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Hurtwit wrote:

Do you have to fight with everyone Chuck?

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What fight?

I simply marveled that we would have two guys named Bill Kiene in
rec.boats. One of them condemns political posting on the same day the
other one makes disparaging remarks about liberal democrats elsewhere
on the site. How is that a fight? Check it out..it's a fact. Obviously
we have two Bill Kiene's, or a flip flopping hypocrite that would put a
lot of others to shame. I prefer to believe, as I posted, that there
are two of them. That's not a fight.

I only fight with a guy who spent his first 6-8 months posting under
the name Dennis Compton, and being so obnoxious that 90% of the group
was ticked off at that person for his behavior.
When the prick had his fill of annoying everybody, he then posted that
he had been lying all along, he didn't really own a boat, and that he
was a graduate student at some college someplace where he had been
assigned, (as a class project), to get on usenet, be disruptive as
hell, and make notes about the reactions of his unwitting subjects. Of
course, the second lie was the actual lie......no college course, no
graduate student, just a frustrated old middle aged failure with some
emotional issues and a Bayliner for sale. Not all that long ago, the
same guy posted that the only reason he frequents rec.boats is to have
fun by stirring up trouble, and that he reserves his extensive
knowledge about boating, (never in evidence here), for the "real"
boating groups he frequents when he's not stirring up trouble in
rec.boats.

Funny thing is, I'd ignore the loser completely if he didn't follow me
around like a goofy little puppy dog. He has some sick emotional need
to get abused every day, and we liberals do believe in helping the
needy. :-)

If you run into this guy someplace, tell him what I said. Thanks.


Looks like it is about time for you to pick up you bat and ball and run home
to mommy.......you know, take a break from the NG like you did a year or so
ago when you started showing the same freaking signs of losing control of
yourself.

Give it a try Chucky....you are about ready to lose it completely.

On 7 Feb 2005 09:46:29 -0800, "Greg"
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


I haven't read the book, but what would make an inflatable life raft
undesirable?

Compact, easy to store, designed to float to the surface, provide
shelter from the elements and are reasonably tough.

What's not to like?

Part of the problem was caused by his extended stay, obviously.
But the waves really pounded him, at times even folding the raft. It
took on water pretty easy, which led to sal****er sores/ulcers. He had
to daily reinflate the raft, which once hunger set in, became a more
critical issue.
The canopy waterproofing wore off - more water. A fish he speared
ripped the bottom tube, which he was able to patch and reinflate. And
the worst was the fish biting and sharks hitting him thru the bottom.
He was pretty much in constant fear of a shark biting thru the raft -
especially when the bottom tube was punctured and his feet extended an
obvious distance below the raft.
Again, some of this was definitely due to the 76 days before rescue
(1800 miles later near Guadeloupe).
But I could see the wildwife and swamping by waves a serious issue for
shorter stays. This was in 1982. Maybe current rafts do a better job?

I recommend the book, very good read.

I'll just say this - it kept him afloat and alive didn't it?

'Nuff said. :)

I've never had the oppotunity to live in one for even a couple of
days, but I think I'd rather have one than not.

I'll look the book up - thanks for the info.

Later,

Tom

Got some nice boating-related posts for us, fellas?
Yep - see below.

Go with the smallest compass. Your GPS duplicates most of your compass
functions. I have just the small standard compass on my Parker, and I
carry a small bearing compass in my waterproof box.

True but I still have a habit of following a heading and the eyes
aren't what they used to be. :-) My main concern will be stability - I
hate a compass that swings while underway.

Nice rig, by the way. SeaPro makes some good value boats.

Thanks - we looked at a bunch of brands at the boat show and Sea Pro
seemed to offer more of the features we wanted at the best price. A
test ride was comforting - nice ride in pretty good chop and no spray
- even quartering into the wind (but I'm sure I'll soon find a
combination to get us soaked).

Now, on to something that I find curious. Why the jackplate on a 21
foot bay boat?

I have a 20 foot 200 C Ranger

http://www.swsports.org/images/Ranger.JPG

Good looking rig

that has a good running solid performing FICHT which had a jackplate
on it when I purchased it. I got rid of it after about a month -
totally useless.. If you are looking for shallow water operations,
that's that the trolling motor is for - in particular if you have the
24 volt. You probably had a jackplate on that Cajun and that's
probably useful in that application, but on a bay boat?

The bay where we bought our place is very shallow and most boats use
hydraulic jack plates to raise the engine to motor out of shallows and
get on plane without digging so much mud. Once on plane you can lower
the engine back to running depth. Supposedly this boat will get on
plane in about 18 - 20" of water - jack plate and trim tabs are
supposed to reduce that by 4-6" - we'll soon see if that's true. Never
had one on the Cajun nor needed it. Toledo Bend is a pretty deep lake
for the most part and a set depth worked fine for me. I guess you
could optimize your speed but it went plenty fast for me.

And while I'm on the subject, don't buy a Motoguide Great White series
trolling motor. Mercury does not support Motoguide in any sense of
the word, they violate warranty terms and the new digital control
boards are prone to fail - it's a horrible design. Almost as bad as
the older switched design. Buy a MinnKota Riptide series instead.

Glad to know that - I'll keep that in mind when I get ready.

Nice boat though.

Thanks - looking forward to getting it wet.

Later,

Tom

JimH wrote:
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Hurtwit wrote:

Do you have to fight with everyone Chuck?

****************************************

What fight?

I simply marveled that we would have two guys named Bill Kiene in
rec.boats. One of them condemns political posting on the same day the
other one makes disparaging remarks about liberal democrats elsewhere
on the site. How is that a fight? Check it out..it's a fact. Obviously
we have two Bill Kiene's, or a flip flopping hypocrite that would put a
lot of others to shame. I prefer to believe, as I posted, that there
are two of them. That's not a fight.

I only fight with a guy who spent his first 6-8 months posting under
the name Dennis Compton, and being so obnoxious that 90% of the group
was ticked off at that person for his behavior.
When the prick had his fill of annoying everybody, he then posted that
he had been lying all along, he didn't really own a boat, and that he
was a graduate student at some college someplace where he had been
assigned, (as a class project), to get on usenet, be disruptive as
hell, and make notes about the reactions of his unwitting subjects. Of
course, the second lie was the actual lie......no college course, no
graduate student, just a frustrated old middle aged failure with some
emotional issues and a Bayliner for sale. Not all that long ago, the
same guy posted that the only reason he frequents rec.boats is to have
fun by stirring up trouble, and that he reserves his extensive
knowledge about boating, (never in evidence here), for the "real"
boating groups he frequents when he's not stirring up trouble in
rec.boats.

Funny thing is, I'd ignore the loser completely if he didn't follow me
around like a goofy little puppy dog. He has some sick emotional need
to get abused every day, and we liberals do believe in helping the
needy. :-)

If you run into this guy someplace, tell him what I said. Thanks.



Looks like it is about time for you to pick up you bat and ball and run home
to mommy.......you know, take a break from the NG like you did a year or so
ago when you started showing the same freaking signs of losing control of
yourself.

Give it a try Chucky....you are about ready to lose it completely.



Yep I agree; sod off Chuckster:-) You've even spun this anti OT thread
to politics you sad sack of rotting barnacles.

You only make OT posts or deceptive marketing spam anyway so do
yourself & us a favour hey???

I notice you couldn't choose between admitting you're a total boating
incompetent or just bent; so hey you chose both!!!:-)

K


& the Krause lie of the day is ????

So I hate to dwell on the Hatt 43 (well OK I don't really "hate" it:-))
but in a hurry & this only takes a second, the arguments over the Hatt
went on for ages, fake photo being posted the "sudden" disposal when a
couple of NG people were about to expose him, then eventually just to
absolutely confirm it was nothing but a liar's BS like all his other
"boating" claims his only answer was he "chose" not to post a real pic.
The lowest of the low liars is our own Krause;-)


The photo was genuine. I certainly can "provide" a photo of what you
refer to as "get home." But, as I responded previously, I choose not
to do so.

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 02:30:32 GMT, (Tom)
wrote:


~~ snippage ~~

The bay where we bought our place is very shallow and most boats use
hydraulic jack plates to raise the engine to motor out of shallows and
get on plane without digging so much mud. Once on plane you can lower
the engine back to running depth. Supposedly this boat will get on
plane in about 18 - 20" of water - jack plate and trim tabs are
supposed to reduce that by 4-6" - we'll soon see if that's true. Never
had one on the Cajun nor needed it. Toledo Bend is a pretty deep lake
for the most part and a set depth worked fine for me. I guess you
could optimize your speed but it went plenty fast for me.

The Ranger won't do that. I need at least a couple of feet. That may
be due to the set back design of the transom.

I'd still be very wary of trying to run a boat at speed in that kind
of water.

As to getting wet - trust me, you will get wet in these type boats.
It's a fact of life that bay boat producers don't want to admit. :)

Have fun. Let us know how that jack plate deal works out.

Later,

Tom

Do you have a modified nosecone on that new outboard? Have you checked
Bob's Machine Shop?

Nope - but that looks interesting. I'll keep these in mind if I have a
pick up problem.

The Ranger won't do that. I need at least a couple of feet. That may
be due to the set back design of the transom.

We'll see if this one will. Promises and facts aren't always the same.


I'd still be very wary of trying to run a boat at speed in that kind
of water.

You think running aground at 60 mph could be a problem?? :-)

As to getting wet - trust me, you will get wet in these type boats.
It's a fact of life that bay boat producers don't want to admit. :)

No doubt. My Mako was pretty dry but I found several combinations of
wind/waves that managed to soak me. Doubt there's a boat made that
won't get you wet at some time - I had a friend on an aircraft carrier
who claimed they took spray over the bow in a bad storm.

Have fun. Let us know how that jack plate deal works out.

Will do - if they ever finish the boat. :-)

Later,

Tom

My friend Karen wrote:

Yep I agree; sod off Chuckster:-) You've even spun this anti OT
thread
to politics you sad sack of rotting barnacles.

You only make OT posts or deceptive marketing spam anyway so do

yourself & us a favour hey???


I notice you couldn't choose between admitting you're a total
boating
incompetent or just bent; so hey you chose both!!!:-)


K


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Oh heck.

Here I was thinking about taking another sabbatical, but you and your
fellow poison pen, (Hurtwit the Hypocrite) have now made that
impossible.

As you are both ordering me out of the group, I guess I better stick
around rather than appear to comply with your demands. I'll see if I
can increase my product reviews, etc, just especially for you. :-)

You criticize my contributions. I'll proudly compare them to yours or
Hurtwit the Hypocrite's any day. When was the last time you posted
anything that was not a long personal attack, on somebody, disguised as
a disagreement about a technical point?

Hurtwit the Hypocrite at least has the integrity to avoid any pretense
that he is capable of discussing boats or boating, or that he is here
to do anything except behave in a destructive manner,,,,(and has
admitted the same).

You're a joke, Smith. A very sick joke. You can't make a post about
anyting without turning 2/3 of it into a harangue on Harry Krause- and
then you have the balls
(you probably do) to complain that people post OT. When was the last
time you contributed anything to the group except spite, insult, and
bile? How many years, and years, and years has it been?