children and an
8-year-old guest at her home in the 17500 block of Dequindre when the walls
exploded with bullets.

The bullets hit Richardson in the buttocks; they struck 16-year-old Johnnie
and 9-year-old Precious in the foot.

Her daughter Destiny Payne, 11, started running upstairs, pushing her friend
up with her, Richardson said. Destiny turned around and was hit once.

She lost her right eye.

Police arrested the alleged shooter, who they say admitted that he shot up
the wrong house while looking for a rival drug dealer.

At the home, bullet holes remain in a chair and to the right of the door.

Richardson is looking for a new home, but she can't afford one. The family
is staying wherever they can find space.

"We were a house full of kids," she said. "Now we are everywhere."

But officers also deal with the other extreme -- when a shooter deliberately
targets everyone inside.

On March 1, for example, someone got out of a white Ford Taurus and opened
fire as he walked up to the home of a reputed drug dealer in the 9700 block
of Woodlawn. Using an AK47, he fatally shot Kevin Cooper, 33, Robert Neal,
32, and Dorian Latham, 39, all of Detroit.

Two days later, Toryana Royal, 22, turned himself in to the 12th (Palmer
Park) Precinct. Another suspect, Alfonzo Thomas, 20, is still on the lam.

5 months, 3 increases

Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said she cannot explain why Detroit has
more multiple-victim shootings than most cities but that she thinks better
technology could curtail them.

Worthy said she would like to have better ways to track guns and casings so
her office could better link criminals to crimes. That linkage could
increase their prison sentences. She said criminals who kill more than one
person often have committed other crimes.

In the span of five months, the city homicide rate has seen three surges,
Detroit Police Chief Ella Bully-Cummings said. The chief declined to be
interviewed for this story.

The first uptick was in January, when 18 people were killed in a six-day
period -- including a triple and three double homicides.The homicide rate
surged again in mid-February, resulting in a decision by police brass to
require officers to work 12-hour shifts to help curb the trend.

The rate climbed again throughout much of April, when about 40 people were
killed. In one week in April, there were four multiple-victim shootings.

James Alan Fox, a Northeastern University criminologist, said there has been
a slight increase in gang-related homicides nationally, led by Los Angeles
and Chicago. But Detroit is not plagued by organized gangs.

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"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
et, rick at
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"KMAN" wrote in message
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snippage...


Since I never made that claim, seems you are wrong as
usual.
=============
ROTFLMAO What a hoot! what part of...

"...I'm sure that's what the Framers had in mind...that a
crack dealer can arm
his posse with assault weapons with a trip to the gun
shack
on
the corner
and spray the local park with semi-automatic (or perhaps
converted to
automatic) gunfire..." kamn 2/20/2005 1:41

...doesn't sound familier to you? Or, are you now
claiming
that somebody else here is posting fraudulantly using your
name?

No look at what you said:

"You're the one that claimed that the drug dealers were
buying
assault weapons at the corner gun-mart, and that they
killed
1000s of people every year"
==============
Yes, I repeated the gist of your previous spew... A spew
that
is
so full of ignorance and idiocy that it only gets the
derision
it
deserves.

Your "gist" include a specific claim that I did not make.
Thus,
your "gist"
was an attempt to deceive that was exposed.

=====================
No, it was not. The only thing 'exposed' was you continued
ignorance on any subject you seem to reply to.





I remain confident that the Framers did not have in mind
that
a
crack dealer could buy an assault weapon at the store on
the
corner and spray the park with semi-automatic gunfire.
=======================
No, they didn't have that in mind, and only you belive it or
are
trying to say that that occurs. Crack dealers have no
rights
to
buy arms.

Crack dealers who have not lost their rights to buy arms can
buy them. You
do realize that not every crack dealer ends up being
convicted,
right? Heck,
all they have to do is go down to the corner and buy the
right
weapon to
shoot any witnesses against them!

=====================
LOL Do you make this up as you go, or has your fantasies been
the main part of your life for years now?






What I did not say was that such incidents aco****ed for
1000s
of deaths each year, and thus, you are wrong to attribute
that
position.
==================
Yet you keep implying it. How many crack dealers are there,
how
many parks? Adds up to 1000s of people killed in your
fantasy
world of make-believe.

I never said any such thing, nor implied it. If even one
person
is killed
with an assault weapon - a gun that is designed to kill many
people quickly
- that's obviously too many.

=====================
Yes, that is exactly what you keep implying when you talk
about
spraying in parks.


It happens.

===================
What corner store did they buy these guns from? Your ignorance
is exposed, again...





http://www.freep.com/news/locway/shoot4_20040604.htm

Detroit shooting spree deaths climb

Multiple victims contribute to alarming homicide rate

June 4, 2004

Destiny Payne, 11, lost an eye after her home on Dequindre was
shot up in
April. With her is her mom, Yolanda Richardson. Police say the
suspect
admitted to having the wrong house. His real target was a rival
drug dealer.
Gunmen spraying bullets with high-powered weapons and killing
more than one
person during a single shooting spree are driving up Detroit's
homicide
rate.

Detroit police call it the new gangster mentality. The
haphazard shooters
kill more than one person in an effort to leave no witnesses
behind or to
send messages of dominance without regard to who is in the
bullets' paths.

Such manic gunplay is the latest trend in one of America's most
violent
cities, according to Detroit police, national experts and a
Free Press
analysis of homicide statistics over the past 2 1/2 years.

The numbers show:

* About 60 multiple-victim shootings through May 31 of this
year. In 17
of those cases, more than one person died, compared with seven
such deaths
at this time last year.

* The practice of shooting up homes, cars and yards is
catching children
in the cross fire, contributing to child homicides.

RELATED CONTENT

* HOMICIDE VICTIMS: Those in drug trade are statistic
leaders

* Of the nation's 10 largest cities, Detroit -- ranked
10th --
experienced the greatest increase in homicides in the first
five months of
this year -- in large part, because of multiple-victim
shootings.

But Detroit police say one of the biggest culprits in
multiple-victim
homicides is rival drug dealers.

"There is a drug war in this city. It's not an organized war;
it's a
guerrilla war," said a Detroit homicide detective, who asked
not to be named
because he feared retaliation for speaking without department
permission.
Criminologists say they do not know of any other city that is
experiencing
as many multiple-victim shootings and related homicides as
Detroit.
According to police in the nine other largest cities, such
shootings are
rare.

Detroit homicide detectives call them common.

During a single week in May, there were three multiple-victim
shootings,
killing two people and injuring seven. There were no triple,
quadruple or
quintuple homicides at this time last year. But this year,
there have been.

"You may or may not have the right house. You may or may not
have the right
person. You may or may not have the right person in the right
house,"
Detroit Homicide Lt. William Petersen said of shooters. "It's
just stupid.
There are so many people dying of stupidity out here."

And sometimes, children are the unintended victims.

This year, 11 children 16 and younger have been killed, four
accidentally.In
at least one case, children were injured when a shooter took
aim at the
wrong house.

Last Friday, a 4-year-old was killed when someone shot up her
father's car
as he was putting his children inside. The child's father also
died. A
6-month-old child was not injured. There have been no arrests.

Four children were wounded April 7 when the wrong house was
sprayed with
gunfire.

Yolanda Richardson was making Easter plans with her six
children and an
8-year-old guest at her home in the 17500 block of Dequindre
when the walls
exploded with bullets.

The bullets hit Richardson in the buttocks; they struck
16-year-old Johnnie
and 9-year-old Precious in the foot.

Her daughter Destiny Payne, 11, started running upstairs,
pushing her friend
up with her, Richardson said. Destiny turned around and was hit
once.

She lost her right eye.

Police arrested the alleged shooter, who they say admitted that
he shot up
the wrong house while looking for a rival drug dealer.

At the home, bullet holes remain in a chair and to the right of
the door.

Richardson is looking for a new home, but she can't afford one.
The family
is staying wherever they can find space.

"We were a house full of kids," she said. "Now we are
everywhere."

But officers also deal with the other extreme -- when a shooter
deliberately
targets everyone inside.

On March 1, for example, someone got out of a white Ford Taurus
and opened
fire as he walked up to the home of a reputed drug dealer in
the 9700 block
of Woodlawn. Using an AK47, he fatally shot Kevin Cooper, 33,
Robert Neal,
32, and Dorian Latham, 39, all of Detroit.

Two days later, Toryana Royal, 22, turned himself in to the
12th (Palmer
Park) Precinct. Another suspect, Alfonzo Thomas, 20, is still
on the lam.

5 months, 3 increases

Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said she cannot explain why
Detroit has
more multiple-victim shootings than most cities but that she
thinks better
technology could curtail them.

Worthy said she would like to have better ways to track guns
and casings so
her office could better link criminals to crimes. That linkage
could
increase their prison sentences. She said criminals who kill
more than one
person often have committed other crimes.

In the span of five months, the city homicide rate has seen
three surges,
Detroit Police Chief Ella Bully-Cummings said. The chief
declined to be
interviewed for this story.

The first uptick was in January, when 18 people were killed in
a six-day
period -- including a triple and three double homicides.The
homicide rate
surged again in mid-February, resulting in a decision by police
brass to
require officers to work 12-hour shifts to help curb the trend.

The rate climbed again throughout much of April, when about 40
people were
killed. In one week in April, there were four multiple-victim
shootings.

James Alan Fox, a Northeastern University criminologist, said
there has been
a slight increase in gang-related homicides nationally, led by
Los Angeles
and Chicago. But Detroit is not plagued by organized gangs.





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