"Michael Daly" wrote in message
...
On 20-Feb-2005, "rick" wrote:

Start at the Fraser Institute.

The Fraser Institute hardly constitutes an unbiased source.
Sort of like getting your news from Fox.
================
Then try CBC, unions, and Universities. That you want to kill
the messenger for putting all the data together says more about
your desire to disinform than to rationally look at the data.



Mike

in article t, rick at
wrote on 2/21/05 8:54 PM:


"Michael Daly" wrote in message
...
On 20-Feb-2005, "rick" wrote:

Start at the Fraser Institute.

The Fraser Institute hardly constitutes an unbiased source.
Sort of like getting your news from Fox.
================
Then try CBC, unions, and Universities. That you want to kill
the messenger for putting all the data together says more about
your desire to disinform than to rationally look at the data.

Mike

A health care union is obviously severly biased in that it benefits their
bottom line to seek additional funds for health care. Nevertheless, please
point us to the union information that proves Canadians are dying in waiting
lines. Feel free to throw in CBC and university information that
demonstrates the same.

KMAN, I suggested to rick that we take this debate to another level as
he alluded to being interested in discussions beyond Canada versus USA
comparisons. However, when I asked him for examples of what he deemed
to be better systems, he reverted to an adversarial stance. I have to
conclude that he actually knows nothing at all about healthcare.

I would welcome a healthcare discussion. For example, I'd really
welcome input from anyone who knows something about Finland. Over the
last 4-5 years I've marvelled as Finland scores high on a variety of
international comparisons -- health, education, quality of life,
economy. I'd love to know how they're doing it.

I doubt, however, that rick can be of much help in that regard.

frtzw906

in article , BCITORGB
at wrote on 2/21/05 10:58 PM:

KMAN, I suggested to rick that we take this debate to another level as
he alluded to being interested in discussions beyond Canada versus USA
comparisons. However, when I asked him for examples of what he deemed
to be better systems, he reverted to an adversarial stance. I have to
conclude that he actually knows nothing at all about healthcare.

What was your first clue? His quick descent into name-calling, or inability
to provide sources to back any of his ridiculous claims?

I would welcome a healthcare discussion. For example, I'd really
welcome input from anyone who knows something about Finland. Over the
last 4-5 years I've marvelled as Finland scores high on a variety of
international comparisons -- health, education, quality of life,
economy. I'd love to know how they're doing it.

I doubt, however, that rick can be of much help in that regard.

frtzw906

I'd love to hear from someone who lives or has lived there!

"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
, BCITORGB
at wrote on 2/21/05 10:58 PM:

KMAN, I suggested to rick that we take this debate to another
level as
he alluded to being interested in discussions beyond Canada
versus USA
comparisons. However, when I asked him for examples of what he
deemed
to be better systems, he reverted to an adversarial stance. I
have to
conclude that he actually knows nothing at all about
healthcare.

What was your first clue? His quick descent into name-calling,
or inability
to provide sources to back any of his ridiculous claims?
====================
LOL What a hoot!!! I have provided proof. You, on the other
hand, rely on chest-thumping, 'mines better than yours' mentality
even when i never claimed a system better. that you refuse to
see the flaws pointed out by your own sources proves your
ideology has far more control than your brain.




I would welcome a healthcare discussion. For example, I'd
really
welcome input from anyone who knows something about Finland.
Over the
last 4-5 years I've marvelled as Finland scores high on a
variety of
international comparisons -- health, education, quality of
life,
economy. I'd love to know how they're doing it.

I doubt, however, that rick can be of much help in that
regard.
===========================
I know that you we not be of any help, since you have decided to
stick your head in the sand and pretend that all is fine.



frtzw906

I'd love to hear from someone who lives or has lived there!

in article et, rick at
wrote on 2/22/05 12:12 AM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
, BCITORGB
at wrote on 2/21/05 10:58 PM:

KMAN, I suggested to rick that we take this debate to another
level as
he alluded to being interested in discussions beyond Canada
versus USA
comparisons. However, when I asked him for examples of what he
deemed
to be better systems, he reverted to an adversarial stance. I
have to
conclude that he actually knows nothing at all about
healthcare.

What was your first clue? His quick descent into name-calling,
or inability
to provide sources to back any of his ridiculous claims?
====================
LOL What a hoot!!! I have provided proof.

Please point me to the post in which you provided proof that Canadians are
dying while in wait lines for care. If you can do so, I will gladly
apologize.

You, on the other
hand, rely on chest-thumping, 'mines better than yours' mentality
even when i never claimed a system better. that you refuse to
see the flaws pointed out by your own sources proves your
ideology has far more control than your brain.

Could be, but that does nothing to change the fact that an allegation was
made and it cannot be substantiated.

Since you asked, there are obviously pros and cons to each system, many of
which I have readily acknowledged you've chosen not to pay attention,
perhaps because you have managed to humiliate yourself so thoroughly.


I would welcome a healthcare discussion. For example, I'd
really
welcome input from anyone who knows something about Finland.
Over the
last 4-5 years I've marvelled as Finland scores high on a
variety of
international comparisons -- health, education, quality of
life,
economy. I'd love to know how they're doing it.

I doubt, however, that rick can be of much help in that
regard.
===========================
I know that you we not be of any help, since you have decided to
stick your head in the sand and pretend that all is fine.

Have you ever asked me what problems there are with Canadian health care?
I've actually mentioned some, but you haven't been paying attention.

I got invovled in this thread because there was a ridiculous and utterly
false allegation made that Canadians were dying in wait lines for health
care. It isn't true. If you'd care to simply acknoweldge that there is no
evidence to support that allegation, perhaps we can move on and actually
talk about the merits and problems of different health care systems.




frtzw906

I'd love to hear from someone who lives or has lived there!

"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
et, rick at
wrote on 2/22/05 12:12 AM:


"KMAN" wrote in message
...
in article
,
BCITORGB
at wrote on 2/21/05 10:58 PM:

KMAN, I suggested to rick that we take this debate to
another
level as
he alluded to being interested in discussions beyond Canada
versus USA
comparisons. However, when I asked him for examples of what
he
deemed
to be better systems, he reverted to an adversarial stance.
I
have to
conclude that he actually knows nothing at all about
healthcare.

What was your first clue? His quick descent into
name-calling,
or inability
to provide sources to back any of his ridiculous claims?
====================
LOL What a hoot!!! I have provided proof.

Please point me to the post in which you provided proof that
Canadians are
dying while in wait lines for care. If you can do so, I will
gladly
apologize.
=====================
Pucker up, fool...



You, on the other
hand, rely on chest-thumping, 'mines better than yours'
mentality
even when i never claimed a system better. that you refuse to
see the flaws pointed out by your own sources proves your
ideology has far more control than your brain.

Could be, but that does nothing to change the fact that an
allegation was
made and it cannot be substantiated.
=================
Yet there are, by many Canadian sources. You are afraid to look
into them...


Since you asked, there are obviously pros and cons to each
system, many of
which I have readily acknowledged you've chosen not to pay
attention,
perhaps because you have managed to humiliate yourself so
thoroughly.
====================
LOL What a hoot! You're the one running as fast as you can from
any data. You really are this stupid, aren't you?



I would welcome a healthcare discussion. For example, I'd
really
welcome input from anyone who knows something about Finland.
Over the
last 4-5 years I've marvelled as Finland scores high on a
variety of
international comparisons -- health, education, quality of
life,
economy. I'd love to know how they're doing it.

I doubt, however, that rick can be of much help in that
regard.
===========================
I know that you we not be of any help, since you have decided
to
stick your head in the sand and pretend that all is fine.

Have you ever asked me what problems there are with Canadian
health care?
I've actually mentioned some, but you haven't been paying
attention.
====================
No, you're too busy chest-thumping...


I got invovled in this thread because there was a ridiculous
and utterly
false allegation made that Canadians were dying in wait lines
for health
care. It isn't true. If you'd care to simply acknoweldge that
there is no
evidence to support that allegation, perhaps we can move on and
actually
talk about the merits and problems of different health care
systems.
===========================
Then prove that the canadians sites data I've seen is false. But
then, you'd have to actually look into the data first, and we
know you are afraid to do that, aren't you?





frtzw906

I'd love to hear from someone who lives or has lived there!

"BCITORGB" wrote in message
oups.com...
....Over the
last 4-5 years I've marvelled as Finland scores high on a variety of
international comparisons -- health, education, quality of life,
economy. I'd love to know how they're doing it.

They drink a lot.

Wolfgang

But Wolfgang, that applies to most of the nations in North Europe....
WOW! Eureka! I think you've got it!

LOL. Thanks for the humor.

frtzw906

BCITORGB wrote:
But Wolfgang, that applies to most of the nations in North Europe....
WOW! Eureka! I think you've got it!

LOL. Thanks for the humor.

frtzw906

I just got back into town, from a weekend of waiting in lift lines
(Actually not to bad for holiday weekend.)

Now catching up on the news here, I think I am going to die waiting in
line, for rick and KMAN to figure out what line we are waiting in. So
where do I get this refreshing elixir of life at? TnT