TnT says:
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In a C environment the individual produces and determines the
distribution of the proceeds of the production. In a S environment, the
individual produces, and the government determines the distribution
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I hope you'll share that information with the thousands of people who
hold shares in Siemen, Mercedes, etc... I expect a massive sell-off of
those shares once they hear your news!

TnT, have you ever been to Europe?

frtzw906

TnT says:
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Countries with more
involvement are defined as Socialistic, and countries with less, as
Capitalistic.
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that's not particularly helpful. where do you draw the line?

frtzw906

TnT says:
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There are some that want more federal involvement, hence more
taxes, and there are some who want less. Less fed, and less taxes. The
first are social liberals, and the second is capitalist conservatives.
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A where do huge firms who hold out their hands for corporate welfare
fit into your scheme? those would be, by your nomenclature, those who
want lower taxes for corporations, but more federal involvement by way
of subsidies, tariffs, environmental dispensations. you'll need to find
a spot for them.

frtzw906

TnT says:
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All politicians love to collect money to spend
on their pet projects, and some are quite expensive.
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i'm guessing the war in iraq is one of those pet projects

frtzw906

TnT says:
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I could consider myself more of a libertarian
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hey, i considered myself one as well... then i came to my senses... the
world does not work that way.

ayn rand makes for a good read (or not), but it is pure fiction.

frtzw906

TnT says:
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Maybe, though the typical Christian School educated student scores way
above average on SAT. It is the public schools sector that teaches all
this enlightened scientific stuff to the exclusion of the Christian
perspective, that drags down the test results! You do the math. TnT
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No, you do the math. most private schools (christian included) feel no
need to enroll the seriously disadvantaged (physical or mental). those
students are left to the public schools.

the meager tax dollars allocated to the public schools must serve to
educate the entire spectrum of students. you're the entrepreneur: you
do the math.

btw, please check the math and science score of most christian schools:
they are atrocious!

historical sidebar: so long as the catholic church had a stranglehold
of the curricula of irish schools, ireland scored among the poorest of
all western nations in math and science. the irish are now (perhaps
because they've seen the light through membership in the EU) somewhat
less enamoured with the catholic church. Hallelujah, their math and
science score are just fine, thank you very much!

frtzw906

TnT says:
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Banana Republics, and nice way to say fake government, no doubt. But
again I don't buy the stretch that they represented any sort of
capitalism
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then what was United Fruit company? a hippie collective? a kibbutz?

frtzw906

Mike says:
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Actually, the Danes just re-elected a right-wing majority for their
second term
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right. but as we all know, "right-wing" by danish standards hardly
equates with right-wing in the USA.

that's why i find it so droll when republican americans get ecstatic
about CDU gains in germany, the rising poll numbers for dutch
right-wing parties etc etc.... they have no clue that even though they
are "right-wing" by european standards, they are a very FAR cry from
anything called right-wing in the USA. Kerry, for example, might have
made for a very right-wing euro politician.


frtzw906

TnT says:
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Oh yeah, I forgot about the NAZI, that means National Capitalistic
party! No wait, I am wrong, that was National Socialist Party. Sorry
they don't fill the bill.
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you might want to tell that to the thousands of trade unionists jailed
by the NAZIs.

i suspect you don't know why they were jailed do you? they were jailed
for actively supporting the socialist party. and, also, for actively
campaigning against the nazi party.

do you have any idea why they opposed the nazi party? for starters,
because the nazi party supported the huge capitalist concerns (of
course, only for nation strategic purposes, to use komrad weiser's
paradigm). in many ways, the nazi party acted against the interests of
the german proletariat in the same way the american government ignored
the interests of ordinary latin american citizens while propping up
american corporate interests (of course, purely for national strategic
reasons).

i'm telling you TnT, the founders of your once-proud republic must be
turning over in their graves... so much promise, and it has come to
this.

now do you get the problem with labels?

frtzw906

BCITORGB wrote:
TnT says:
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Regarding Chile... Granted the beggar selling
pencils on the street could be considered a free Enterprise
entrepreneur,
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Beggars in the street! What are you talking about. Does the word
MINING
meaning anything to you?

frtzw906

NAZI Germany, and Banana Republics with Government sanction, bought and
paid for National Economic Enterprises, whether mining, oil, or
armament factories, hardly make a capitalistic economy. Granted there
may be some oligarchs that profit hansomly, but always at the expense
of the masses, who eventually, usually pay with their blood. Think
Dauchau!

Have you been in the stinkhole of Socialism so long you can't smell the
difference any longer? Besides see the difference between Capitalism
and Nazism. You begin to sound like Ward Churchill as well. "We in USA
deserved 9/11!" TnT