wrote in message
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NO boater in the
group buys into your BS.

*********



Actual boaters usually have an interest in the opinions that other
people hold about boating related issues. That's one reason they would
visit a boating related discussion group You non boating characters are
only interested in any statement or opinion that gives you a foothold
for picking fight, which is the sole reason you visit a boating
discussion group.


Just curious Chuck. Do you actually believe that one has to own a boat to
be a boater? That seems to be your mindset, along with several others in
this NG.

Does past ownership count? Does "x" number of years of boating experience
count? Does continued boating on boats not owned count?

Does one have to boat on the ocean to fit your definition of a boater?

And exactly what is your definition of a boat? Is it any vessel capable of
floating while carrying a person aboard? Or does it have to be a custom
made 36 foot Lobster boat?

You seem to have a narrow minded view of how a boater is defined.

Lastly, as far as OT posts, I believe you would score in the top percentage
each and every month. The fact that you throw in some spam boat review once
in a while makes it OK?

Looks like what is good for the goose is not good for the gander....eh
Chucky?

hurtwit inquired:

(disclosure, much of his post snipped- this was the operative point. He
will bitch that I didn't copy over his personal insults, but
tough.).....

Just curious Chuck. Do you actually believe that one has to own a boat
to
be a boater? That seems to be your mindset, along with several others
in
this NG.

Does past ownership count? Does "x" number of years of boating
experience
count? Does continued boating on boats not owned count?


Does one have to boat on the ocean to fit your definition of a boater?


And exactly what is your definition of a boat? Is it any vessel
capable of
floating while carrying a person aboard? Or does it have to be a
custom
made 36 foot Lobster boat?

************************************************** **

Let's begin with the observation that if a "boater" were participating
in a boating discussion group, at least some of that person's posts
would be about boating. In two or three years, under
Dennis Compton, JimH, and all the other screen names in between you
have made what, 4, 5, 6 (maybe) boating related posts? Vs. 4,5,6
personal attack posts almost every day.

Boat ownership isn't critical. Lots of people charter once or twice a
year, and one could argue that they are "boaters". A lot of boat owners
don't get out that much more than charter boaters do..........but, the
key difference is that they have an interest in boating.

I do not call you a non-boater simply because you don't currently own a
boat. You sold your Maxum (I believe it was) when your wife's health
declined. If we can all hope that her health improves, perhaps you'll
own a boat again some day. When you participate in the NG, you discuss
people- not boats. For example, if you disagree with something I
express as an observation or an opinion you never raise a counter
argument or post a contrasting opinion on the same item, you simply
start spreading crap about hundred dollar bills being stuffed through
my mailbox, etc. You make no pretense about having any boating
knowledge.

Who was it that posted, jut over a year ago, that they only came to
rec.boats to cause trouble and saved their "serious" boating discussion
for other forums? Look in the mirror. You have admitted that you see
your role here is to be as destructive as you can.

You're not a boater because you have never expressed a serious interest
in boating.

No, you don't have to boat "on the ocean" to be a boater.

No, you don't have to own a lobster boat.

Any vessel that will keep you afloat in the water could be loosely
defined as a boat. (or at least a raft). :-)

We can only call 'em as we see 'em. You never post anything about
boating, therefore it is safe to assume you are not a boater. Wouldn't
matter if you had six of them sitting in your driveway, or whether you
took a charter cruise on an annual basis. If you were a boater, you'd
demonstrate an interest in the subject and some ability to discuss or
debate issues rather than
constantly pump your poison pen.

wrote in message
oups.com...
hurtwit inquired:

(disclosure, much of his post snipped- this was the operative point. He
will bitch that I didn't copy over his personal insults, but
tough.).....

Just curious Chuck. Do you actually believe that one has to own a boat
to
be a boater? That seems to be your mindset, along with several others
in
this NG.

Does past ownership count? Does "x" number of years of boating
experience
count? Does continued boating on boats not owned count?


Does one have to boat on the ocean to fit your definition of a boater?


And exactly what is your definition of a boat? Is it any vessel
capable of
floating while carrying a person aboard? Or does it have to be a
custom
made 36 foot Lobster boat?

************************************************** **

Let's begin with the observation that if a "boater" were participating
in a boating discussion group, at least some of that person's posts
would be about boating. In two or three years, under
Dennis Compton, JimH, and all the other screen names in between you
have made what, 4, 5, 6 (maybe) boating related posts? Vs. 4,5,6
personal attack posts almost every day.


Wrong. I have made about as many on topic boating related posts as you
have.

As far as personal attacks and OT postings, you remain in 3rd place behind
Basskisser and Krause.


Boat ownership isn't critical. Lots of people charter once or twice a
year, and one could argue that they are "boaters". A lot of boat owners
don't get out that much more than charter boaters do..........but, the
key difference is that they have an interest in boating.

As I do and most folks in this NG.


I do not call you a non-boater simply because you don't currently own a
boat. You sold your Maxum (I believe it was) when your wife's health
declined. If we can all hope that her health improves, perhaps you'll
own a boat again some day.

Her health is not improving. But I will be purchasing a smaller boat (the
Maxum was 35 LOA) when we purchase our retirement house on the water.


When you participate in the NG, you discuss
people- not boats. For example, if you disagree with something I
express as an observation or an opinion you never raise a counter
argument or post a contrasting opinion on the same item, you simply
start spreading crap about hundred dollar bills being stuffed through
my mailbox, etc. You make no pretense about having any boating
knowledge.

As you often do. Just because I don't write a multi paragraph 1,000 word
essay does not mean my point was not expressed properly.



Who was it that posted, jut over a year ago, that they only came to
rec.boats to cause trouble and saved their "serious" boating discussion
for other forums? Look in the mirror.

I was half kidding as you and many others here seem to do that very thing.


You have admitted that you see
your role here is to be as destructive as you can.

Really? I don't think so.

You're not a boater because you have never expressed a serious interest
in boating.

Sure I have, many times.


No, you don't have to boat "on the ocean" to be a boater.

Good.


No, you don't have to own a lobster boat.


Good.


Any vessel that will keep you afloat in the water could be loosely
defined as a boat. (or at least a raft). :-)

Well, I guess I am not boatless then as I still have an Achilles and motor
in the attic.



We can only call 'em as we see 'em. You never post anything about
boating, therefore it is safe to assume you are not a boater.

Not true. You just did not bother to look.

Wouldn't
matter if you had six of them sitting in your driveway, or whether you
took a charter cruise on an annual basis. If you were a boater, you'd
demonstrate an interest in the subject and some ability to discuss or
debate issues rather than
constantly pump your poison pen.


Pot-kettle-black.

JimH protested:

Wrong. I have made about as many on topic boating related posts as you

have.

*******************

Hate to break this to you, but look up your posting history in Google.
The archives are not your friend when you make this claim.

"Gould is a lying asshole" is not a boating related post, even if
interjected into a boating related thread. "Harry is a lying asshole"
doesn't count, either, nor do attacks on jps, basskisser, or any of
your other prefered victims.

I am not saying that you don't participate in boating related threads,
only that you do not participate with any boating related comments or
content. That's an unassailable fact.
Prove me wrong by listing several examples of posts you have made
regarding boating issues, (where those posts are not merely serving as
a vehicle for name calling and personal attack), rather than by simply
denying the painfully obvious. Sadly, you cannot, and if you respond to
this challenge it will be with some witty phrase like "pot, kettle,
black". :-(

You claim to have an interest in boats or boating, but actions speak
louder than words and yours indicate only an interest in lobbing insult
and seeking personal confrontations. Hey, everybody has to have a
hobby. Yours is plainly evident. No big deal, but why make a pretense
that your behavior is the fault of someone else, justified by something
somebody else does, and better or worse than the behavior of another
participant? It's not unreasonable to assume you are putting your best
foot forward- and from a boating perspective nobody could possibly be
even taking note, let alone impressed.

Love to stick around and chat, but coffee break's over and I need to
get back to work. There's a severe shortage of hundred dollar bills in
this morning's mail, and If I'm going to buy up the rest of your
neighborhood I'll have to write 2-3 more reviews. :-)

wrote in message
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JimH protested:

Wrong. I have made about as many on topic boating related posts as you

have.

*******************

Hate to break this to you, but look up your posting history in Google.
The archives are not your friend when you make this claim.

"Gould is a lying asshole" is not a boating related post, even if
interjected into a boating related thread. "Harry is a lying asshole"
doesn't count, either, nor do attacks on jps, basskisser, or any of
your other prefered victims.

I am not saying that you don't participate in boating related threads,
only that you do not participate with any boating related comments or
content. That's an unassailable fact.
Prove me wrong by listing several examples of posts you have made
regarding boating issues, (where those posts are not merely serving as
a vehicle for name calling and personal attack), rather than by simply
denying the painfully obvious. Sadly, you cannot, and if you respond to
this challenge it will be with some witty phrase like "pot, kettle,
black". :-(

You claim to have an interest in boats or boating, but actions speak
louder than words and yours indicate only an interest in lobbing insult
and seeking personal confrontations. Hey, everybody has to have a
hobby. Yours is plainly evident. No big deal, but why make a pretense
that your behavior is the fault of someone else, justified by something
somebody else does, and better or worse than the behavior of another
participant? It's not unreasonable to assume you are putting your best
foot forward- and from a boating perspective nobody could possibly be
even taking note, let alone impressed.

Love to stick around and chat, but coffee break's over and I need to
get back to work. There's a severe shortage of hundred dollar bills in
this morning's mail, and If I'm going to buy up the rest of your
neighborhood I'll have to write 2-3 more reviews. :-)



Chuck's rule #2. No discussions of people...just boats. Broken.

Chuck's rule #4. No personal attacks. Broken.

BTW: Let's see if you can live by your own rules now. I summarized them
for you:

1. No name calling. You can start by dropping the childish change of my
last name.
2. No dicussions of people...just boats. No politics. No religion. No
union talk.
3. Serious boating discussion only. No joking around about anything
related to boats. You must remain focussed and serious.
4. No personal attacks. I don't want to hear "but Mom, he started it".

Now that we have that straight let me say a couple of more things.

One can be a boater yet not want to constantly participate in boating only
discussions in a remote boating NG. If a topic is not of interest why
participate in it? Do you just talk boats 24/7 Chuck?

I have seen boating topics being discussed ad nauseum. I have seen boating
topics discussed here that turned into nothing but name calling and personal
attacks. Boating was still being discussed so I guess that is acceptable to
you.

You don't set the rules nor dictate them to me. I do hope, however, that
*you* start following the rules you have now set.

ROTFLMAO.

Hurtwit the hypocrite hit his stride just after the ecstacy kicked in
and wrote:

BTW: Let's see if you can live by your own rules now. I summarized
them
for you:


1. No name calling. You can start by dropping the childish change of
my
last name.
2. No dicussions of people...just boats. No politics. No religion.
No
union talk.
3. Serious boating discussion only. No joking around about anything
related to boats. You must remain focussed and serious.
4. No personal attacks. I don't want to hear "but Mom, he started
it".


Now that we have that straight let me say a couple of more things.


One can be a boater yet not want to constantly participate in boating
only
discussions in a remote boating NG. If a topic is not of interest why

participate in it? Do you just talk boats 24/7 Chuck?


I have seen boating topics being discussed ad nauseum. I have seen
boating
topics discussed here that turned into nothing but name calling and
personal
attacks. Boating was still being discussed so I guess that is
acceptable to
you.


You don't set the rules nor dictate them to me. I do hope, however,
that
*you* start following the rules you have now set.

************

Responses:

To "BTW:.........." I never set any rules nor proposed any. The last
time we exchanged thoughts on this subject was after I objected to one
of your insulting posts in which you called me a "liar".
Do you recall that your response was "Liar isn't an insult, because I
believe it to be true"? Do you recall that I then reserved the right to
make statements about you, and that the standard shall be that as long
as I sincerely believe them to be true you cannot, in return, complain
about insult? I believe you are of less than average intellect, display
some serious emotional or personality disorders, and show no real
interest or ability to ever participate in this group, (in a
constructive way), in any on-topic discussion. I believe you make every
effort to drag on-topic discussions down to the flame war level so you
can be somehow involved. None of those statements can be considered
insulting, under the terms and definition you advanced when explaing
why calling me a "liar" each time you disagreed with one of my
opionions was not an insult.

To: No name changing....... Sorry hurtwit, take that up with "Chucky."

To: No discussion of politics, unions, religion, etc........I am
willing to discuss any topic that somebody cares to raise. Once in a
while there's a reasonable person on the other end of the argument, but
all too often just somebody trolling for a flame.

To: Serious discussion only..........Why? This pastime is supposed to
be fun. You may find this surprising, but for a lot of people fun
doesn't revolve around being as anti-social and destructive as
possible.

To: NO personal attacks.....Puhleaze. That would shut you down,
completely and immediately.

To: "I don't want to hear "But, Mom, he started it....." don't worry
hurtwit. You won't hear that.There's not one chance in a million I'd
ever confuse you with my Mom.

To: Do I just talk boats 24/7? No. Of course not. But the difference
between us, (and the reason I say you are not a boater), is that I
often do- and can- talk about boats. Well enough that some of my
opinions are controversial.

To: "I have seen boating topics discussed here that turned into nothing
but name calling and personal attacks". I agree. Shall we use the 260
Defiance thread as an example? You have had a very up front and
personal view of boating threads turning into flame wars and exchanges
of personal attacks.

To: ........start following the rules you have now set. Sorry, hurtwit.
I haven't set any rules. I don't expect you to follow any rules,
either, or to post in a civil manner. It would be nice however if you'd
stop wailing and bawling when somebody hands you a bucket load of your
own crap in return.

Be proud of who and what you are. Why pee and moan when people
acknowledge your particular role in the world or "unique" contributions
to a NG? Take a lesson from your new psycophant in this regard, she's
twice as destructive as you are and revels in her glory. :-)

wrote in message
oups.com...
ROTFLMAO.

Hurtwit the hypocrite hit his stride just after the ecstacy kicked in
and wrote:

BTW: Let's see if you can live by your own rules now. I summarized
them
for you:


1. No name calling. You can start by dropping the childish change of
my
last name.
2. No dicussions of people...just boats. No politics. No religion.
No
union talk.
3. Serious boating discussion only. No joking around about anything
related to boats. You must remain focussed and serious.
4. No personal attacks. I don't want to hear "but Mom, he started
it".


Now that we have that straight let me say a couple of more things.


One can be a boater yet not want to constantly participate in boating
only
discussions in a remote boating NG. If a topic is not of interest why

participate in it? Do you just talk boats 24/7 Chuck?


I have seen boating topics being discussed ad nauseum. I have seen
boating
topics discussed here that turned into nothing but name calling and
personal
attacks. Boating was still being discussed so I guess that is
acceptable to
you.


You don't set the rules nor dictate them to me. I do hope, however,
that
*you* start following the rules you have now set.

************

Responses:

To "BTW:.........." I never set any rules nor proposed any. The last
time we exchanged thoughts on this subject was after I objected to one
of your insulting posts in which you called me a "liar".
Do you recall that your response was "Liar isn't an insult, because I
believe it to be true"? Do you recall that I then reserved the right to
make statements about you, and that the standard shall be that as long
as I sincerely believe them to be true you cannot, in return, complain
about insult? I believe you are of less than average intellect, display
some serious emotional or personality disorders, and show no real
interest or ability to ever participate in this group, (in a
constructive way), in any on-topic discussion. I believe you make every
effort to drag on-topic discussions down to the flame war level so you
can be somehow involved. None of those statements can be considered
insulting, under the terms and definition you advanced when explaing
why calling me a "liar" each time you disagreed with one of my
opionions was not an insult.

To: No name changing....... Sorry hurtwit, take that up with "Chucky."

To: No discussion of politics, unions, religion, etc........I am
willing to discuss any topic that somebody cares to raise. Once in a
while there's a reasonable person on the other end of the argument, but
all too often just somebody trolling for a flame.

To: Serious discussion only..........Why? This pastime is supposed to
be fun. You may find this surprising, but for a lot of people fun
doesn't revolve around being as anti-social and destructive as
possible.

To: NO personal attacks.....Puhleaze. That would shut you down,
completely and immediately.

To: "I don't want to hear "But, Mom, he started it....." don't worry
hurtwit. You won't hear that.There's not one chance in a million I'd
ever confuse you with my Mom.

To: Do I just talk boats 24/7? No. Of course not. But the difference
between us, (and the reason I say you are not a boater), is that I
often do- and can- talk about boats. Well enough that some of my
opinions are controversial.

To: "I have seen boating topics discussed here that turned into nothing
but name calling and personal attacks". I agree. Shall we use the 260
Defiance thread as an example? You have had a very up front and
personal view of boating threads turning into flame wars and exchanges
of personal attacks.

To: ........start following the rules you have now set. Sorry, hurtwit.
I haven't set any rules. I don't expect you to follow any rules,
either, or to post in a civil manner. It would be nice however if you'd
stop wailing and bawling when somebody hands you a bucket load of your
own crap in return.

Be proud of who and what you are. Why pee and moan when people
acknowledge your particular role in the world or "unique" contributions
to a NG? Take a lesson from your new psycophant in this regard, she's
twice as destructive as you are and revels in her glory. :-)


Chuck Gould posted the following rules on 2/10/05 at 2:10 p.m. est in
rec.boats. I added some personal observations in parenthesis:



Chuck's rule #1. No name calling. (You can start by dropping the childish
change of my
last name.)



Chuck's rule #2. No discussions about people No politics. No religion.
No
union talk. No talk about war. Boat talk only.


Chuck's rule #3. Serious boating discussion only. No joking around about
anything
related to boats or anything else. One must remain focused and serious when
discussing boating.


Chuck's rule #4. No personal attacks. (I don't want to hear "but Mom, he
started it".)



Chuck's rule #5. A contributor to rec.boats is rated only on the percentage
of boating related topics he/she contributes to the NG. In order to be
considered a contributor one must be 100% on topic with no side bars on non
related items. See rule #3. Chuck Gould will be the ultimate judge as to
ones rating.



Chuck has failed to live by his own rules.



A real shame as he was once a great contributor to this NG.

"JimH" wrote in message
...



A real shame as he was once a great contributor to this NG.

Isn't he long overdue for another sabbatical?

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"JimH" wrote in message
...



A real shame as he was once a great contributor to this NG.

Isn't he long overdue for another sabbatical?


Yep. Time for him to pick up his ball and bat and run home to Mommy again
like he did a year or two ago. If I recall correctly he threatened never
to return again......yet he did, and with a vengeance.

He is once again showing all the signs of being over the edge. Perhaps
Krause's wife could offer an on line diagnosis of his problems.

Something to note: He is not following the rules he set this afternoon at
2:10 p.m. est. I added some personal observations in parenthesis:


Chuck's rule #1. No name calling. (You can start by dropping the childish
change of my
last name.)



Chuck's rule #2. No discussions about people No politics. No religion.
No
union talk. No talk about war. Boat talk only.


Chuck's rule #3. Serious boating discussion only. No joking around about
anything
related to boats or anything else. One must remain focused and serious when
discussing boating.


Chuck's rule #4. No personal attacks. (I don't want to hear "but Mom, he
started it".)



Chuck's rule #5. A contributor to rec.boats is rated only on the percentage
of boating related topics he/she contributes to the NG. In order to be
considered a contributor one must be 100% on topic with no side bars on non
related items. See rule #3. Chuck Gould will be the ultimate judge as to
ones rating.


Chuck has broken all his rules several times today. He has been a bad boy.

Personal note to Chuck: Take a break from this NG. It would be the best
thing for you.;-)