rick, do you only read what you want? Did you miss what I said earlier?
Once more.... wait for it...... read carefully now..... I said "You've
been on about jingoistic breast-beating etc, so I thought I'd come
clean. There are problems with the Canadian healthcare system. There
are escalating costs. There are localized shortages. There are areas of
inefficiency. And, there is an on-going national dialogue about how to
deal with these issues. "

OK, did you get that? Now did you get what I followed up with? My
follow-up was that whereas Canadians may be seeking solutions to the
problems, the American model would be unlikely to be such a solution.
Without even getting into moral or ethical questions (which are very
much a part of the debate), and simply dealing with economics and
questions of systemic efficiency, the American model falls short.

My point has been simple: the American models fails on just too many
counts to be worthy of consideration.

I agree: You have not held up the American model as being flawless.
However, would I be correct in discerning that you'd prefer the
American system over the Canadian system?

frtzw906

"BCITORGB" wrote in message
ups.com...
rick, do you only read what you want? Did you miss what I said
earlier?
Once more.... wait for it...... read carefully now..... I said
"You've
been on about jingoistic breast-beating etc, so I thought I'd
come
clean. There are problems with the Canadian healthcare system.
There
are escalating costs. There are localized shortages. There are
areas of
inefficiency. And, there is an on-going national dialogue about
how to
deal with these issues. "
=====================
Yes, I did see you 'say' those things, and then you go on to
clouding the issue by claiming that the site that i used to
report the facts was not credible. Again, you make light of your
systems flaws. Like saying 'localized' shortages when everything
I've seen shows wait lists across canada. Some far too long to
be called a health 'care' system. Again, the data is there from
Media outlets, Unions, Universities, and more.



OK, did you get that? Now did you get what I followed up with?
My
follow-up was that whereas Canadians may be seeking solutions
to the
problems, the American model would be unlikely to be such a
solution.
====================
And, no where have i ever said it should be. Selective reading
of your own?


Without even getting into moral or ethical questions (which are
very
much a part of the debate), and simply dealing with economics
and
questions of systemic efficiency, the American model falls
short.
=====================
LOL That's the point. You claim that of the US system, and
ignore the shortcomes of the Canadian system. Being #30 vs #38
is hardly cause for all your chest thumping.



My point has been simple: the American models fails on just too
many
counts to be worthy of consideration.
====================
As does the Canadian one compared to many other systems.


I agree: You have not held up the American model as being
flawless.
However, would I be correct in discerning that you'd prefer the
American system over the Canadian system?
===========================
Again, something I have never claimed. That said, if I were in
need of treatment, and could get it without waiting, i'd be on my
way there.



frtzw906

rick says, in reference to healthcare systems:
=================
As does the Canadian one compared to many other systems.
=================

I think the "healthcare" debate is an important one. I'm open to your
input regarding what might be improvements to what Canada has. Or, in
your opinion, is there a national system which you think is worth
emulating?

I don't think we need to be calling one another idiots (unless it's for
guys who can't get past "if it's American it must be the best"
positions).

Anyway, I'm happy to explore alternate systems.

frtzw906

"BCITORGB" wrote in message
ups.com...
rick says, in reference to healthcare systems:
=================
As does the Canadian one compared to many other systems.
=================

I think the "healthcare" debate is an important one. I'm open
to your
input regarding what might be improvements to what Canada has.
Or, in
your opinion, is there a national system which you think is
worth
emulating?

I don't think we need to be calling one another idiots (unless
it's for
guys who can't get past "if it's American it must be the best"
positions).
================
LOL In this case it applies to those that can't accept the
problems in Canadian health care, and can't get passed the
"it's Canadian and not American, so it has to be the best."


Anyway, I'm happy to explore alternate systems.
=================
Not if, like kman, you refuse to even accept that there are wait
lists, and only 'localized' problems.



frtzw906

rick, so really have nothing to offer.

cu
frtzw906

"BCITORGB" wrote in message
ups.com...
rick, so really have nothing to offer.
===============\
LOL Unlike you and kman I have provided information. You have
not. Guess we know now who is tap dancing around, eh?




cu
frtzw906

Sorry, rick, my news client seems to be cutting stuff off: what did you
say about systems other than Canada or the USA? Try again, and I'll see
if I can fix the software problem at my end. I look forward to your
input.

Cheers,
frtzw906

in article t, rick at
wrote on 2/22/05 12:09 AM:


"BCITORGB" wrote in message
ups.com...
rick, so really have nothing to offer.
===============\
LOL Unlike you and kman I have provided information. You have
not. Guess we know now who is tap dancing around, eh?

You've provided a very limited amount of information, none of which has
anything do with substantiating the allegation at hand.

I allege that you are in fact a turd, Rick Etter. Please provide proof from
one of your unions, universities, or media sources that shows I am wrong.