Mark H. Bowen wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...

Wolfgang, It's good to know that you not only believe in God, but
know
God so well that you know what and why He thinks something is
funny!
You need to let Mark know that you believe in God, and let him
know how
much God loves you both, and showed you His Love in sending Jesus
to
die for you! That the Blood of Jesus will cleanse you of all your
sins,
and set you free from Satan, death, and the grave. Then you both
will
have something to really rejoice in! TnT

And you need to know that Satan is waitin' for r.b.p.'s only
SinisterMinister.

Satan loves ya Tommy, you know that, right.

I pray to Satan, for you, each and every night. Satan has told me
that you
are on his short list, just behind George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, so
you're
in good company.

Love and Kisses from the Dark Lord,

Mark

Mark, I found a link you should find interesting!

http://tinyurl.com/5amyy

God loves you, and sets the captive free, by the Blood of the Lamb, and
the testimony of God's Faithfulness. TnT

Tink, I really don't want to get into this with you. Your input on
transporting a kayak, building a rack etc indicates that you are, on
these matters, anything but hebetudinous.

On the topic of religion, however, all bets are off.

So, keeping in mind that I don't want to get into this with you, I ask
you to read this link you recommended and tell me if there aren't at
least a half dozen points made therein that are positively spooky.
Case in point: "It doesn't matter how old you are or how many bad
things that you have done in your life including lying and stealing all
the way up to murder."

Now that's just plain WRONG.

Not wrong because forgiveness is wrong, but wrong because IMHO, it
gives licence to all sorts of kooks to do all sorts of nasty deeds (I
bring up, one more time, nutbars flying planes into office buildings --
these guys had their own version of JC). "What the hell, I'll do
whatever I want, then spout off some mumbo-jumbo and all is OK again."

WRONG!

OK, Tink, I really don't want to get into this with you. Let's get back
to building my roofrack.

Cheers,
frtzw906

BCITORGB wrote:
Tink, I really don't want to get into this with you. Your input on
transporting a kayak, building a rack etc indicates that you are, on
these matters, anything but hebetudinous.

On the topic of religion, however, all bets are off.

So, keeping in mind that I don't want to get into this with you, I
ask
you to read this link you recommended and tell me if there aren't at
least a half dozen points made therein that are positively spooky.
Case in point: "It doesn't matter how old you are or how many bad
things that you have done in your life including lying and stealing
all
the way up to murder."

Now that's just plain WRONG.

Not wrong because forgiveness is wrong, but wrong because IMHO, it
gives licence to all sorts of kooks to do all sorts of nasty deeds (I
bring up, one more time, nutbars flying planes into office buildings
--
these guys had their own version of JC). "What the hell, I'll do
whatever I want, then spout off some mumbo-jumbo and all is OK
again."

WRONG!

OK, Tink, I really don't want to get into this with you. Let's get
back
to building my roofrack.

Cheers,
frtzw906

Frtzw, I did not expect to see you pick up this link that was meant for
Mark! I found the competition by Ron, in this NG, interesting. It seems
that there is an invasion from ROFF going on with a bunch of new faces
showing up on the RPG. Since Ron usually is posting at least over
there, I wanted Mark to feel at home. I just wanted to acommodate them
both actually.

I, in my exploring did not find that Ron was ever interested in fly-
fishing, though I will say on Marks part I did see that he did fly-fish
as well as troll. On a fishing forum you would think that it is alright
to troll. Trolling requires a boat, so I suppose that trolling on a
boating forum should be OK as well.

But then Ron is a Fisher of Men, so maybe he does qualify on the
fishing forum as well. And Peter fished from a boat, so Ron may also
qualify for the boating forum.

So I stand corrected, both qualify here and abroad. Though what both
appear to be selling is not what I am interested in either, so I
basically have ignored them both.

So we can still look forward to our little chats, about boats and
faith. I prefer the personal approach, to enjoying life. A website
just seems a little cold and impersonal. That is sort of like fixing
something with a ten pound sledge, that needed a more delicate touch! I
hope some of you can appreciate my more delicate touch, I only use a
five pound sledge! TnT

Tink opines:
=============
So we can still look forward to our little chats, about boats and
faith. I prefer the personal approach, to enjoying life. A website
just seems a little cold and impersonal. That is sort of like fixing
something with a ten pound sledge, that needed a more delicate touch! I
hope some of you can appreciate my more delicate touch, I only use a
five pound sledge!
=============

I'm confused. What are you trying to say?

frtzw906

BCITORGB wrote:
Tink opines:
=============
So we can still look forward to our little chats, about boats and
faith. I prefer the personal approach, to enjoying life. A website
just seems a little cold and impersonal. That is sort of like fixing
something with a ten pound sledge, that needed a more delicate touch!
I
hope some of you can appreciate my more delicate touch, I only use a
five pound sledge!
=============

I'm confused. What are you trying to say?

frtzw906

It's like this, I appreciate our conversations. The stimulation is
good, and it forces me to consider some issues and how my faith applies
to them in the market place of life. Not that you necessarily get me to
change my mind, or vice versus. But I have to freshen up my faith and
the expression of it. I hope that it has been stimulating to you as
well.

Rest assured that this is one of the main differences I feel between
what I am saying, and what is usually passed off as religion (visa-vis
Ron's approach), and which I believe KMAN and others have such a
viseral reaction too. I am not looking for converts! Let me say that
again, I am not looking for converts!!!! or to get you to join a
church, or give money anywhere to anything or anybody. I could care
less if you ever get babtized, or who you hold hands with, and for how
long.

The scriptures say, some plant, some water, but God gives the increase.
This means to me that I can and should talk about my faith and the hope
I have, but whether you choose to believe me, or not is between you and
God! I do not need you to sign up, show hands, or say anything to me
about what your relationship to God is now, or in the future.

This takes all the pressure off me to get you to convert, and I can
actually accept you as a fellow traveler on the road of life. You like
to paddle, I like to paddle. You ride bikes, I ride bikes. I am sure
that we could find all sorts of areas of similar likes and dislikes.
Some can separate us, some could bring us together, I prefer to find
things that we can mutually agree on.

I want you to know where I stand on the matter of faith, which I expect
you have a pretty good idea, and so now we can go paddle and have a
good time. I won't pull any punches if confronted, but I won't use a 10
lb sledge either.

The passage that I shared with you, was of the Apostle Paul teaching
the Christians in Colossi. Very little of the scriptures is directed
at unbelievers. I do not believe the scriptures were given inorder to
make believers out of unbelivers. If you don't believe the scriptures
are the Word of God, I could try to prove to you with 10,000
scriptures, and it would not make any difference. 99% of Paul's
teaching and of the other Apostles' in the scriptures was directed at
Christians, telling them to straighten up their act. I have big
problems with those who would preach or proselytize using the
scriptures to gain converts, so that they can build bigger churches,
and buy fancier cars and houses and all the other stuff that some do.

Not that I am not suppose to share with you why I believe what I
believe, but only when you ask. I am not trying to prove to you
anything, or to get you to convert, I just share why I believe what I
believe. What you do with it is up to you and God. If you don't do
anything with it for what ever your reason are, those are your reason,
which are not necessarily any of my business unless you choose to share
them with me. That is your choice.

And then we can still work on building your rack, and then go paddling,
and have a good time! With some pizza and beer afterwards! Though I
probably won't hold your hand, or even give you that kiss I've been
threatening you with! Now that's putting it delicately! TnT

Tink recommends pizza and beer:
==============
What you do with it is up to you and God. If you don't do
anything with it for what ever your reason are, those are your reason,
which are not necessarily any of my business unless you choose to share
them with me. That is your choice.

And then we can still work on building your rack, and then go paddling,
and have a good time! With some pizza and beer afterwards!
===============

I'll drink to that! Cheers!

frtzw906

BCITORGB wrote:
Tink recommends pizza and beer:
==============
What you do with it is up to you and God. If you don't do
anything with it for what ever your reason are, those are your
reason,
which are not necessarily any of my business unless you choose to
share
them with me. That is your choice.

And then we can still work on building your rack, and then go
paddling,
and have a good time! With some pizza and beer afterwards!
===============

I'll drink to that! Cheers!

frtzw906

Doesn't sound like you are so confused now! Or at least, when you talk
about P&B, that makes the confusion not be so important! TnT

Tink, my confusion was about the "cold, impersonal website" etc etc...
I didn't know where you were coming from.... still don't

frtzw906

BCITORGB wrote:
Tink, my confusion was about the "cold, impersonal website" etc
etc...
I didn't know where you were coming from.... still don't

frtzw906

Did you check out Ron's website? What was your impression? TnT

in article , Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/19/05 9:22 PM:


BCITORGB wrote:
Tink opines:
=============
So we can still look forward to our little chats, about boats and
faith. I prefer the personal approach, to enjoying life. A website
just seems a little cold and impersonal. That is sort of like fixing
something with a ten pound sledge, that needed a more delicate touch!
I
hope some of you can appreciate my more delicate touch, I only use a
five pound sledge!
=============

I'm confused. What are you trying to say?

frtzw906

It's like this, I appreciate our conversations. The stimulation is
good, and it forces me to consider some issues and how my faith applies
to them in the market place of life. Not that you necessarily get me to
change my mind, or vice versus. But I have to freshen up my faith and
the expression of it. I hope that it has been stimulating to you as
well.

Rest assured that this is one of the main differences I feel between
what I am saying, and what is usually passed off as religion (visa-vis
Ron's approach), and which I believe KMAN and others have such a
viseral reaction too.

First off, it is "visceral." Secondly, my "reaction" to religion is not
visceral, but rather based on obvservation and reasoned conclusions about
the functioning of religious belief systems and their real world impact on
human beings.

A very standard dictionary definition of religion is:

"Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as
creator and governor of the universe; a personal or institutionalized system
grounded in such belief and worship."

It seems to me that your god blather fits this definition rather perfectly,
Tinkerntom. So I'm not sure why you think your religious belief system is
somehow disctinct from "what is usually passed off as religion."